I'm _very_ impressed by the civility of this thread. It's almost as if
ruby-talk is real people, not just online hermits who cannot care about each
other by nature/. I seriously cannot recall any online political debate this
flameless.
Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation in
this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are you guys
older than /.ers?
"Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?
"Ruby: programming for people, not just geeks" ?
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"David Morton" <mortonda@gmail.com> wrote:
Nevertheless, as others have said, knowing someone else on this list
is for Kerry doesn't change my opinion of them, and this list has
earned my respect for being much more civil and intelligent than many
other language or technology lists. Thank you all for that.
Nevertheless, as others have said, knowing someone else on this list
is for Kerry doesn't change my opinion of them, and this list has
earned my respect for being much more civil and intelligent than many
other language or technology lists. Thank you all for that.
I'm _very_ impressed by the civility of this thread. It's almost as if ruby-talk is real people, not just online hermits who cannot care about each other by nature/. I seriously cannot recall any online political debate this flameless.
Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation in this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are you guys older than /.ers?
"Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?
"Ruby: programming for people, not just geeks" ?
you are right, its suprising. Even on newsgroups the slight mention of politics, likenesses, etc would result in trolls or being called a troll.
Well, one thing that helps is that the Ruby community is still quite small. Many of the people who frequent this list are people that I've been lucky enough to meet at RubyConf, which last time was only 60 people, keep in mind. So you have to be considerate when you talk about something even heated like this. For one thing, you've met some of these people before and you know they're probably alright people even if their opinions are vastly different from yours. For another thing, you'll probably see them again
Of course, as the Ruby community grows, this dynamic will probably change ...
F.
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On Nov 3, 2004, at 8:48 PM, Dave Burt wrote:
"David Morton" <mortonda@gmail.com> wrote:
Nevertheless, as others have said, knowing someone else on this list
is for Kerry doesn't change my opinion of them, and this list has
earned my respect for being much more civil and intelligent than many
other language or technology lists. Thank you all for that.
I'm _very_ impressed by the civility of this thread. It's almost as if
ruby-talk is real people, not just online hermits who cannot care about each
other by nature/. I seriously cannot recall any online political debate this
flameless.
Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation in
this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are you guys
older than /.ers?
"Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?
Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation in this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are you guys older than /.ers?
"Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?
"Ruby: programming for people, not just geeks" ?
Au contraire, we're so geeky that we save energy to burn huge flames on incredibly little geeky problems
Seriously, the community almost completely is made of nice people.
"almost" is because of, well, you know, someone may have a bad day from time to time.
Oh, and don't forget the #ruby-lang motto "please keep your language clean"
In my experience a community adopts the customs of its leaders. In our
case, that'd be Matz.
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:42:15 GMT, "Dave Burt" <burtdav@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm _very_ impressed by the civility of this thread. It's almost as if
ruby-talk is real people, not just online hermits who cannot care about each
other by nature/. I seriously cannot recall any online political debate this
flameless.
Why? Is it something about Ruby? I feel sure, with the representation in
this thread of the list, there's a correlation to be made. Age? Are you guys
older than /.ers?
"Ruby: polite people's programming language of choice" ?
In my experience a community adopts the customs of its leaders.
Only if the community is small. There's not a nicer guy on the planet than Larry Wall, but it's a stretch to imagine that thousands of Perl programmers worldwide are affected by that, or even know it.
Personally, I have very strong feelings about the election (unhappy with the
result). However, if I started discussing it here I would quickly get angry
and say some harsh and insulting things to people who I otherwise like and
respect. That was my reason for not contributing to this thread (until now).
I expect there are others who feel the same way. I value the atmosphere of
this list too much to engage in this.
If the list is civilised, (most) people who join will also want to be
civilised. If this list was full of flamewars all the time then I would
certainly be jumping in and smokin' some folks
Thanks to everyone for the restraint shown in this thread!
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In article <418A19C4.8080906@semantico.com>, Peter Hickman wrote:
Actually the political *debate* came to RT very late. Other ML/NG have
been having various rants for quite a few weeks now.
You are of course correct. The example set by Matz will be attenuated
as the Ruby community grows. This is one of the reasons I have mixed
emotions about such growth.
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 03:17:35 +0900, Steven Jenkins <steven.jenkins@ieee.org> wrote:
Tim Hunter wrote:
In my experience a community adopts the customs of its leaders.
