Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.
Is there actually a person in charge of ruby-talk?
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Tony Arcieri wrote:
Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.Is there actually a person in charge of ruby-talk?
There are admin contact addresses here:
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/manual-instructions/
(While you're at it, you could ask for the broken link at the bottom of
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/
which is supposed to point to "the manual way" to be fixed)
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Did you just suggest that ruby-talk should become a moderated list?
Kind regards
robert
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2010/4/14 Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@medioh.com>:
Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.
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http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/
Just last week I was having problems managing my subscription via the
list controller. When I tried the "manual way"
(http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/manual-instructions/\)
I couldn't get the bot to respond either. As a last resort I emailed
the human administrator address (ruby-talk-admin@ruby-lang.org) and
got a response from Matz himself.
Perhaps that's the problem. The list is being maintained by a person
who most assuredly doesn't have time for it because he has much more
important things to do!
Michael
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@medioh.com> wrote:
Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.Is there actually a person in charge of ruby-talk?
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Medioh! A Kudelski Brand
Maybe this mailing list might be better suited in a forum.
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Michael Jackson <mjijackson@gmail.com>wrote:
Just last week I was having problems managing my subscription via the
list controller. When I tried the "manual way"
(http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/manual-instructions/\)
I couldn't get the bot to respond either. As a last resort I emailed
the human administrator address (ruby-talk-admin@ruby-lang.org) and
got a response from Matz himself.Perhaps that's the problem. The list is being maintained by a person
who most assuredly doesn't have time for it because he has much more
important things to do!Michael
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@mjijacksonOn Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@medioh.com> > wrote:
> Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
> vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.
>
> Is there actually a person in charge of ruby-talk?
>
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Yes, given the recent high volume of off-topic posts, I think it's clear the
list is in need of a moderator, at the very least someone who can warn/ban
users who make high volumes of off-topic posts.
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>wrote:
Did you just suggest that ruby-talk should become a moderated list?
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You should be died, Michael Jackson died long time ago.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Jackson [mailto:mjijackson@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:31 PM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: Who maintains ruby-talk?
Just last week I was having problems managing my subscription via the
list controller. When I tried the "manual way"
(http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/manual-instructions
/)
I couldn't get the bot to respond either. As a last resort I emailed
the human administrator address (ruby-talk-admin@ruby-lang.org) and
got a response from Matz himself.
Perhaps that's the problem. The list is being maintained by a person
who most assuredly doesn't have time for it because he has much more
important things to do!
Michael
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@medioh.com> wrote:
Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.Is there actually a person in charge of ruby-talk?
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Well, a mailing list is a forum as well. 
Also, please note this:
Cheers
robert
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2010/4/14 Rich McGrath <rich.mcgrath@bitmob.com>:
Maybe this mailing list might be better suited in a forum.
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remember.guy do |as, often| as.you_can - without end
http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/
You know, the Nazis had moderators, but they made the Jews wear them.
Sorry, Office Space
Unless things got completely unusable, I'd much prefer if there wasn't
someone with the power to kick people off the list whenever the whim struck
them. Between spam filters and community policing, I think this list is
fine.
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@medioh.com>wrote:
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Robert Klemme > <shortcutter@googlemail.com>wrote:
> Did you just suggest that ruby-talk should become a moderated list?
>Yes, given the recent high volume of off-topic posts, I think it's clear
the
list is in need of a moderator, at the very least someone who can warn/ban
users who make high volumes of off-topic posts.--
Tony Arcieri
Medioh! A Kudelski Brand
Tony Arcieri wrote:
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Robert Klemme > <shortcutter@googlemail.com>wrote:
Did you just suggest that ruby-talk should become a moderated list?
Yes, given the recent high volume of off-topic posts, I think it's clear
the
list is in need of a moderator, at the very least someone who can
warn/ban
users who make high volumes of off-topic posts.
Tony,
I need to disagree with you here. This idea makes the hair on my neck
stand on end.
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Tony Arcieri wrote:
Did you just suggest that ruby-talk should become a moderated list?
Yes, given the recent high volume of off-topic posts, I think it's clear the
list is in need of a moderator, at the very least someone who can warn/ban
users who make high volumes of off-topic posts.
I am not even sure moderation is a technical possibility. "ruby-talk" is actually an amalgam of a Google user group, a forum, and a mailing list, all of which are different systems run by different people.
Spam is handled decently already. If a thread is off-topic, the community should be able to take care of it or ignore it, letting it die a natural death.
-Justin
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Robert Klemme > <shortcutter@googlemail.com>wrote:
A long time ago, (15.04.10), in a galaxy far, far away, Josh Cheek wrote:
:=Unless things got completely unusable, I'd much prefer if there wasn't
:=someone with the power to kick people off the list whenever the whim struck
:=them. Between spam filters and community policing, I think this list is
:=fine.
It's gotten to an unusable space for me. I regularly delete all messages
after scanning the subjects without reading them. Up until approximately a
month ago I would actually read the majority of the posts to see what is
posted as well as learn from example code posted by others. But given the
recent spate of off-topic garbage the list has pretty much become unusable.
