[OG] [NITRO] - Mr. George Moschovitis applies Censorship on Public Project Forum

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To understand further the _real_ difference between Nitro/Og and Rails/ActiveRecord, see how Mr. Moschovitis treats a complaint about the non-existent public code-repository of Nitro/OG:

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My Question:

"As I got no feedback on this list, I tried to look to the actual
code-repository.

where can I find it?"

The Censorship:

"Ok, I added moderation to his account. I 'll accept only his useful
messages and delete the excessive spam. Hope this helps to increase
the SNR."

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[Nitro] [OG] - Code Repository (CVS / SVN), where?
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.nitro.general/279

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Ilias, your personal problems aren't relevant for us folks, so keep it for yourself.

Danke.

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The sooner we all ignore Ilias completely, the sooner we can all flush yet another pointless and irritating thread into the bit-bucket.

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Ilias,

It isn't *what* you say, it is *how* you say things that seem to upset some people.

Too bad for you since the world is ruled by those that know how to persuade others to their views. This is bad news for you professionally since those that fail to communicate well with others typically earn a lot less than average in their lives (they generally peak in their early to mid-twenties when management skills aren't as important in their careers and peers overlook personality quirks of the "young").

And if your newsgroup communication style is the same in "real life", then you're probably unpopular with almost everyone you encounter. So this is also bad news for you socially.

With what is likely to be an unsuccessful/frustrating professional life and an equally unsuccessful social life, your only remaining joy must be logging onto your computer to annoy the naive on newsgroups who seem to think your opinions matter to their lives. How sad...poor baby.

While this is sometimes entertaining for me to witness, it is preventing people from working on ruby projects I utilize. So if you don't mind, would you please use a non-ruby newsgroup to compensate for your sad and frustrating existence? These people aren't gonna get much done with their panties in a bunch!

I'm sure the C# newsgroups would provide sufficient ammunition for you to really wreck havoc...

Thanks.

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Ilias-- One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. You insult people and treat them badly and you expect love and praise for it. You are fixated on blaming the whole world for how they respond when you piss on them.

You pride yourself on your rationality. Is it rational to continue to engage in a behavior that you know leads to "oppression" as you are charging of us? Even if we were wrong, you want us to treat you with respect. So you should act in a way that will win the respect you desire from us.

If that means running around with blue clay smeared on your belly and your head shaved, so be it. That is rational. How you are behaving now is not.

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

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To understand further the _real_ difference between Nitro/Og and Rails/ActiveRecord, see how Mr. Moschovitis treats a complaint about the non-existent public code-repository of Nitro/OG:

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My Question:

"As I got no feedback on this list, I tried to look to the actual
code-repository.

where can I find it?"

The Censorship:

"Ok, I added moderation to his account. I 'll accept only his useful
messages and delete the excessive spam. Hope this helps to increase
the SNR."

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[Nitro] [OG] - Code Repository (CVS / SVN), where?
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.nitro.general/279

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Hi!

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At Sat, 07 May 2005 14:33:00 +0300, Ilias Lazaridis wrote.

Next month's National Geographic comes with a feature on a recently
re-discovered way of directly connecting people: privat e-mail. It
will also contain an article about firefighters complaining that their
work has become harder after a new kind of leisure persuit has come
into vogue called 'flame wars'.

Besides that: Even the GPL only requires that one is given access to
the source of the program one is actually provided with. As long as
you are not provided with an executable generated from the repository
it is nice if the author provices access to the repository but he hes
the right to decide not to do it.

Note that Open Source licenses *explicitly* allow to create derived
works. So if one does not agree by the way in which a project evolves
one always has the freedom to write one's own project derived from it.

Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT

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Ghislain Mary wrote:

Ilias, your personal problems aren't relevant for us folks, so keep it for yourself.

Danke.

Your (whoever "us folks" is) [faulty] interpretation of what is "my personal problem" or a "valid topic for comp.lang.ruby", is irrelevant for me.

But feel free to continue your off-topic comments, which successfully ignore the central part of my message:

A Coward Censorship Case within a ruby open-source project.

