Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the original posting?
This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into this?
James Edward Gray II
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On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the original posting?
James Edward Gray II ha scritto:
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On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the original posting?
This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into this?
James Edward Gray II
I just noticed this too, for example I can read ruby-talk:204879 (
message-id: <aedd94e4dbd9e842aa0047cbf8c85fac@ruby-forum.com> )
but not the message it was replying to (In-reply-to: <44C6CEB6.6020108@netpromi.com>).
I'm on the nntp side of the gw.
James Edward Gray II wrote:
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On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the original posting?
This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into this?
James Edward Gray II
If you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears the replies by Robert Dober are Not being posted but you can see the quoted material in subsequent replies by others.
Michael W. Ryder wrote:
James Edward Gray II wrote:
Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the original posting?
This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into this?
James Edward Gray II
If you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears the replies by Robert Dober are Not being posted but you can see the quoted material in subsequent replies by others.
Part of the reason I asked this question is that I see posts that I assume are replying to other posts that do not include any quoted material which really makes it hard to follow.
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On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
James Edward Gray II ha scritto:
Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the original posting?
This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into this?
James Edward Gray III just noticed this too, for example I can read ruby-talk:204879 (
message-id: <aedd94e4dbd9e842aa0047cbf8c85fac@ruby-forum.com> )
but not the message it was replying to (In-reply-to: <44C6CEB6.6020108@netpromi.com>).
OK, just so I'm clear, you do see this message:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/204879
but you do not see this one:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/203921
I'm on the nntp side of the gw.
I'm on the mailing list and as you can see from the links above it did seem to receive both. Let me check the newsgroup...
Hmmm, Google Groups does show both messages:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/0259073f7774cd0d
and:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edcc44c92f04e
Am I missing something here?
James Edward Gray II
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On Jul 31, 2006, at 12:35 PM, gabriele renzi wrote:
On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
You're telling me that you are missing these two messages, right?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edcc44c92f04e
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edcc44c92f04e
Hmm, yes. I can't find either of those on Google Groups. You use the newsgroup, not the mailing list, right?
Let me look into these two messages and see what I can learn...
James Edward Gray II
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On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:25 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
James Edward Gray II wrote:
On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the original posting?
This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into this?
James Edward Gray IIIf you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears the replies by Robert Dober are Not being posted but you can see the quoted material in subsequent replies by others.
I screwed up those links. I meant:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/202655
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/202680
Sorry for the confusion.
James Edward Gray II
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On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:46 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:
On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:25 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
James Edward Gray II wrote:
On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the original posting?
This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into this?
James Edward Gray IIIf you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears the replies by Robert Dober are Not being posted but you can see the quoted material in subsequent replies by others.
You're telling me that you are missing these two messages, right?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edcc44c92f04e
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edcc44c92f04e
I looked into this but lacked the log information I needed to track down what really happened with these. I've added more logging to the gateway that I hope would help me zero in on the problem, should it happen again.
Please keep an eye out for these mysterious missing messages in the future and sick me on them when they occur. I will then look into those messages, cross check the logs, and see if I can eliminate whatever issue is eating messages.
Thank you.
James Edward Gray II
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On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:46 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:
Let me look into these two messages and see what I can learn...
James Edward Gray II wrote:
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On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:46 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:
Let me look into these two messages and see what I can learn...
I looked into this but lacked the log information I needed to track down what really happened with these. I've added more logging to the gateway that I hope would help me zero in on the problem, should it happen again.
Please keep an eye out for these mysterious missing messages in the future and sick me on them when they occur. I will then look into those messages, cross check the logs, and see if I can eliminate whatever issue is eating messages.
Thank you.
James Edward Gray II
It seems to be a problem with the postings with certain users. If one message is missing from a poster they all are.
------=_Part_81117_24403003.1153300936075
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline
And
------=_Part_82136_1234888.1153309282756
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline
HTML posts, probably.
Bingo :
Jul 19 11:22:46 talisker nnrpd[24018]: bristol.highgroove.com post failed 437 HTML post
Jul 19 13:41:53 talisker nnrpd[39409]: bristol.highgroove.com post failed 437 HTML post
(Based on the posting date - I'm in GMT+2 right now.)
Now, I could disable the filter, but the posts might not go far on
usenet anyway, I'm afraid.
Fred
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Le 31 juillet 2006 à 22:56, James Edward Gray II a écrit :
I screwed up those links. I meant:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/202655
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/202680
--
If there were no desire to heal
The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen here
I certainly would've walked away by now. (Tool, The Patient)
Excellent catch Fred!
I'm open to any suggestions for how we could improve this... Perhaps we need a Ruby Quiz to textify HTML messages. 
