Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered

“8% of men and 0.5 percent of women have some form of color blindness. For
some Web sites that could translate to 1 in 12 visitors.”

Which means that up to the time of this reply at least one of the
contributors to this thread probably has some form of colour blindness.
Now such a small percentage when you can name them.

Regards, Trevor

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:02:01 +0900, Hal E. Fulton hal9000@hypermetrics.com wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: “NAKAMURA, Hiroshi” nahi@keynauts.com
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered

Hi, all,

From: Tim Bates [mailto:tim@bates.id.au]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:48 PM

Horrible! Those with colour deficient sight will have
difficultly with all
that red. Someone needs to do a little web search
on colour usage.

Definitely. We meant no harm. We had to realize about it.

Vischeck: About Vischeck

Thank you all. I’ll check it.

This is just my opinion.

I see no need to choose colors based on readability
by such a small percentage of the population.

<>< Re: deemed!

I see no need to choose colors based on readability
by such a small percentage of the population.

Thanks :frowning:

No flames about my insensitivity, please. My
grandfather was so color-blind that he never saw
the need for a color TV. :slight_smile:

There is no need for colors :slight_smile:

Guy Decoux

Wow! A first book on Ruby internals…
I MUST have this! :wink:

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/en/20021211.html

Could someone instigate a publisher, heck, any publisher for a
translation???!

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/en/20021211.html

Wonder if sending mass emails to O’Reilly works? ;-p

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Wai-Sun “Squidster” Chia
Consulting & Integration
Linux/Unix/Web Developer Dude
"Just Another Ruby Miner"

Hal E. Fulton wrote:

I see no need to choose colors based on readability
by such a small percentage of the population.

Your response makes color-blind Rubyists (like me) so angry that we’re
seeing red.

Well, I guess it’s red.

We checked above site to find that our new color scheme
is not easy for protanope (another form of red/green color deficit)
person. We still continues to search how should we do.

Since it seems to take a few days, I droped color definitions
from the css temporalily.

You did not change the Japanese version; no color-blind people in Japan? :wink: (*)

I found this:
http://webdesign.about.com/library/weekly/aa080800a.htm
it might give you some hints.

Thank you for all about discussing this issue.

(*) Surely not, for the standard tests to detect color-blindness were
developed by Dr. Shinobu Ishihara

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 11:35:27AM +0900, NAKAMURA, Hiroshi wrote:


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Wai-Sun Chia wrote:

Wow! A first book on Ruby internals…
I MUST have this! :wink:

me too, but I too do not speak Japanase.
see my other post “any japanese books being translated to english”
10 minutes ago.

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/en/20021211.html

Could someone instigate a publisher, heck, any publisher for a
translation???!

http://dev.ruby-lang.org/en/20021211.html

Wonder if sending mass emails to O’Reilly works? ;-p

might be worth a try. but not only to Oreilly but also to newriders or
addison-wesley, apress, prentice hall

markus

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“Lyle Johnson” lyle@users.sourceforge.net wrote in message
news:3DFDCFA6.5020204@users.sourceforge.net

Hal E. Fulton wrote:

I see no need to choose colors based on readability
by such a small percentage of the population.

Your response makes color-blind Rubyists (like me) so angry that we’re
seeing red.

Well, I guess it’s red.

I’m sorry but I think you are in the wrong newsgroup - Ruby for color-blinds
are at
comp.lang.emerald :wink:

Mikkel

Hal E. Fulton wrote:

I see no need to choose colors based on readability
by such a small percentage of the population.

Your response makes color-blind Rubyists (like me) so angry that we’re
seeing red.

Well, I guess it’s red.

:slight_smile:

OK, I am not opposed to accessibility for
color-blind people. I just like to see it
kept on the browser side.

I don’t know much about CSS, but someone
indicated that it should be easy to make
the colors adjustable on the client side.

And if proper web design can facilitate
that kind of thing, then so be it.

I just don’t want to see a lowest-common-
denominator web or even move in that
direction. That is as bad as the opposite
extreme, in which every page is marked
with “Best viewed with XYZ browser.” A
monochromatic web? “Shades of Grey” like
the Billy Joel song? No, thanks. That would
make the other 91.5% of us effectively
color-blind as well.

But now I’m just ranting pointlessly, and
I will shut up. I’m not color-blind, and
I’m not the designer of ruby-lang.org, so
it is really none of my business.

And it’s certainly not a significant issue
for me. I just happen to like colors. And
rubies are red, so the association is natural.

FWIW, if rubyhacker.com is considered
unreadable by Lyle or Guy or others, I will
change it. I don’t use CSS at all, but I
suppose I could/should.

Cheers,
Hal

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----- Original Message -----
From: “Lyle Johnson” lyle@users.sourceforge.net
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered

Hi,

From: “Mauricio Fernández” batsman.geo@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:16 PM

You did not change the Japanese version; no color-blind people in Japan? :wink: (*)

As you wrote, no. :slight_smile:

We still are changing color schemes. We checked the
vischeck site to find the problem for protanope person.
In Japanese version, we switched color of links for
contrast. It seems that we cab get a little better
result with vischeck test. Anyway, we continue
researching…

I found this:
http://webdesign.about.com/library/weekly/aa080800a.htm
it might give you some hints.

Thank you.

Regards,
// NaHi

Hal E. Fulton wrote:

FWIW, if rubyhacker.com is considered
unreadable by Lyle or Guy or others, I will
change it. I don’t use CSS at all, but I
suppose I could/should.

I can read the new Ruby site, as well as Hal’s web site, just fine. As
Hal well knows, I am just a smart-aleck and you couldn’t pass up the
opportunity to make a joke about my color-blindness :wink:

For me, the contrasting colors (e.g. red text on a white background)
work fine for me. As Tim Bates pointed out, it would be more of an issue
for me if it were, say, red text on a green background or something like
that.

From: “NAKAMURA, Hiroshi” nakahiro@sarion.co.jp
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:12 PM

You did not change the Japanese version; no color-blind people in Japan? :wink: (*)

As you wrote, no. :slight_smile:

Wrong! I mean, “We changed” and “There are in Japan.”

Regards,
// NaHi

Well, actually, it’s red text on a default background (gray for me).

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On Tuesday, 17 December 2002 at 1:42:50 +0900, Lyle Johnson wrote:

Hal E. Fulton wrote:

For me, the contrasting colors (e.g. red text on a white background)


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