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Glenn Parker wrote:

The sooner we all ignore Ilias completely, the sooner we can all flush yet another pointless and irritating thread into the bit-bucket.

A very essential demonstration of how to ignore people on public media.

impressive.

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Friday wrote:
[...] - (unbelievable)

Please grow mentally up before placing such an amateurish CyberDoctor analysis, which could have hurted deeply someone with a psych/situation that you describe.

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As for me, the information is publically available:

simply interconnect those 3 parts

http://lazaridis.com/resumes/lazaridis.html

http://lazaridis.com/core/index.html

http://lazaridis.com/case/ide/index.html

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ROFL!

Friday wrote:

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Ilias,

It isn't *what* you say, it is *how* you say things that seem to upset some people.

Too bad for you since the world is ruled by those that know how to persuade others to their views. This is bad news for you professionally since those that fail to communicate well with others typically earn a lot less than average in their lives (they generally peak in their early to mid-twenties when management skills aren't as important in their careers and peers overlook personality quirks of the "young").

And if your newsgroup communication style is the same in "real life", then you're probably unpopular with almost everyone you encounter. So this is also bad news for you socially.

With what is likely to be an unsuccessful/frustrating professional life and an equally unsuccessful social life, your only remaining joy must be logging onto your computer to annoy the naive on newsgroups who seem to think your opinions matter to their lives. How sad...poor baby.

While this is sometimes entertaining for me to witness, it is preventing people from working on ruby projects I utilize. So if you don't mind, would you please use a non-ruby newsgroup to compensate for your sad and frustrating existence? These people aren't gonna get much done with their panties in a bunch!

I'm sure the C# newsgroups would provide sufficient ammunition for you to really wreck havoc...

Thanks.

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Paul Hanchett wrote:

Ilias-- One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over

[...] - (off-topic babbling)

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Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT wrote:

Hi!

i did not wrote that.

you should quote more precisely.

Next month's National Geographic comes with a feature on a recently
re-discovered way of directly connecting people: privat e-mail. It

this censorship case affects the whole ruby community.

It's sad that you did not detect this.

will also contain an article about firefighters complaining that their
work has become harder after a new kind of leisure persuit has come
into vogue called 'flame wars'.

I'm not intrested in flame wars.

Just in efficient system evolution [Ruby]

Besides that: Even the GPL only requires that one is given access to
the source of the program one is actually provided with. As long as
you are not provided with an executable generated from the repository
it is nice if the author provices access to the repository but he hes
the right to decide not to do it.

I don't care what the GPL says.

I care what rationality implies [confirmed by status-quo]

Open Source Product - Open Source

Open Source Project - Open Code Repository

Note that Open Source licenses *explicitly* allow to create derived
works. So if one does not agree by the way in which a project evolves
one always has the freedom to write one's own project derived from it.

I'm not intrested to create a derivative work of "Og".

I'm intrested in contributing the changes which I nead.

If this is not possibly, I try with the next persistency-system.

If I fail again, I'll implement an own one.

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At Sat, 07 May 2005 14:33:00 +0300, Ilias Lazaridis wrote.

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As for me, the information is publically available:

simply interconnect those 3 parts

http://lazaridis.com/resumes/lazaridis.html

http://lazaridis.com/core/index.html

http://lazaridis.com/case/ide/index.html

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See, this is why you don't put a 'validate referer' link on your page. Someone could actually click on it and find out, that your page actually is not compliant, which would be pretty embarassing.

Sorry for the noise.

Henrik

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You should take counsel from Friday Ilias. This is very much the same material I sent you private a couple of weeks ago. As I said then, other people see it clearly even if you do not.

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

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Friday wrote:
[...] - (unbelievable)

Please grow mentally up before placing such an amateurish CyberDoctor analysis, which could have hurted deeply someone with a psych/situation that you describe.

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As for me, the information is publically available:

simply interconnect those 3 parts

http://lazaridis.com/resumes/lazaridis.html

http://lazaridis.com/core/index.html

http://lazaridis.com/case/ide/index.html

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And what do they mean? I see that you have self-initiated "evaluation" projects on various subjects. I don't see that anyone else has reviewed or agreed with them. I see that you list a number of projects as "failures", which is very impressive indeed. In no case do you post enough information to identify the company you claim to have worked for.

You demonstrate incomplete thinking and an inability to communicate with others, which is characterized by a failure to realize that communications requires the ability to empathize with others. You cannot empathize because to do so would require that you realize that there are other valid points of view beyond your own.

Ilias, you really do need some counseling. Please get it for your own sake!

Paul

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

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Friday wrote:
[...] - (unbelievable)

Please grow mentally up before placing such an amateurish CyberDoctor analysis, which could have hurted deeply someone with a psych/situation that you describe.

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As for me, the information is publically available:

simply interconnect those 3 parts

http://lazaridis.com/resumes/lazaridis.html

http://lazaridis.com/core/index.html

http://lazaridis.com/case/ide/index.html

.

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Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Friday wrote:
[...] - (unbelievable)

Please grow mentally up before placing such an amateurish CyberDoctor analysis, which could have hurted deeply someone with a psych/situation that you describe.

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As for me, the information is publically available:

simply interconnect those 3 parts

http://lazaridis.com/resumes/lazaridis.html

http://lazaridis.com/core/index.html

http://lazaridis.com/case/ide/index.html

From what I can tell you have essentially been doing nothing productive in the last three years. This appears to be further documentation that Friday indeed appears to be right.

I have seen some efforts of doing things productively (your automated table evaluation seems to be useful even if I'm not too experienced in this area) and I even think that you had a point with trying to open up development of Og -- but clearly trying to denunciate people on a public mailing list after shouting in their faces is not the right thing.

Producing a patch shows that you can actually write code, perhaps you could contribute back to more open source projects which would be nice on a resume as well.

Please, just take a more sensible / graceful approach and things will work. Even if you think you *are* right and others wrong you don't need to show it -- it will make it harder to admit their failure in case you are right and harder to admit your own in case they are right.

Sorry if it feels bad for you to discuss these things in the public, but I fear you would just ignore these kind of mails if they were send privately to you. Correct me if I am wrong on this (or reply privately, I don't think anybody will take offense on that) and you would prefer it otherwise.

Of course, I could again be falling for trolling, but this time I didn't push so much effort that it would hurt. I hope others will forgive me in case I added to the noise side of the ratio...

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Ilias Lazaridis, May 9:

this censorship case affects the whole ruby community.

You don't constitute the whole Ruby community, dude,
        nikolai

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Hi!

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At Mon, 9 May 2005 06:19:27 +0900,Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT wrote:
> At Sat, 07 May 2005 14:33:00 +0300, Ilias Lazaridis wrote.

i did not wrote that.

I did not attribute anything to you (there is no ':'). I only stated
that you wrote (something) which is indicated by the '.' at the end.
You failed in the test that was your last chance of not being
killfiled.

Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT

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Henrik Horneber wrote:

As for me, the information is publically available:

simply interconnect those 3 parts

http://lazaridis.com/resumes/lazaridis.html

http://lazaridis.com/core/index.html

http://lazaridis.com/case/ide/index.html

See, this is why you don't put a 'validate referer' link on your page. Someone could actually click on it and find out, that your page actually is not compliant, which would be pretty embarassing.

Sorry for the noise.

Henrik

Congratulation for gaining the most relevant essence out of the above links.

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Paul Hanchett wrote:
[moved into context]

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Friday wrote:
[...] - (unbelievable)

Please grow mentally up before placing such an amateurish CyberDoctor analysis, which could have hurted deeply someone with a psych/situation that you describe.

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As for me, the information is publically available:

simply interconnect those 3 parts

http://lazaridis.com/resumes/lazaridis.html

http://lazaridis.com/core/index.html

http://lazaridis.com/case/ide/index.html

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> You should take counsel from Friday Ilias. This is very much the same
> material I sent you private a couple of weeks ago. As I said then,
> other people see it clearly even if you do not.

My answer was similar as to you:

Read the documents - then you will possibly understand.

[and hopefully drop your CyberDoctor's careers]

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