James Edward Gray II
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On Jul 31, 2006, at 6:30 PM, F. Senault wrote:
Le 31 juillet 2006 à 22:56, James Edward Gray II a écrit :
I screwed up those links. I meant:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/202655
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/202680
------=_Part_81117_24403003.1153300936075
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inlineAnd
------=_Part_82136_1234888.1153309282756
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inlineHTML posts, probably.
Bingo :
Jul 19 11:22:46 talisker nnrpd[24018]: bristol.highgroove.com post failed 437 HTML post
Jul 19 13:41:53 talisker nnrpd[39409]: bristol.highgroove.com post failed 437 HTML post(Based on the posting date - I'm in GMT+2 right now.)
Now, I could disable the filter, but the posts might not go far on
usenet anyway, I'm afraid.
Heh. I had to do it for a small project of mine [1] and I used the
brute force unixy approach - pipe everything into a program much better
at it than I :
/usr/local/bin/links -dump -force-html
-html-assume-codepage iso8859-15
-codepage iso8859-15 -width 76
Now, I suspect those messages are multipart (/alternative) messages, so
we nearly always gave a text part. It should be possible with the
rubymail project, or with a custom MIME parser.
I've already done it in perl, I'll take a look at the portability of the
code. I expect it top be quite low, though... :}
Fred
[1] http://news.lacave.net/rss/ - main page in French, but most parts
are in English... or in ruby... 
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Le 1 août 2006 à 02:18, James Edward Gray II a écrit :
On Jul 31, 2006, at 6:30 PM, F. Senault wrote:
Now, I could disable the filter, but the posts might not go far on
usenet anyway, I'm afraid.Excellent catch Fred!
I'm open to any suggestions for how we could improve this... Perhaps
we need a Ruby Quiz to textify HTML messages.
--
Why was I one of the chosen ones?
Until the fight I could not see
The magic and the strength of my power
It was beyond my wildest dreams (Within Temptation, Dark Wings)
James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> writes:
I'm open to any suggestions for how we could improve this... Perhaps
we need a Ruby Quiz to textify HTML messages.
No, just make the ruby-talk list reject HTML messages as soon as possible.
Christian Neukirchen wrote:
James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> writes:
I'm open to any suggestions for how we could improve this... Perhaps
we need a Ruby Quiz to textify HTML messages.No, just make the ruby-talk list reject HTML messages as soon as
possible.
...i know this is a little off topic...but i went to ruby-forum.com to
SEARCH this list and could not...the error was the search has been
disabled due to a technical problem...what gives???
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The best way to search the list archives is either through searching
comp.lang.ruby on http://groups.google.com or to search using Namazu at
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtml
Alex
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On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:40, Dave Rose wrote:
...i know this is a little off topic...but i went to ruby-forum.com to
SEARCH this list and could not...the error was the search has been
disabled due to a technical problem...what gives???
Or use Gmane, which has a decent web interface. The interface at
Namazu is horrible - I don't think I've ever remembered what button
does what until clicking on a few blindly. Not to mention they all
are about 2px by 2px.
- Rob
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On 8/1/06, A. S. Bradbury <asbradbury@tekcentral.org> wrote:
On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:40, Dave Rose wrote:
> ...i know this is a little off topic...but i went to ruby-forum.com to
> SEARCH this list and could not...the error was the search has been
> disabled due to a technical problem...what gives???The best way to search the list archives is either through searching
comp.lang.ruby on http://groups.google.com or to search using Namazu at
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtmlAlex
Wow, I don't think I have ever seen the words "Gmane" and "decent" in the same sentence before.
James Edward Gray II
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On Aug 1, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Rob Sanheim wrote:
Or use Gmane, which has a decent web interface.
Rob Sanheim wrote:
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On 8/1/06, A. S. Bradbury <asbradbury@tekcentral.org> wrote:
On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:40, Dave Rose wrote:
> ...i know this is a little off topic...but i went to ruby-forum.com to
> SEARCH this list and could not...the error was the search has been
> disabled due to a technical problem...what gives???The best way to search the list archives is either through searching
comp.lang.ruby on http://groups.google.com or to search using Namazu at
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtmlAlex
Or use Gmane, which has a decent web interface. The interface at
Namazu is horrible - I don't think I've ever remembered what button
does what until clicking on a few blindly. Not to mention they all
are about 2px by 2px.- Rob
Hovering over them tells you what they do
-Justin
Compared to one at http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/, its definitely "decent". =)
- rob
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On 8/1/06, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:
On Aug 1, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Rob Sanheim wrote:
> Or use Gmane, which has a decent web interface.
Wow, I don't think I have ever seen the words "Gmane" and "decent" in
the same sentence before.James Edward Gray II