On 8 January 2016 at 17:32, Ken D'Ambrosio <ken@jots.org> wrote:
I use Sublime, myself, and agree. That being said, does anyone use
anything in particular for debugging? I love-love-love the CLI, but I
admit that some nice GUI with variables being watched, breakpoints, etc.,
would be really nifty. Suggestions?
I used Atom as well, but went back to sublime. Atom is great editor too,
but again sublime text just feels better for me.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Umang Raghuvanshi <u@umangis.me> wrote:
I personally love Atom (by GitHub). It kinda works with everything, and
is super customizable, even though it doesn't count as an IDE.
Cheers,
Umang.
On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:49 AM, "Tim Förster" <ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> >>> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger <aberger7890@gmail.com>:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not than
using gedit is faster.
Your opinion?
It's a whole lot more than free. If you truly like a tool, $50 can seem pretty darn cheap. If you're trying to see if it works for you, not so much, I think was probably his point. Likewise, I wish I could just *buy* it -- even for a fair bit more, like in the old days. Not wild about subscriptions.
-Ken
···
On January 8, 2016 5:26:54 PM EST, Madalin Ignisca <madalin.ignisca@gmail.com> wrote:
and ~50$/year it's expensive? what is your hourly rate? in EU in
average it
would be 1-2h of work and I think most of us work more then 2h per
year...
*Mădălin Ignișca*
*Web architect & Linux sysadmin*
*MGI Worx* http://www.mgiworx.co.uk/
+44 (0)1484 534864
+44 (0)7474 401442
Huddersfield
UK
On 8 January 2016 at 21:11, Marc Chanliau <marc.chanliau@gmail.com> >wrote:
I'm not a Ruby expert, and RubyMine has helped me a lot organizing my
stuff and understand error messages. You can also do JavaScript with
RubyMine, useful if you do Rails. The only problem is that JetBrains
charges quite a bit for it (about $50 one-year subscription).
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Tim Förster ><ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> >> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger ><aberger7890@gmail.com>:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not
I used Atom as well, but went back to sublime. Atom is great editor too,
but again sublime text just feels better for me.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Umang Raghuvanshi <u@umangis.me> wrote:
I personally love Atom (by GitHub). It kinda works with everything, and
is super customizable, even though it doesn't count as an IDE.
Cheers,
Umang.
On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:49 AM, "Tim Förster" <ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> >> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger <aberger7890@gmail.com >>> >:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not than
using gedit is faster.
Your opinion?
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio <ken@jots.org> wrote:
I use Sublime, myself, and agree. That being said, does anyone use anything in particular for debugging? I love-love-love the CLI, but I admit that some nice GUI with variables being watched, breakpoints, etc., would be really nifty. Suggestions?
Thanks!
-Ken
On 2016-01-08 14:38, Jesus Castello wrote:
I use Atom
2016-01-08 20:27 GMT+01:00 Nathaniel Quashie <nathanielcfa@gmail.com>:
I used Atom as well, but went back to sublime. Atom is great editor too, but again sublime text just feels better for me.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Umang Raghuvanshi <u@umangis.me> wrote:
I personally love Atom (by GitHub). It kinda works with everything, and is super customizable, even though it doesn't count as an IDE.
Cheers,
Umang.
On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:49 AM, "Tim Förster" <ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger <aberger7890@gmail.com>:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not than using gedit is faster.
Your opinion?
On Jan 8, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio <ken@jots.org> wrote:
I use Sublime, myself, and agree. That being said, does anyone use anything in particular for debugging? I love-love-love the CLI, but I admit that some nice GUI with variables being watched, breakpoints, etc., would be really nifty. Suggestions?
Thanks!
-Ken
On 2016-01-08 14:38, Jesus Castello wrote:
I use Atom
2016-01-08 20:27 GMT+01:00 Nathaniel Quashie <nathanielcfa@gmail.com <mailto:nathanielcfa@gmail.com>>:
I used Atom as well, but went back to sublime. Atom is great editor too, but again sublime text just feels better for me.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Umang Raghuvanshi <u@umangis.me <mailto:u@umangis.me>> wrote:
I personally love Atom (by GitHub). It kinda works with everything, and is super customizable, even though it doesn't count as an IDE.