Only if the community is small. There's not a nicer guy on the planet
than Larry Wall, but it's a stretch to imagine that thousands of Perl
programmers worldwide are affected by that, or even know it.
Personally, I have very strong feelings about the election (unhappy with
the
result). However, if I started discussing it here I would quickly get
angry
and say some harsh and insulting things to people who I otherwise like and
respect. That was my reason for not contributing to this thread (until
now).
I expect there are others who feel the same way. I value the atmosphere of
this list too much to engage in this.
If the list is civilised, (most) people who join will also want to be
civilised. If this list was full of flamewars all the time then I would
certainly be jumping in and smokin' some folks
Thanks to everyone for the restraint shown in this thread!
... The example set by Matz will be attenuated
as the Ruby community grows. This is one of the reasons I have mixed
emotions about such growth.
Can this negative effect be attenuated by RL events such as RubyCon and
general mentoring-type behaviour on-list? I, for one, hope so, because
growth of the Ruby community is (apart from this issue) a Good Thing.
Yes, and also don't forget to think about starting a local Ruby group if there isn't already one in your area. I started one in NYC a year ago. It's quite small (the biggest meeting was 7 people), but extremely rewarding. And as a plus, the creation of the group led directly to one extra person going down to RubyConf this year, so, you know, you can make a tiny difference by doing the grunt work of setting up a mailing list and finding the right cafe with WiFi.
F.
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On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:58 PM, Dave Burt wrote:
"Tim Hunter" <sastph@sas.com>:
... The example set by Matz will be attenuated
as the Ruby community grows. This is one of the reasons I have mixed
emotions about such growth.
Can this negative effect be attenuated by RL events such as RubyCon and
general mentoring-type behaviour on-list? I, for one, hope so, because
growth of the Ruby community is (apart from this issue) a Good Thing.
If you don't mind my asking, how did you locate members? I would love to get a local group going, but I have no idea how to find Ruby programmers nearby. Any tips you might have would be helpful.
Of course, if you have 7 regulars in New York, I'm betting my chances in Oklahoma are mighty slim.
James Edward Gray II
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On Nov 5, 2004, at 1:23 PM, Francis Hwang wrote:
Yes, and also don't forget to think about starting a local Ruby group if there isn't already one in your area. I started one in NYC a year ago. It's quite small (the biggest meeting was 7 people), but extremely rewarding.
Yes, and also don't forget to think about starting a local Ruby group if there isn't already one in your area. I started one in NYC a year ago. It's quite small (the biggest meeting was 7 people), but extremely rewarding.
If you don't mind my asking, how did you locate members? I would love to get a local group going, but I have no idea how to find Ruby programmers nearby. Any tips you might have would be helpful.
Me, I just set up a page at Yahoo Groups, then I announced it, to ruby-talk, and a few other local techie groups I knew about (the local XP group, the local Lisp group, etc.)
Of course, if you have 7 regulars in New York, I'm betting my chances in Oklahoma are mighty slim.
You never know. New York is big but it's not so great of a techie city. It's more of the old world. And you're competing for people's time out here; everybody I know is super-busy doing work, going to shows, readings, openings, etc., etc., etc. The Ruby-NYC mailing list has about 20 people; about half of those have been too busy to ever come to a meeting. I've never been to Oklahoma, but I'm willing to bet that there are less distractions.
F.
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On Nov 5, 2004, at 2:58 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:
In article <FF700712-2F64-11D9-9389-000A95BA45F8@grayproductions.net>,
Yes, and also don't forget to think about starting a local Ruby group
if there isn't already one in your area. I started one in NYC a year
ago. It's quite small (the biggest meeting was 7 people), but
extremely rewarding.
If you don't mind my asking, how did you locate members? I would love
to get a local group going, but I have no idea how to find Ruby
programmers nearby. Any tips you might have would be helpful.
We've got a Ruby group going here in the Portland (OR) area as well. We
probably average about 5 people. I would suggest that you find a local
Perl Mongers group (that's what they call it here) if you are familiar
with Perl and after they get to know you a bit suggest that you would be
interested in doing a presentation on Ruby. After that you might be able
to get some people interested in a Ruby group.
Phil
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James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:
They've recently upgraded their site, and it's MUCH more flexible and works very well for organizing things. I'd encourage you to give it a spin if you're thinking of starting a group up. Also have a look at:
