MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb

(public draft)

I've notice several people mentioning something like "Matz is nice and
so we are nice" (MINASWAN).

MINASWAN - Sounds like Japanese.

Japanese, like Mr. Yukihiro Matsumoto (Matz), the ruby language
designer is.

···

-

And so I started wondering about this here:

MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb

-

If "Matz" would act like a Moron (in context of language-design),
would this mean that the "We's" would act like moron's, too?

An example:

If Mr. Matsumoto applies "Design by Egoism", then he is "Dumb" (in
context of language-design, not as an individual of course).

The reasoning is simple:

you cannot design a consistent OO language if you apply "Design by
Egoism". If you ignore logic and reason, just because it happens that
you have some warm feelings for a construct (or person), and cold
feelings for another one, then you apply "Design by Egoism". And this
will slowly degrade the language.

If the so called "We's" (whatever this is) would follow this paradigm,
then they would be "dumb", too - (again, in context of language-
design, not as individuals of course).

Does Mr. Matsumoto apply "Design by Egoism"? - I am not sure yet,
although some issues indicate this. [1]

It's his language, one will say, he has the right to do so. Well, it's
possibly his language, but there is something more:

Honour!

It's a matter of honour to respect the people which depend on the
language. If the main design goals are directed by Egoism, then soon
or later, the language system will collapse. It will not be able to
withstand the requirements of modern applications, and will slowly
fade away.

It's a matter of honour, to use the "Reality of Logic" for design
decisions, if people depend on you. This can be one small individual,
which feeds his family based on the work with the language. This can
be a large language-subsystem, like a web-framework implemented on top
of the language.

-

Rails.

Ruby on Rails has brought many people to ruby. It pop's around in my
mind as "The Windows 3.1x of Web-Development-Frameworks". I don't know
exactly why.

Now, it seems that the "Ruby on Rails" framework has raised the
requirements to the language system ruby. It seems that it tries to
achieve more than ruby can provide. The possible reasons are:

* Rails is so powerful
* Rails is badly designed
* The designer has simply chosen the wrong language to place "on
Rails".

What is clear is, that this framework *requires* much from ruby - and
the Main Ruby Implementation (MRI, Matsumutos Ruby Implementation)
starts buckling.

Several new interpreters "pop out of nowhere". There's a "professional
edition" of ruby, other companies implement specialized versions with
new garbage-collectors, and who knows how many "hidden" ones. Others
make the "scalability dictated" move to the beloved Java Language. And
others take the "in between solution":

Ruby On Java On Rails.

What a contradiction! Shouting on Java, and then using Java as the
foundation to execute the "better" language, JRuby, and the "better"
web-framework. Anyway.

-

Diversity.

People say "Ruby encourages diversity". This is of course nonsense.
The people around ruby always manage to serve a weakness as something
positive, as something special. And this happens sometimes with
professionalism (possible due to the advertisement/design companies/
people which came in touch with ruby).

But I say "Ruby encourages diversity" means in reality "they *fail* to
coordinate efforts into one project". I say that ruby has started to
degrade long time ago, and will continue to degrade, that's why
companies build custom versions of the interpreter.

It's most possibly a matter of "Design by Egoism" - either that of Mr.
Matsumoto's, or that of the "New Implementation of the Ruby Language"
side (or perhaps both). They may should take a look at:

Oracle & IBM & Others - large scale companies, which manage to
cooperate (because they realize they *have* to join efforts). Not that
the eclipse-project is a masterpiece of liberality, but at least there
are processes.

The companies surrounding ruby *fail* to do so. They do not cooperate
efficiently, the do not focus efforts into main-line-ruby, they do not
organize and strengthen the development processes, they to not
criticize and judge in the way they should, to encourage evolution.

In the Ruby and the Rails domain, you see "big" names in the sponsor
list of conferences and events. But you don't see those companies
*collaborate* efficiently where it is most important: on the language
level.

It seems like egoism is valued more the collaborative achievement and
technical excellence. And of course Politics.

Politics everywhere, throughout the language system, an even the
"Rebels" (see e.g. "Rails is a Ghetto") are finally nothing else the
egocentric politicians, which just shouted out stuff when they left -
instead of staying, shouting and fighting when they were part of the
language-system.

This is what ruby is about:

Egoism and Politics.

-

And then this "Community Myth".

I know that the people which write here publicly are *not* the so
called "community".

The population of the language-system "Ruby" consists first of all
from the thousands of users which do *not* write here.

They use the language, e.g. to write glue-code for their applications,
to control a small part of a film-production, a pre-processor, a quick-
prototype or something that I can't even imagine.

They are far to busy to get distracted by writing on public media and
dealing with the...

Freak-Show!

The "freak-show" (a few regulars on a list, which give the impressions
that they *are* the community). A few regulars, which have no sense
for their own limits. And a few spineless followers which have not
personal opinion at all.

A few regulars and some followers, personalities which are weak down
to the bones, which gain strength only in an herd - like hyenas, which
do not respect the *rights* of an individual, the freedom of
expression, the freedom of choice (e.g. to *not* read, to filter) and
which do not realize that they are both, a shame and a *damage* to the
language-system.

-

This is *not* the community. This is just the "Freak-Show", which
every language system has, more or less.

-

Professionals.

So, where are the professionals, which focus on the technical essence
and which know that language-evolution has not much to do with
politics and "freak-shows" or "liking each other" and all this
nonsense?

Professionals which know, that giving to much priority to such values
will degrade the language-system.
Professionals which know, that a major part of core-level software-
development is about analysing and abstracting things.

-

If you like to confirm my sayings, but you don't want to do it
publicly, please feel free to contact me with private email.

-

[1]
Literal Instantiation breaks Object Model
http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/4893

Provide Class#cb_object_instantiated_from_literal(object)
http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/4845

Unify Variable Expansion within Strings
http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/4877

.

--
http://lazaridis.com

Before anyone engages this nonsense . . .

Please don't feed the troll. Seriously. A more obvious troll than this
message from Ilias would be really, really difficult to arrange.
Actually saying anything to him here would be a monumentally bad idea.

···

--
Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]

Actually, unicorns are much smarter than you. Why do you hate unicorns
so much, Ilias?

···

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote:

Unicorns are stupid!

Be aware, people: Ilias has no credentials whatsoever in programming
*or* language design and refuses to provide them when pressed.

If you look about 5 years back in this mailing list's archives, you'll
notice the same behavioural pattern (finding niggles about Ruby, lack
of ability of understanding basic things like inheritance diagrams,
refusing to listen to arguments, finally attacking Matz personally and
the community in general) he is exhibiting now.

Stop humouring him, killfile him. He's an outcast on many, many other
language's mailing lists, already, and one more won't hurt.

···

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote:

[Stuff.]

--
Phillip Gawlowski

A method of solution is perfect if we can forsee from the start,
and even prove, that following that method we shall attain our aim.
-- Leibnitz

A quick, lazy response, because I shouldn't feed trolls anyway, and I simply
do not have the time tonight.

Anyone who believes Ilias should be given the benefit of the doubt, and that
the "list police" (just concerned users, really) shouldn't be warning people
not to feed the troll, watch what Ilias does here. I'll bet money that if he
responds to this post at all, he'll be sure to point out how little of it he's
read, and how little he respects me. Judge for yourself if that's a fair
reaction to what I'm actually writing here, with no particular bias towards
Ilias, though I should be biased by now.

If "Matz" would act like a Moron (in context of language-design),
would this mean that the "We's" would act like moron's, too?

Probably not.

you cannot design a consistent OO language if you apply "Design by
Egoism". If you ignore logic and reason, just because it happens that
you have some warm feelings for a construct (or person), and cold
feelings for another one, then you apply "Design by Egoism". And this
will slowly degrade the language.

This from the person who now ignores everything I say, no matter how on-topic
and relevant, as "biased babbling" -- yet somehow has the time to _post_ a
reply pointing it out as "biased babbling" and informing the community that he
didn't read it.

It's his language, one will say, he has the right to do so. Well, it's
possibly his language, but there is something more:

Honour!

Actually, there's something even more than that: Fork it. IIRC, Ruby is mostly
under the BSD license. If you really think Matz is doing a bad job, and you
can't convince him otherwise, you are welcome to fork the language or the
interpreter. This has been done before, with some success -- maybe in the long
run, Matz will prefer your fork. See: YARV.

What is clear is, that this framework *requires* much from ruby - and
the Main Ruby Implementation (MRI, Matsumutos Ruby Implementation)
starts buckling.

Several new interpreters "pop out of nowhere". There's a "professional
edition" of ruby, other companies implement specialized versions with
new garbage-collectors, and who knows how many "hidden" ones.

Actually, one of these interpreters "popping out of nowhere" was YARV, which
has become Ruby 1.9. It's also given us the beginnings of an actual language
standard, which would imply that, like other established languages, Ruby could
have any number of compliant implementations, and your code would be portable
between them.

Regardless, I don't know of anyone claiming YARV is "buckling".

Others
make the "scalability dictated" move to the beloved Java Language. And
others take the "in between solution":

Ruby On Java On Rails.

What a contradiction! Shouting on Java, and then using Java as the
foundation to execute the "better" language, JRuby, and the "better"
web-framework. Anyway.

As if Ruby people like C any better? Using the JVM (not as much actual Java
itself these days) as a lower-level basis for implementing Ruby, and providing
a convenient API for scripting Java from Ruby, is really no different than
using C to implement Ruby.

It's Java's semantics we don't like, not its performance characteristics.

Oracle & IBM & Others - large scale companies, which manage to
cooperate (because they realize they *have* to join efforts). Not that
the eclipse-project is a masterpiece of liberality, but at least there
are processes.

The companies surrounding ruby *fail* to do so. They do not cooperate
efficiently,

So they do cooperate, just not "efficiently"? Is that what you're saying?

In the Ruby and the Rails domain, you see "big" names in the sponsor
list of conferences and events. But you don't see those companies
*collaborate* efficiently where it is most important: on the language
level.

Yet your example of Oracle, IBM, and others, is an example of collaborating on
the IDE and framework level, not the language level.

Politics everywhere, throughout the language system, an even the
"Rebels" (see e.g. "Rails is a Ghetto")

Say what you will about Zed, but he has actually contributed something.
Quite a lot of things, in fact.

I know that the people which write here publicly are *not* the so
called "community".

The population of the language-system "Ruby" consists first of all
from the thousands of users which do *not* write here.

They use the language, e.g. to write glue-code for their applications,
to control a small part of a film-production, a pre-processor, a quick-
prototype or something that I can't even imagine.

Then how do they communicate? How do you have a "community" of people who
don't talk to each other?

Professionals.

So, where are the professionals, which focus on the technical essence
and which know that language-evolution has not much to do with
politics and "freak-shows" or "liking each other" and all this
nonsense?

It does, however, require communication. Professional communication, which
means broadening the scope beyond "Give me a seven-letter word that means
require_relative, and don't change the subject!" It means actually discussing
actual issues, not inventing them out of thin air and refusing to provide a
single real scenario where they are useful.

And it does mean courtesy. Not "liking each other", but common courtesy.

If you like to confirm my sayings, but you don't want to do it
publicly, please feel free to contact me with private email.

Of course, because then you can come back and claim you had a lot of people
respond to you in private.

I have so far seen one person defend you, but he wasn't defending you
personally, just didn't like the fact that people reply to your brand-new
thread with "don't feed the troll." I suspect these are people who don't have
experience dealing with you.

To those replying: If you think I'm wrong, I do want to know about it. Please
_do_ respond publicly, and tell me why I'm wrong. I'm willing to change my
mind, really.

Ilias, of course, will respond publicly, but won't tell me why I'm wrong.
He'll just dismiss what I have to say out of hand. He'll even do it in so many
words.

Hey, Ilias, prove me wrong. Write a professional response, for once.
Hell, even read my whole email -- that's a rare treat, coming from you.

···

On Monday, June 20, 2011 02:26:03 PM Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Ilias.
why do not you seek a better language for you?
and live and let die with this language for us

···

--
Ángel

2011/6/20 Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com>

(public draft)
...

[...]

Rating from the reactions (including the silence), this draft version
is already "good" enough. Yes, there are some errors and flaws here
and there, language, content and even in the "logical argumentation
lines".

But an open mind will see the essence and at least silently admit:

This language system kills itself.

Wake up!

.

···

On 20 Ιούν, 22:21, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@lazaridis.com> wrote:

(public draft)

I've notice several people mentioning something like "Matz is nice and
so we are nice" (MINASWAN).

MINASWAN - Sounds like Japanese.

Japanese, like Mr. Yukihiro Matsumoto (Matz), the ruby language
designer is.

-

And so I started wondering about this here:

MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb

--
http://lazaridis.com

(public draft)

I've notice several people mentioning something like "Matz is nice and
so we are nice" (MINASWAN).

MINASWAN - Sounds like Japanese.

Japanese, like Mr. Yukihiro Matsumoto (Matz), the ruby language
designer is.

-

And so I started wondering about this here:

MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb

[...]

Talking about "Killing a Language System".

If members of the "freak-show" control central project resources, then
things become critical.

Gateway Shutting Downhttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_frm/thread/37320...

And the real "rationale" of this:

"I'm shutting down the Ruby gateway. Gated messages - Ilias messages <
4% of gated Usenet traffic. You're welcome."https://twitter.com/#!/
JEG2/status/83267057872932864

A public service gateway, which connects ruby-talk with the usenet
group comp.lang.ruby and ensures that discussions are relayed to
thousands of usenet-servers and several archives.

Shutting it down, instead of make an announcement "will shutdown in x
weeks, looking for new maintainer".

···

On Jun 20, 10:21 pm, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@lazaridis.com> wrote:>

-

And all this when I start to "get hands on the C-core". A serious
code-
level task.

REWORK - Task: Unify behaviour of by-literal-instantiated
Objectshttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_frm/thread/8d55c...

Isn't it an amazing coincidence?

.

--
http://lazaridis.com

(public draft)

I've notice several people mentioning something like "Matz is nice and
so we are nice" (MINASWAN).

MINASWAN - Sounds like Japanese.

Japanese, like Mr. Yukihiro Matsumoto (Matz), the ruby language
designer is.

-

And so I started wondering about this here:

MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb

-

If "Matz" would act like a Moron (in context of language-design),
would this mean that the "We's" would act like moron's, too?

An example:

If Mr. Matsumoto applies "Design by Egoism", then he is "Dumb" (in
context of language-design, not as an individual of course).

[...]

One of the most important things:

If one sees in those writings disrespect or even an insult, then he
most possibly don't know about Sincere Respect.

Professionals.

So, where are the professionals, which focus on the technical essence
and which know that language-evolution has not much to do with
politics and "freak-shows" or "liking each other" and all this
nonsense?

Professionals which know, that giving to much priority to such values
will degrade the language-system.
Professionals which know, that a major part of core-level software-
development is about analysing and abstracting things.

-

If you like to confirm my sayings, but you don't want to do it
publicly, please feel free to contact me with private email.

Exactly 0 (zero) people have contacted me.

.

···

On 20 Ιούν, 22:21, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@lazaridis.com> wrote:

--
http://lazaridis.com

The biggest problem with Ilias Lazaridis is that his suggestions to
improve Ruby are not meant to be honest in ANY way whatsoever.

···

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

Please don't feed the troll.

···

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 04:55:21AM +0900, A. Stroh Turph wrote:

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>
> Unicorns are stupid!

Actually, unicorns are much smarter than you. Why do you hate unicorns
so much, Ilias?

--
Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]

Nice preemptive strike :slight_smile:

http://alt.textdrive.com/assets/public/non/nq070825.gif

···

On Jun 20, 2011, at 9:32 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:

Please don't feed the troll.

Requoting, because this can't be overemphasised.

···

On 20 Jun 2011 20:32, "Chad Perrin" <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

Before anyone engages this nonsense . . .

Please don't feed the troll. Seriously. A more obvious troll than this
message from Ilias would be really, really difficult to arrange.
Actually saying anything to him here would be a monumentally bad idea.

Kudos Mr Masover

···

On 21/06/11 09:52, David Masover wrote:

A quick, lazy response, because I shouldn't feed trolls anyway, and I simply
do not have the time tonight.

Anyone who believes Ilias should be given the benefit of the doubt, and that
the "list police" (just concerned users, really) shouldn't be warning people
not to feed the troll, watch what Ilias does here. I'll bet money that if he
responds to this post at all, he'll be sure to point out how little of it he's
read, and how little he respects me. Judge for yourself if that's a fair
reaction to what I'm actually writing here, with no particular bias towards
Ilias, though I should be biased by now.

On Monday, June 20, 2011 02:26:03 PM Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

If "Matz" would act like a Moron (in context of language-design),
would this mean that the "We's" would act like moron's, too?

Probably not.

you cannot design a consistent OO language if you apply "Design by
Egoism". If you ignore logic and reason, just because it happens that
you have some warm feelings for a construct (or person), and cold
feelings for another one, then you apply "Design by Egoism". And this
will slowly degrade the language.

This from the person who now ignores everything I say, no matter how on-topic
and relevant, as "biased babbling" -- yet somehow has the time to _post_ a
reply pointing it out as "biased babbling" and informing the community that he
didn't read it.

It's his language, one will say, he has the right to do so. Well, it's
possibly his language, but there is something more:

Honour!

Actually, there's something even more than that: Fork it. IIRC, Ruby is mostly
under the BSD license. If you really think Matz is doing a bad job, and you
can't convince him otherwise, you are welcome to fork the language or the
interpreter. This has been done before, with some success -- maybe in the long
run, Matz will prefer your fork. See: YARV.

What is clear is, that this framework *requires* much from ruby - and
the Main Ruby Implementation (MRI, Matsumutos Ruby Implementation)
starts buckling.

Several new interpreters "pop out of nowhere". There's a "professional
edition" of ruby, other companies implement specialized versions with
new garbage-collectors, and who knows how many "hidden" ones.

Actually, one of these interpreters "popping out of nowhere" was YARV, which
has become Ruby 1.9. It's also given us the beginnings of an actual language
standard, which would imply that, like other established languages, Ruby could
have any number of compliant implementations, and your code would be portable
between them.

Regardless, I don't know of anyone claiming YARV is "buckling".

Others
make the "scalability dictated" move to the beloved Java Language. And
others take the "in between solution":

Ruby On Java On Rails.

What a contradiction! Shouting on Java, and then using Java as the
foundation to execute the "better" language, JRuby, and the "better"
web-framework. Anyway.

As if Ruby people like C any better? Using the JVM (not as much actual Java
itself these days) as a lower-level basis for implementing Ruby, and providing
a convenient API for scripting Java from Ruby, is really no different than
using C to implement Ruby.

It's Java's semantics we don't like, not its performance characteristics.

Oracle& IBM& Others - large scale companies, which manage to
cooperate (because they realize they *have* to join efforts). Not that
the eclipse-project is a masterpiece of liberality, but at least there
are processes.

The companies surrounding ruby *fail* to do so. They do not cooperate
efficiently,

So they do cooperate, just not "efficiently"? Is that what you're saying?

In the Ruby and the Rails domain, you see "big" names in the sponsor
list of conferences and events. But you don't see those companies
*collaborate* efficiently where it is most important: on the language
level.

Yet your example of Oracle, IBM, and others, is an example of collaborating on
the IDE and framework level, not the language level.

Politics everywhere, throughout the language system, an even the
"Rebels" (see e.g. "Rails is a Ghetto")

Say what you will about Zed, but he has actually contributed something.
Quite a lot of things, in fact.

I know that the people which write here publicly are *not* the so
called "community".

The population of the language-system "Ruby" consists first of all
from the thousands of users which do *not* write here.

They use the language, e.g. to write glue-code for their applications,
to control a small part of a film-production, a pre-processor, a quick-
prototype or something that I can't even imagine.

Then how do they communicate? How do you have a "community" of people who
don't talk to each other?

Professionals.

So, where are the professionals, which focus on the technical essence
and which know that language-evolution has not much to do with
politics and "freak-shows" or "liking each other" and all this
nonsense?

It does, however, require communication. Professional communication, which
means broadening the scope beyond "Give me a seven-letter word that means
require_relative, and don't change the subject!" It means actually discussing
actual issues, not inventing them out of thin air and refusing to provide a
single real scenario where they are useful.

And it does mean courtesy. Not "liking each other", but common courtesy.

If you like to confirm my sayings, but you don't want to do it
publicly, please feel free to contact me with private email.

Of course, because then you can come back and claim you had a lot of people
respond to you in private.

I have so far seen one person defend you, but he wasn't defending you
personally, just didn't like the fact that people reply to your brand-new
thread with "don't feed the troll." I suspect these are people who don't have
experience dealing with you.

To those replying: If you think I'm wrong, I do want to know about it. Please
_do_ respond publicly, and tell me why I'm wrong. I'm willing to change my
mind, really.

Ilias, of course, will respond publicly, but won't tell me why I'm wrong.
He'll just dismiss what I have to say out of hand. He'll even do it in so many
words.

Hey, Ilias, prove me wrong. Write a professional response, for once.
Hell, even read my whole email -- that's a rare treat, coming from you.

Please do not respond to this thread with a complete list of William
Shakespeare's works. Including but not limited to:

A Lover's Complaint
A Midsummer Night's Dream
All's Well That Ends Well
Antony and Cleopatra
As You Like It
Coriolanus
Cymbeline
Funeral Elegy by W.S.
Hamlet
Henry IV, part 1
Henry IV, part 2
Henry V
Henry VI, part 1
Henry VI, part 2
Henry VI, part 3
Henry VIII
Julius Caesar
King John
King Lear
Love's Labours Lost
Macbeth
Measure for Measure
Much Ado About Nothing
Othello
Pericles, Prince of Tyre
Richard II
Richard III
Romeo and Juliet
Taming of the Shrew
The Comedy of Errors
The Merchant of Venice
The Merry Wives of Windsor
The Rape of Lucrece
The Sonnets
The Tempest
Timon of Athens
Titus Andronicus
Troilus and Cressida
Twelfth Night
Two Gentlemen of Verona
Venus and Adonis
Winter's Tale

It seems to me that the members of this mailing list that tend to
answer Ilias are the same members that tend to act list police.

Perhaps they should heed their own and each other’s warnings instead
of repeatedly telling everyone else what to do?

···

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 23:52, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

Anyone who believes Ilias should be given the benefit of the doubt, and that
the "list police" (just concerned users, really)

It certainly is not - Mr. Jesse Ventura (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_Theory_with_Jesse_Ventura\) will be
contacting you shortly I'm sure ........

Continue to fight the great fight!

John

···

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com>wrote:

Isn't it an amazing coincidence?

Talking about "Killing a Language System".

If members of the "freak-show" control central project resources, then
things become critical.

Gateway Shutting Downhttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_frm/thread/37320...

And the real "rationale" of this:

"I'm shutting down the Ruby gateway. Gated messages - Ilias messages <
4% of gated Usenet traffic. You're welcome."https://twitter.com/#!/
JEG2/status/83267057872932864

The real rational was the one given, by me, in the announcement.
Forcing you to post from a place where you can be banned was a perk
that may have sped up the process.

Shutting it down, instead of make an announcement "will shutdown in x
weeks, looking for new maintainer".

No replacement is needed or desired. That's why I didn't call for one.

You need to stop speaking for me, or I may need to consider legal
retaliation. (This is a joke, unless your name is Ilias.)

And all this when I start to "get hands on the C-core". A serious
code-
level task.

Read the above. Read the title of this thread. Feel free to laugh.
Out loud. I did. A lot.

James Edward Gray II

P.S. I promise to stop poking the troll with sticks after this message.

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On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote:

(public draft)

[...]

Corrected links:

Gateway Shutting Down
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_frm/thread/37320746a0e65441#

"I'm shutting down the Ruby gateway. Gated messages - Ilias messages <
4% of gated Usenet traffic. You're welcome."

https://twitter.com/#!/JEG2/status/83267057872932864

REWORK - Task: Unify behaviour of by-literal-instantiated Objects

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_frm/thread/8d55ce96810ccf60#

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On 22 Ιούν, 01:17, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@lazaridis.com> wrote:

On Jun 20, 10:21 pm, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@lazaridis.com> wrote:>

-

Please note that although I send my messages additionally to ruby-
talk, I do not read the ruby-talk list but only the comp.lang.ruby
usenet group.

So you can write freely on ruby-talk, in your small "club", without
expecting any reply.

Please line in:

ruby-talk, puppies, which need protection of a censoring instance

comp.lang.ruby, professionals, which know how to setup a filter

-

Whoever sees this abrupt interruption of service and does not react,
is essentially part of this first step towards censorship.

As said: mid-century.

-

As a side-note:

I am trying this "twitter" thing a little:

https://twitter.com/LazaridisCom

.

--
http://lazaridis.com

Could you please stop repeating "Exactly 0 (zero) people have
contacted me" in every mail thread? You are not a new Messiash and you
will get no people involved in your paranoid obsession to make "the
perfect language". Nobody will waste his time helping you to "fix"
such subjective issues that nobody cares.

Please, get a professional life and you'll realize that it's not good
to waste more than 5000 words complaining about the length of
"require_relative" method name.

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2011/6/26 Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com>:

If you like to confirm my sayings, but you don't want to do it
publicly, please feel free to contact me with private email.

Exactly 0 (zero) people have contacted me.

--
Iñaki Baz Castillo
<ibc@aliax.net>