Cheers,
Umang.
On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:49 AM, "Tim Förster" <ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de <mailto:ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de>> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger <aberger7890@gmail.com <mailto:aberger7890@gmail.com>>:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not than using gedit is faster.
Your opinion?
I prefer to use vim because it is a highly customizeable text editor. You could easily deploy your config on each server you want to. Vim is not quite easier than another one, but for each you need to know the shortcuts. Vim is available everytime on every maschine. Take a look at them
···
Am 8. Januar 2016 23:26:54 MEZ, schrieb Madalin Ignisca <madalin.ignisca@gmail.com>:
and ~50$/year it's expensive? what is your hourly rate? in EU in
average it
would be 1-2h of work and I think most of us work more then 2h per
year...
*Mădălin Ignișca*
*Web architect & Linux sysadmin*
*MGI Worx* http://www.mgiworx.co.uk/
+44 (0)1484 534864
+44 (0)7474 401442
Huddersfield
UK
On 8 January 2016 at 21:11, Marc Chanliau <marc.chanliau@gmail.com> >wrote:
I'm not a Ruby expert, and RubyMine has helped me a lot organizing my
stuff and understand error messages. You can also do JavaScript with
RubyMine, useful if you do Rails. The only problem is that JetBrains
charges quite a bit for it (about $50 one-year subscription).
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Tim Förster ><ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> >> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger ><aberger7890@gmail.com>:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not
Try using pry, you can simply set breakpoints by adding the line
bindings.pry in the source code . Also it features a standalone interactive
mode in which you can use the standard shell commands like cd, ls etc for
objects. View the complete docs on github page.
For editor/ide I find my vim configuration to be quite perfect.
···
On 09-Jan-2016 02:02, "Ken D'Ambrosio" <ken@jots.org> wrote:
I use Sublime, myself, and agree. That being said, does anyone use
anything in particular for debugging? I love-love-love the CLI, but I
admit that some nice GUI with variables being watched, breakpoints, etc.,
would be really nifty. Suggestions?
I used Atom as well, but went back to sublime. Atom is great editor too,
but again sublime text just feels better for me.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Umang Raghuvanshi <u@umangis.me> wrote:
I personally love Atom (by GitHub). It kinda works with everything, and
is super customizable, even though it doesn't count as an IDE.
Cheers,
Umang.
On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:49 AM, "Tim Förster" <ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> >>> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger <aberger7890@gmail.com>:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not than
using gedit is faster.
Your opinion?
I’m not a Ruby expert, and RubyMine has helped me a lot organizing my stuff and understand error messages. You can also do JavaScript with RubyMine, useful if you do Rails. The only problem is that JetBrains charges quite a bit for it (about $50 one-year subscription).
Use vim!
Hello
I’ ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not than using gedit is faster.
RubyMine - is the best for me.
It is really Integrated tool. Perfect support for Ruby and Rails, JS and
Coffee, HAML, SASS and more.
A very helpful editor with smart search and one click switch and navigation.
Also detects code smells (some types).
Powerful debugger included.
It is good tool to start and enough to work with.
···
2016-01-09 7:26 GMT+03:00 Jorge Colon Jr <2upmedia@gmail.com>:
I vouch for RubyMine. Intellisense, refactoring tools, inline debugging,
are the biggest points of value for me. Saves me a lot of time.
On Jan 8, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio <ken@jots.org> wrote:
I use Sublime, myself, and agree. That being said, does anyone use
anything in particular for debugging? I love-love-love the CLI, but I
admit that some nice GUI with variables being watched, breakpoints, etc.,
would be really nifty. Suggestions?
I used Atom as well, but went back to sublime. Atom is great editor too,
but again sublime text just feels better for me.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Umang Raghuvanshi <u@umangis.me> wrote:
I personally love Atom (by GitHub). It kinda works with everything, and
is super customizable, even though it doesn't count as an IDE.
Cheers,
Umang.
On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:49 AM, "Tim Förster" <ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> >>> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger <aberger7890@gmail.com>:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not than
using gedit is faster.
Your opinion?
