I am sorry, but are you people retards? Why do you feed the Ilias
troll? Let him shove his Jam fictive language where the sun don't
shine.
I am so tired of these endless non-productive meaningless one-liner
discussions.
Please. Stop it. It hurts.
Have a nice cup of STFU.
That is all.
I am sorry, but are you people retards? Why do you feed the Ilias
troll? Let him shove his Jam fictive language where the sun don't
shine.
I'm not complaining, I'm actually interested in his Efficiency
Management plans/tests/etc.
I tend to ignore things I don't like, and criticize (badly) things I
like that I wish could be better.
I am so tired of these endless non-productive meaningless one-liner
discussions.
Try gmail. It eases the pain for "these endless non-productive
meaningless one-liner discussions."
On Apr 4, 2005 11:59 PM, Seppuku <fscker2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
--
Hendy Irawan - http://dev.gauldong.net - GaulDong Developer Center
Seppuku wrote:
I am sorry, but are you people retards? Why do you feed the Ilias
troll? Let him shove his Jam fictive language where the sun don't
shine.
Thanks a lot. Until this post, I was unaware of him or her.
Seppuku wrote:
I am sorry, but are you people retards? Why do you feed the Ilias
troll? Let him shove his Jam fictive language where the sun don't
shine.
+1. Ilias is simply a leech. I have long since stopped following any thread where he shows up.
--
Glenn Parker | glenn.parker-AT-comcast.net | <http://www.tetrafoil.com/>
To be honest, I am always amazed by how much people can go on and on
about these "trolls". I call it tat --trolling against trolls.
Okay, I'm a "tit", so suck me 
"I am so tired of these endless non-productive meaningless one-liner
discussions."
Check this out! his post to c.l.python received 0 replies. That's
1000s of people on a successful prisoner's dilemma
Impressive! But look what I found...
http://www.fh-joanneum.at/ima/source/PraxissemesterDetail.asp?pra_ID=36&lan=EN
Could it be??? Shouldnt the flash have turned it to stone???
If you follow the link to his coach, you will notice he worked for S+M
Components...
nothin suss! 
I think hed have to enjoy S&M to take Ilias on as a student.
Another fine post, worthy of a chuckle as the troll eats itself...
http://www.talkaboutabook.com/group/alt.censorship/messages/219319.html
If anyone wants a gmail account so they can escape the crap-fest, Im
happy to send an invite.
On Apr 5, 2005 4:49 PM, gene.tani@gmail.com <gene.tani@gmail.com> wrote:
Check this out! his post to c.l.python received 0 replies. That's
1000s of people on a successful prisoner's dilemma
--
spooq
Luke Graham wrote:
Could it be??? Shouldnt the flash have turned it to stone???
If you follow the link to his coach, you will notice he worked for S+M
Components...
nothin suss!
I'm new to ruby-talk. Why the pile-on for this fellow? I looked through some of the material linked, and his most recent posts since I joined, and he seems "mostly harmless" (in the words of Douglas Adams).
I thought Ruby was the language for nice people. Why all the snippy remarks?
Cheers,
--binkley
B. K. Oxley (binkley) wrote:
Luke Graham wrote:
Could it be??? Shouldnt the flash have turned it to stone???
If you follow the link to his coach, you will notice he worked for S+M
Components...
nothin suss!I'm new to ruby-talk. Why the pile-on for this fellow? I looked through some of the material linked, and his most recent posts since I joined, and he seems "mostly harmless" (in the words of Douglas Adams).
I thought Ruby was the language for nice people. Why all the snippy remarks?
He's probably mostly harmless at this point. He was irritating in
the extreme in his first week or so. Many people killfiled him
at that point.
Hal
B. K. Oxley (binkley) wrote:
...
I'm new to ruby-talk. Why the pile-on for this fellow? I looked through some of the material linked, and his most recent posts since I joined, and he seems "mostly harmless" (in the words of Douglas Adams).
Exactly true. Nothing a decent bozofilter can't handle better than a thousand snarky comments (ironically decrying the state of the newsgroup).
I thought Ruby was the language for nice people. Why all the snippy remarks?
Good question. Please don't take this rash of churlishness as the norm for ruby-talk. There may be subsets of the Ruby community for whom insults and flamefests are acceptable, but I believe they are in the minority.
Thanks,
James
Ilias is a famous troll, crossing languages and tools for years.
http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html
-Brian
On Apr 5, 2005, at 6:18 AM, B. K. Oxley (binkley) wrote:
Why the pile-on for this fellow?
Others have explained their points of view in this thread already, but
I want to give my position, seeing as I was the one being nasty.
Ilias is a chronic time-waster. He may not be a troll in the true
sense of the word, but the effect is the same. The few posts Ive made
-about- him pale in comparison to the list traffic -to-
and -from- him, however it is true that threads like this one are part
of his success. The only way to win is to not play, and I dont believe
this list is ready to do that yet, so I dont see any harm in a couple
more mails. I know thats an illogical view, and that every post I make
adds victory points to his score, but Im only human and dont always
make sense.
For me, the biggest effect he has is to cause a sense of wonder that
bright people like JEG2 would waste even a minute of their lives
responding to him, once they realised what he was. After a few minutes
of research, its obvious that even his more interesting questions act
as lures to keep the threads going until "closed". I saw a post where
he mentioned something about someone acting as a "cyber-doctor", so I
guess hes been remotely analysed many times, but I think in the end
hes probably just lonely and confused. It doesnt make him any less
irritating.
On Apr 5, 2005 8:18 PM, B. K. Oxley (binkley) <binkley@alumni.rice.edu> wrote:
Luke Graham wrote:
> Could it be??? Shouldnt the flash have turned it to stone???
>
> If you follow the link to his coach, you will notice he worked for S+M
> Components...
> nothin suss!I'm new to ruby-talk. Why the pile-on for this fellow? I looked
through some of the material linked, and his most recent posts since I
joined, and he seems "mostly harmless" (in the words of Douglas Adams).I thought Ruby was the language for nice people. Why all the snippy
remarks?
--
spooq
B. K. Oxley (binkley) wrote:
I'm new to ruby-talk. Why the pile-on for this fellow? I looked
through some of the material linked, and his most recent posts
since I joined, and he seems "mostly harmless" (in the words of
Douglas Adams).Exactly true. Nothing a decent bozofilter can't handle better than
a thousand snarky comments (ironically decrying the state of the
newsgroup).
True enough. I generally hit 'y' when I get one of Ilias's threads,
although I do look at the participation of some of the smart people
who respond, because it's interesting.
They have more patience than I.
I thought Ruby was the language for nice people. Why all the
snippy remarks?Good question. Please don't take this rash of churlishness as the
norm for ruby-talk. There may be subsets of the Ruby community for
whom insults and flamefests are acceptable, but I believe they are
in the minority.
To try to explain why the remarks are so snippy: Ilias is an
annoying twit. While he is finally *really* starting to try to
understand Ruby, he's still not doing the single thing that will
help him understand Ruby most: writing a substantive program.
Ilias's writing is haughty, arrogant, and excessively verbose.
(Quoting Inigo Montoya from _The Princess Bride_: "You keep using
that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.") His
formatting in his posts is difficult to read, and his misuse of the
English language (which may be a non-native speaker issue). He has
apparently decided that he's going to do this his way -- and
everyone else in the world has to revolve around him; any attempt to
try to get him to look at the real issues, in my experience, leads
him to state that the discussion is "off-topic."
Ilias may not be a troll, but he has certainly acted like one; if
he's not a troll, his style and people-skills certainly need work,
as he *is* wearing on the patience of some people. For all that,
though, he is asking interesting questions from which people can
learn -- if he'd only bother to listen to the answers provided. This
is more than can be said for some past denizens of ruby-talk.
-austin
On Apr 5, 2005 10:04 AM, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com
* Alternate: austin@halostatue.ca
Ilias has the longest "review" on this website ! Impressive... :o)
On Apr 5, 2005 3:36 PM, Brian McCallister <brianm@apache.org> wrote:
On Apr 5, 2005, at 6:18 AM, B. K. Oxley (binkley) wrote:
> Why the pile-on for this fellow?
Ilias is a famous troll, crossing languages and tools for years.
http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html
-Brian
--
All the best
Glenn
Aylesbury, UK
Brian McCallister wrote:
B. K. Oxley (binkley) wrote:
> Why the pile-on for this fellow?
Ilias is a famous troll, crossing languages and tools for years.
If you want to get on a list like that, follow these simple instructions:
Dial up news:comp.games.development.design . ("Design" is the elite role of
gameplay design, not software architecture design.)
Suggest that these lofty Designers should occupy the eXtreme Programming
role of Onsite Customer, meaning they must write automated tests for each
feature they request. Designers already have light programming duties - more
than XP requires in a Customer.
However, instead of learning this stuff, or admitting the game industry has
major problems, they will call you a troll. Try it!
Hi,
Am Dienstag, 05. Apr 2005, 23:36:10 +0900 schrieb Brian McCallister:
On Apr 5, 2005, at 6:18 AM, B. K. Oxley (binkley) wrote:
>Why the pile-on for this fellow?
Ilias is a famous troll, crossing languages and tools for years.
Ruby is a first class language and it deserves first class
trolls.
Bertram
--
Bertram Scharpf
Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany
http://www.bertram-scharpf.de
I admire JEG2 for politely replying (when it makes sense), and wish I
could be that generous myself. The thread has brought up some good
points.
back to Ilias mode...
