Le 13/10/2021 Ã 14:21, Saji Hameed a Ã©critÂ :
I think it was an unnecessary step. Because although there were some
heated arguments, it was resolved within the group without
things getting out of control. The group managed itself.Â
Given the apparent correlation in timings of the moderation and things
cooling down I'm not so sure the group actually managed by itself.
I agree that avoiding moderation is usually preferable but from my
perspective things were really getting out of control. For the first
time on this mailing list I had not only to ignore individual users but
to blacklist entire threads too. This is not a good place to be and I
suspect the least patient ones among us started unsubscribing.
I feel that policing is not a good idea in a community to whom people
contribute voluntarily. It is part of the learning process to debate
and resolve situations peacefully.
Having to enforce an etiquette is always a delicate matter as it can
split the community. My personal take on this is that we are lucky that
it had to be done so rarely on ruby-talk: trolls are legions,
miscommunications between people of different cultures or having
different native languages happen and finally nowadays people are
probably more stressed than usual. Stressed people tend to react harshly
and situations escalate. This escalation can be unavoidable especially
on open mailing-lists and when the group can't solve it in a timely
manner (individual definitions of timely obviously differ) the
manager(s) have to do it or risk seeing the mailing-list implode.
Hopefully this will serve as a reminder that one of the core design
principles if not the main one for Ruby is making developers happy.
Flamewars on subjects that aren't even related to Ruby don't make anyone
Thank you Hiroshi, let's hope you won't have to intervene in any way in
the foreseeable future.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 8:43 PM Xavier Noria <email@example.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 1:39 PM SHIBATA Hiroshi > <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
I'm administrator of ruby-talk.
I enabled the emergency moderation mode for ruby-talk from
1week ago because
some of people were heat up in this list.
After that, the all of traffic needs to my moderation.
I disabled this mode now. So, You can send new message to this
But if some of people were heat up again, I will consider to
shut-down this list
from ruby-lang.org <http://ruby-lang.org>. This consideration
was approved by Matz.
Please remember MINASWAN.
Thanks a lot for the moderation, it's really appreciated ðââï¸.Â
gÃ©rant de JTEK SARL