Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered

Hi,

We webmasters’ team of ruby-lang.org have reformed our official
site design, so that we can provide natural contents navigation and
just-in-time information about Ruby.

Now we can offer a trial for a future official site. Here we are:

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/en/

And here is Japanese site:

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/ja/

Have a go and look at it.

Our scheme is a double release with ruby 1.6.8; the switchover of
the site will be in the end of this year, unless no critical problems
are found. If you find them, feel free to tell us via this list, or
mail directly to the address below.

Cheers, – ruby-lang.org webmaster team
webmaster@ruby-lang.org

In article 1040016368.023015.27793.nullmailer@picachu.netlab.jp,

Hi,

We webmasters’ team of ruby-lang.org have reformed our official
site design, so that we can provide natural contents navigation and
just-in-time information about Ruby.

Now we can offer a trial for a future official site. Here we are:

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/en/

And here is Japanese site:

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/ja/

Have a go and look at it.

Our scheme is a double release with ruby 1.6.8; the switchover of
the site will be in the end of this year, unless no critical problems
are found. If you find them, feel free to tell us via this list, or
mail directly to the address below.

Cheers, – ruby-lang.org webmaster team
webmaster@ruby-lang.org

I like it!

I appreciate the announcements of Japanese Ruby books (described in
English). The book announced there: “Ruby Hacking Guide” looks quite
interesting. Now if we could only get English versions of some of these
books…

Good work!

Phil

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Yukihiro Matsumoto matz@ruby-lang.org wrote:


"Or perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?"
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In article 1040016368.023015.27793.nullmailer@picachu.netlab.jp,

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Yukihiro Matsumoto matz@ruby-lang.org wrote:

Hi,

We webmasters’ team of ruby-lang.org have reformed our official
site design, so that we can provide natural contents navigation and
just-in-time information about Ruby.

Now we can offer a trial for a future official site. Here we are:

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/en/

And here is Japanese site:

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/ja/

Have a go and look at it.

Our scheme is a double release with ruby 1.6.8; the switchover of
the site will be in the end of this year, unless no critical problems
are found. If you find them, feel free to tell us via this list, or
mail directly to the address below.

BTW: Can you reveal (and/or release) the code you used to create this
site?

Phil

"Or perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?"
Amy Weiss (accusing theregister.co.uk of engaging in ‘tabloid journalism’)
Senior VP, Communications
Recording Industry Association of America

About the trial website, should the FAQ links point to

http://www.rubygarden.org/iowa/faqtotum

?

It’s “temporary” perhaps, in that Dave is planning to reimplement it, but it is
more up-to-date than the current link.

Gavin

Horrible! Those with colour deficient sight will have difficultly with all
that red. Someone needs to do a little web search on colour usage.

But at least it isn’t black-on-black which seems to be the design worlds
current obession.

Regards, Trevor

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:26:19 +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto matz@ruby-lang.org wrote:

Hi,

We webmasters’ team of ruby-lang.org have reformed our official
site design,

<>< Re: deemed!

So now the colour blind have finished whinging, this short-sighted bat
will start…

I force my browser (Mozilla 1.2.1) to use a large font (18 pixel), then
the words in the yellow side box overflow into the white region.

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/en/

Phil,

Looks like it was “generated by tdiary”: http://www.tdiary.org/
Downloadable from: http://www.tdiary.org/20021112.html
(in ruby, japanese docs)

~ Bruce

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On Monday 16 December 2002 01:40 am, Phil Tomson wrote:

BTW: Can you reveal (and/or release) the code you used to create this
site?

Phil


Bruce R. Williams :: [iusris/#ruby-lang] :: http://www.codedbliss.com

‘It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.’
– Samuel Adams

Hi,

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In message “Re: Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered” on 02/12/16, Phil Tomson ptkwt@shell1.aracnet.com writes:

BTW: Can you reveal (and/or release) the code you used to create this
site?

It’s called tDiary http://www.sf.net/projects/tdiary/. The tDiary
maitainers are working on English documents now.

						matz.

Hi, Gavin,

From: “Gavin Sinclair” gsinclair@soyabean.com.au
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:55 PM

About the trial website, should the FAQ links point to

http://www.rubygarden.org/iowa/faqtotum

?

Sure. Thank you.

What a rude… Thanks to FAQ people to building
the great FAQ list.

Regards,
// NaHi

http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/

Tim Bates

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:11 pm, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

Horrible! Those with colour deficient sight will have difficultly with all
that red. Someone needs to do a little web search on colour usage.


tim@bates.id.au

Hi,

We webmasters’ team of ruby-lang.org have reformed our official
site design,

Horrible! Those with colour deficient sight will have difficultly with all
that red. Someone needs to do a little web search on colour usage.

This should be fairly easy to correct, as the site uses CSS stylesheets.
Colour blind people can use a custom stylesheet or use none so that
everything is written black on white. Of course, it’d be great if there
was a link on the top to switch to a high-contrast stylesheet.

Note that these reddish colours are somewhat of a tradition in the Ruby
world, as they suit the “ruby” (gem) idea.

But at least it isn’t black-on-black which seems to be the design worlds
current obession.

Really? I’m glad I don’t browse “commercial” sites.

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On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 06:41:10PM +0900, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:26:19 +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto matz@ruby-lang.org wrote:


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– Linus Torvalds

Never mind the colour deficient, even I’m having trouble with all that
red.

I think it would help a lot to tone down the red in the main content
blocks. The eye is much more sensitive to red than any other colour, so
bright red is much nastier than bright blue or even bright green :slight_smile:

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Horrible! Those with colour deficient sight will have difficultly with
all that red. Someone needs to do a little web search on colour usage.