I've been using Vim for about 12 years. Last year I gave RubyMine a try and
I'm hooked! Code navigation, refactorings and autocompletion are unmatched.
I think that it's important to try new tools from time to time. I tried
Emacs for about 6 months but got back to Vim. I changed my desktop
environment from Openbox to Xfce to Gnome to OS X. Even if you go back to
your original choice after a week or month you'll learn something. Explore,
experiment and have fun!
Best regards
···
--
Greg Navis
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio <ken@jots.org> wrote:
It's a whole lot more than free. If you truly like a tool, $50 can seem
pretty darn cheap. If you're trying to see if it works for you, not so
much, I think was probably his point. Likewise, I wish I could just *buy*
it -- even for a fair bit more, like in the old days. Not wild about
subscriptions.
-Ken
On January 8, 2016 5:26:54 PM EST, Madalin Ignisca < > madalin.ignisca@gmail.com> wrote:
and ~50$/year it's expensive? what is your hourly rate? in EU in average
it would be 1-2h of work and I think most of us work more then 2h per
year...
*Mădălin Ignișca*
*Web architect & Linux sysadmin*
*MGI Worx* http://www.mgiworx.co.uk/
+44 (0)1484 534864
+44 (0)7474 401442
Huddersfield
UK
On 8 January 2016 at 21:11, Marc Chanliau <marc.chanliau@gmail.com> >> wrote:
I'm not a Ruby expert, and RubyMine has helped me a lot organizing my
stuff and understand error messages. You can also do JavaScript with
RubyMine, useful if you do Rails. The only problem is that JetBrains
charges quite a bit for it (about $50 one-year subscription).
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Tim Förster <ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> >>> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger <aberger7890@gmail.com >>>> >:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not than
using gedit is faster.
Your opinion?
Just try some editors that you think fit to you, but using it for more that
hour, day or week. When you feel that current editor not yours, try next
and inevitably you will find the answer.
···
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 at 02:49, Martin Phee <martyphee@gmail.com> wrote:
JetBrains tools have stayed pretty consistent without major overhauls.
I've used than for MANY years. IntelliJ, WebStorm, PyCharm and RubyMine.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Perry E. Metzger <perry@piermont.com> > wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:14:39 +0100 A Berger <aberger7890@gmail.com> >> wrote:
> Hello
> I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
> On short: Most developers use vi
> What do experts use mainly today?
> If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not
> than using gedit is faster.
> Your opinion?
Emacs and vi/vim are reasonable choices for most developers,
especially in so far as investment in learning them very well will
help you for decades. Proprietary editors inevitably vanish when the
developers get tired of cranking out new versions and then you have
to get used to a different environment again.
I use pry for my debugging as well. It's basically the first gem that
gets added to all my gemfiles.
···
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Nemo Nautilius <nemodevops@gmail.com> wrote:
Try using pry, you can simply set breakpoints by adding the line
bindings.pry in the source code . Also it features a standalone interactive
mode in which you can use the standard shell commands like cd, ls etc for
objects. View the complete docs on github page.
For editor/ide I find my vim configuration to be quite perfect.
On 09-Jan-2016 02:02, "Ken D'Ambrosio" <ken@jots.org> wrote:
I use Sublime, myself, and agree. That being said, does anyone use
anything in particular for debugging? I love-love-love the CLI, but I admit
that some nice GUI with variables being watched, breakpoints, etc., would be
really nifty. Suggestions?
I used Atom as well, but went back to sublime. Atom is great editor too,
but again sublime text just feels better for me.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Umang Raghuvanshi <u@umangis.me> wrote:
I personally love Atom (by GitHub). It kinda works with everything, and
is super customizable, even though it doesn't count as an IDE.
Cheers,
Umang.
On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:49 AM, "Tim Förster" <ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> >>>> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger >>>>> <aberger7890@gmail.com>:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not than
using gedit is faster.
Your opinion?
2016-01-09 15:22 GMT-08:00 Greg Navis <contact@gregnavis.com>:
I've been using Vim for about 12 years. Last year I gave RubyMine a try
and I'm hooked! Code navigation, refactorings and autocompletion are
unmatched.