I'm hopeful that something will change and the spammers/off-topic posts will
go elsewhere, but would very much appreciate being able to have someone step
in to stop the madness.
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For what it's worth, I've considered unsubscribing due to the high volume of
off-topic email.
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless things got completely unusable, I'd much prefer if there wasn't
someone with the power to kick people off the list
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Remember to distinguish between "power" and "authority".
Right now, someone, somewhere, has the power to kick people off the list.
The list runs somewhere; someone has the keys to that computer, and can
modify anything on it.
Realistically, you can either have some kind of moderation, or offer a free
spam reflector service complete with malware delivery. I'd recommend
the former.
-s
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On 2010-04-14, Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless things got completely unusable, I'd much prefer if there wasn't
someone with the power to kick people off the list whenever the whim struck
them. Between spam filters and community policing, I think this list is
fine.
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And there is the Google Group as well. Pretty much puts all the worry
about garbage in your inbox to rest.
Of course, if your heart is set on using your inbox, then the trick is
to black list people like thunk --of course then you'll miss it when
thunk actually says something useful... well maybe not, but you get
the point.
I setup the Google Group archive, and I can black list people at that
end if I want, I have never done so (expect obvious spam). I almost
did so for thunk however. But in the end I decided just to give it a
few days, and as usually the noise eventually died down.
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On Apr 14, 10:36 am, Robert Klemme <shortcut...@googlemail.com> wrote:
2010/4/14 Rich McGrath <rich.mcgr...@bitmob.com>:
> Maybe this mailing list might be better suited in a forum.
Well, a mailing list is a forum as well.
Also, please note this:Who maintains ruby-talk? - Ruby - Ruby-Forum
Justin Collins wrote:
I am not even sure moderation is a technical possibility. "ruby-talk" is actually an amalgam of a Google user group, a forum, and a mailing list, all of which are different systems run by different people.
Spam is handled decently already. If a thread is off-topic, the community should be able to take care of it or ignore it, letting it die a natural death.
Exactly correct.
My off-the-top-of-my recollection of annoying threads is that a good deal of the longevity rests with people who continue to engage the original poster.
If some proposed moderator is going to ban people responsible for junk postings, will they also boot people who feed the trolls? They're responsible for the noise problem as well.
Rather than try to change the behavior of trolls and such (you won't, so don't bother), how about reserving that ire for the people who encourage them?
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As someone who has built a supersyndication system (in Ruby!), I completely
do not buy this argument. As far as I am aware, the MLM of
ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org is the central authority of the state of the mailing
list, and everything else is just syndication.
You're arguing that because ruby-talk is syndicated means it's
uncontrollable? Bullshit. Unless I'm confused the MLM is the central
authority.
And, oh by the way, as I referenced in the OP, the MLM is subject to some
pretty ridiculous security vulnerabilities. Anyone can unsubscribe anyone
from ruby-talk, so long as the read it via e-mail. That's silly.
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Justin Collins <justincollins@ucla.edu>wrote:
I am not even sure moderation is a technical possibility. "ruby-talk" is
actually an amalgam of a Google user group, a forum, and a mailing list, all
of which are different systems run by different people.
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Medioh! A Kudelski Brand
Perhaps I've missed something, I thought this was a reaction to Thunk, but
he only posts in a few threads.
I notice you both have email addresses from hosts I'm not familiar with,
perhaps they don't group posts into threads, so you get hit with about ten
times as many messages as I do. That would be frustrating.
I still don't personally support moderation, but if most of the list does,
then we should see what options we have.
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Dylan Northrup <docx@io.com> wrote:
It's gotten to an unusable space for me. I regularly delete all messages
after scanning the subjects without reading them. Up until approximately a
month ago I would actually read the majority of the posts to see what is
posted as well as learn from example code posted by others. But given the
recent spate of off-topic garbage the list has pretty much become unusable.I'm hopeful that something will change and the spammers/off-topic posts
will
go elsewhere, but would very much appreciate being able to have someone
step
in to stop the madness.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@medioh.com>wrote:
For what it's worth, I've considered unsubscribing due to the high volume
of
off-topic email.
While the thunk phase's been pretty annoying it looks like now it's
over. I suggest to wait a month or so and see if things get better: if
not, then I'm all into taking actions against spam and OT.
My 2c,
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On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 01:15 +0900, Tony Arcieri wrote:
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unless things got completely unusable, I'd much prefer if there wasn't
> someone with the power to kick people off the listFor what it's worth, I've considered unsubscribing due to the high volume of
off-topic email.
I have just rescanned my ruby-talk inbox folder - I can't see any'off topic' threads,
what do you mean by off-topic?
There is a wide variety of discussions, many of which I feel free to ignore but because there is no further filtering I often find myself drawn in to an interesting discussion that improves my programming practice.
Are you being a little narrow minded?