Thomas ‘Freaky’ Hurst - freaky@aagh.net - http://www.aagh.net/

Hi, John,

Sorry for long silence.

From: John Carter [mailto:john.carter@tait.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:04 AM

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/en/

So now the colour blind have finished whinging, this short-sighted bat
will start…

I force my browser (Mozilla 1.2.1) to use a large font (18
pixel), then
the words in the yellow side box overflow into the white region.

www.ruby-lang.org development team prepared an alternative
style sheet for large font which can be used by user’s choice.

Mozilla users;
Go http://www.ruby-lang.org/ and check “View” -> "Use Style"
menu of Mozilla to find “for large font”.

Opera/7b2 users;
Select “view” -> “style” -> “for large font” at the bottom
of the menu.

For now, plain IE users cannot user alternative style sheet…
I heard that there exists a plugin to enable to use it.

Regards,
// NaHi

Hi,

From: “Bruce Williams” bruce@codedbliss.com
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:14 PM

BTW: Can you reveal (and/or release) the code you used to create this
site?

Looks like it was “generated by tdiary”: http://www.tdiary.org/
Downloadable from: http://www.tdiary.org/20021112.html
(in ruby, japanese docs)

Yes, it’s build on tdiary. But we including the author
of tdiary made some changes to its source for
dev.ruby-lang.org. I’m not a responsible person of tDiary
but the author of tdiary probably is goint to release the
new package with dev.ruby-lang.org extensions for
everybody use.

Anyway, I’ll talk to the author.

Now we have 2 lightweight (extensible with Ruby) blogware;
blogtari and tdiary.
http://www.ruby-lang.org/raa/search.rhtml?search=blog

Regards,
// NaHi

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On Monday 16 December 2002 01:40 am, Phil Tomson wrote:

Hi, all,

From: Tim Bates [mailto:tim@bates.id.au]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:48 PM

Horrible! Those with colour deficient sight will have
difficultly with all
that red. Someone needs to do a little web search
on colour usage.

Definitely. We meant no harm. We had to realize about it.

http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/

Thank you all. I’ll check it.

Regards,
// NaHi

In article 200212160214.05158.bruce@codedbliss.com,

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Bruce Williams bruce@codedbliss.com wrote:

Looks like it was “generated by tdiary”: http://www.tdiary.org/
Downloadable from: http://www.tdiary.org/20021112.html
(in ruby, japanese docs)

Entirely in Japanese unfortunately. It seems to generate very clean code so
it would be nice to have some docs…

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This is just my opinion.

I see no need to choose colors based on readability
by such a small percentage of the population.

FWIW, I did look at the (first) vischeck simulation,
and it didn’t strike me as that bad.

After all, this could theoretically be handled on
the client side (and therefore should be) with a
map of colors or something of that nature.

To me, this is like saying, “Don’t use any text
smaller than

because some people can’t read
it.”

It should be a browser issue, not web design.

No flames about my insensitivity, please. My
grandfather was so color-blind that he never saw
the need for a color TV. :slight_smile:

Hal

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----- Original Message -----
From: “NAKAMURA, Hiroshi” nahi@keynauts.com
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered

Hi, all,

From: Tim Bates [mailto:tim@bates.id.au]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:48 PM

Horrible! Those with colour deficient sight will have
difficultly with all
that red. Someone needs to do a little web search
on colour usage.

Definitely. We meant no harm. We had to realize about it.

http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/

Thank you all. I’ll check it.

Hi,

From: NAKAMURA, Hiroshi [mailto:nahi@keynauts.com]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:53 PM

From: Tim Bates [mailto:tim@bates.id.au]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:48 PM

Horrible! Those with colour deficient sight will have
difficultly with all
that red. Someone needs to do a little web search
on colour usage.

Definitely. We meant no harm. We had to realize about it.

http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/

Thank you all. I’ll check it.

We checked above site to find that our new color scheme
is not easy for protanope (another form of red/green color deficit)
person. We still continues to search how should we do.

Since it seems to take a few days, I droped color definitions
from the css temporalily.

Thank you for all about discussing this issue.

Regards,
// NaHi

For the most part, this is correct. There is still a lot the designer can do
to help the browser out, though. However, dev.ruby-lang.org isn’t too bad in
terms of accessibility - at least it doesn’t have red-on-green, which would
cause more difficulties for the colour blind. For a lot more on designing web
pages to make them more accessible, a handy link is Mark Pilgrim’s “Dive into
Accessibility” at http://diveintoaccessibility.org/

Tim Bates

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:32 pm, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

To me, this is like saying, “Don’t use any text
smaller than

because some people can’t read
it.”

It should be a browser issue, not web design.


tim@bates.id.au

This is just my opinion.

I see no need to choose colors based on readability
by such a small percentage of the population.

FWIW, I did look at the (first) vischeck simulation,
and it didn’t strike me as that bad.

The second one looks like this
http://vischeck.homeip.net/uploads/104003336728849/
(quite similar to the first).

Red and green become dark “dirty” yellow, but it should be OK as long
as we don’t rely on red/green contrast.

After all, this could theoretically be handled on
the client side (and therefore should be) with a
map of colors or something of that nature.

Custom style-sheets, yes.

To me, this is like saying, “Don’t use any text
smaller than

because some people can’t read
it.”

It should be a browser issue, not web design.

No flames about my insensitivity, please. My
grandfather was so color-blind that he never saw
the need for a color TV. :slight_smile:

I guess the vision of most techies sucks, anyway.
Probably 80% of us are short-sighted (myself included :sunglasses:

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On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 07:02:01PM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:


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