I think that it's important to try new tools from time to time. I tried
Emacs for about 6 months but got back to Vim. I changed my desktop
environment from Openbox to Xfce to Gnome to OS X. Even if you go back to
your original choice after a week or month you'll learn something. Explore,
experiment and have fun!
Best regards
--
Greg Navis
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio <ken@jots.org> wrote:
It's a whole lot more than free. If you truly like a tool, $50 can seem
pretty darn cheap. If you're trying to see if it works for you, not so
much, I think was probably his point. Likewise, I wish I could just *buy*
it -- even for a fair bit more, like in the old days. Not wild about
subscriptions.
-Ken
On January 8, 2016 5:26:54 PM EST, Madalin Ignisca < >> madalin.ignisca@gmail.com> wrote:
and ~50$/year it's expensive? what is your hourly rate? in EU in average
it would be 1-2h of work and I think most of us work more then 2h per
year...
*Mădălin Ignișca*
*Web architect & Linux sysadmin*
*MGI Worx* http://www.mgiworx.co.uk/
+44 (0)1484 534864
+44 (0)7474 401442
Huddersfield
UK
On 8 January 2016 at 21:11, Marc Chanliau <marc.chanliau@gmail.com> >>> wrote:
I'm not a Ruby expert, and RubyMine has helped me a lot organizing my
stuff and understand error messages. You can also do JavaScript with
RubyMine, useful if you do Rails. The only problem is that JetBrains
charges quite a bit for it (about $50 one-year subscription).
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Tim Förster <ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> >>>> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger < >>>>> aberger7890@gmail.com>:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not
than using gedit is faster.
Your opinion?
2016-01-09 5:29 GMT-08:00 Иванищев Алексей <zoneiva@gmail.com>:
RubyMine - is the best for me.
It is really Integrated tool. Perfect support for Ruby and Rails, JS and
Coffee, HAML, SASS and more.
A very helpful editor with smart search and one click switch and
navigation.
Also detects code smells (some types).
Powerful debugger included.
It is good tool to start and enough to work with.
2016-01-09 7:26 GMT+03:00 Jorge Colon Jr <2upmedia@gmail.com>:
I vouch for RubyMine. Intellisense, refactoring tools, inline debugging,
are the biggest points of value for me. Saves me a lot of time.
On Jan 8, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio <ken@jots.org> wrote:
I use Sublime, myself, and agree. That being said, does anyone use
anything in particular for debugging? I love-love-love the CLI, but I
admit that some nice GUI with variables being watched, breakpoints, etc.,
would be really nifty. Suggestions?
I used Atom as well, but went back to sublime. Atom is great editor too,
but again sublime text just feels better for me.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Umang Raghuvanshi <u@umangis.me> wrote:
I personally love Atom (by GitHub). It kinda works with everything, and
is super customizable, even though it doesn't count as an IDE.
Cheers,
Umang.
On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:49 AM, "Tim Förster" <ruby@mailserver.1n3t.de> >>>> wrote:
Use vim!
Am 8. Januar 2016 20:14:39 MEZ, schrieb A Berger < >>>>> aberger7890@gmail.com>:
Hello
I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
On short: Most developers use vi
What do experts use mainly today?
If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not
than using gedit is faster.
Your opinion?
Just try some editors that you think fit to you, but using it for more
that hour, day or week. When you feel that current editor not yours, try
next and inevitably you will find the answer.
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 at 02:49, Martin Phee <martyphee@gmail.com> wrote:
JetBrains tools have stayed pretty consistent without major overhauls.
I've used than for MANY years. IntelliJ, WebStorm, PyCharm and RubyMine.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Perry E. Metzger <perry@piermont.com> >> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:14:39 +0100 A Berger <aberger7890@gmail.com> >>> wrote:
> Hello
> I' ve read all articles about this in the internet
> On short: Most developers use vi
> What do experts use mainly today?
> If you know all shoetcuts in vi, than its super-efficient, of not
> than using gedit is faster.
> Your opinion?
Emacs and vi/vim are reasonable choices for most developers,
especially in so far as investment in learning them very well will
help you for decades. Proprietary editors inevitably vanish when the
developers get tired of cranking out new versions and then you have
to get used to a different environment again.