This thread was closed many posts back. You must not continue to post to it!
On Apr 5, 2005 9:58 PM, Luke Graham <spoooq@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 2005 8:18 PM, B. K. Oxley (binkley) <binkley@alumni.rice.edu> wrote:
> Luke Graham wrote:
> > Could it be??? Shouldnt the flash have turned it to stone???
> >
> > If you follow the link to his coach, you will notice he worked for S+M
> > Components...
> > nothin suss!
>
> I'm new to ruby-talk. Why the pile-on for this fellow? I looked
> through some of the material linked, and his most recent posts since I
> joined, and he seems "mostly harmless" (in the words of Douglas Adams).
>
> I thought Ruby was the language for nice people. Why all the snippy
> remarks?Others have explained their points of view in this thread already, but
I want to give my position, seeing as I was the one being nasty.Ilias is a chronic time-waster. He may not be a troll in the true
sense of the word, but the effect is the same. The few posts Ive made
-about- him pale in comparison to the list traffic -to-
and -from- him, however it is true that threads like this one are part
of his success. The only way to win is to not play, and I dont believe
this list is ready to do that yet, so I dont see any harm in a couple
more mails. I know thats an illogical view, and that every post I make
adds victory points to his score, but Im only human and dont always
make sense.For me, the biggest effect he has is to cause a sense of wonder that
bright people like JEG2 would waste even a minute of their lives
responding to him, once they realised what he was. After a few minutes
of research, its obvious that even his more interesting questions act
as lures to keep the threads going until "closed". I saw a post where
he mentioned something about someone acting as a "cyber-doctor", so I
guess hes been remotely analysed many times, but I think in the end
hes probably just lonely and confused. It doesnt make him any less
irritating.--
spooq
--
Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)
Luke Graham wrote:
Luke Graham wrote:
Could it be??? Shouldnt the flash have turned it to stone???
If you follow the link to his coach, you will notice he worked for S+M
Components...
nothin suss!
I'm new to ruby-talk. Why the pile-on for this fellow? I looked
through some of the material linked, and his most recent posts since I
joined, and he seems "mostly harmless" (in the words of Douglas Adams).I thought Ruby was the language for nice people. Why all the snippy
remarks?
Others have explained their points of view in this thread already, but
I want to give my position, seeing as I was the one being nasty.Ilias is a chronic time-waster. He may not be a troll in the true
sense of the word, but the effect is the same. The few posts Ive made
-about- him pale in comparison to the list traffic -to-
and -from- him, however it is true that threads like this one are part
of his success. The only way to win is to not play, and I dont believe
this list is ready to do that yet, so I dont see any harm in a couple
more mails. I know thats an illogical view, and that every post I make
adds victory points to his score, but Im only human and dont always
make sense.For me, the biggest effect he has is to cause a sense of wonder that
bright people like JEG2 would waste even a minute of their lives
responding to him, once they realised what he was. After a few minutes
of research, its obvious that even his more interesting questions act
as lures to keep the threads going until "closed". I saw a post where
he mentioned something about someone acting as a "cyber-doctor", so I
guess hes been remotely analysed many times, but I think in the end
hes probably just lonely and confused. It doesnt make him any less
irritating.
Live and let live I say. I also new to this list. Maybe there should be a moderated list for ruby experts who want to restrict discussion to concise informed opinion, but the title of this list, ruby-talk gives a different impression. I consider this list a source of entertainment, and in that mode I don't mind having my time wasted. If I'm not interesting in a discussion I move on, nothing to see here. I don't like personal attacks, it gives a bad feeling.
regards,
Richard.
On Apr 5, 2005 8:18 PM, B. K. Oxley (binkley) <binkley@alumni.rice.edu> wrote:
After reading the above I've got this mental image of a guy playing a video game where he loses a life for every thread closed and gains points for every reply and a free life for every *PLONK*. Kind of like a FPS for trolls. I can't see his face only the back of his head and the video screen in front of him. Kind of looks like Pacland for some reason, but there was no shooting in that game.
Thanks for the imagery. I had never thought of trolls like that before.
In message <c6afaed005040518582d2bca81@mail.gmail.com>, Luke Graham <spoooq@gmail.com> writes
more mails. I know thats an illogical view, and that every post I make
adds victory points to his score, but Im only human and dont always
make sense.
--
Stephen Kellett
Object Media Limited http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk
RSI Information: http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk/rsi.html
Austin Ziegler wrote:
For all that, though, he is asking interesting questions from which
people can learn
I am finding the question about metaclasses to be of this sort. I hadn't realized how richly Ruby borrowed from Smalltalk. It lifts the spirit to see this design in a language with the reach of Ruby (Python, too, in this respect).
Cheers,
--binkley