Folks,
I’m sorry I have to bring up this issue again. But there are definitely
postings that don’t get through from the list to the NG. I start getting
slightly annoyed by this, because it makes following threads hard that are
fed from both sides… 
Please, can anybody take care of this?
Kind regards
robertI'm sorry I have to bring up this issue again. But there are definitely
postings that don't get through from the list to the NG. I start getting
slightly annoyed by this, because it makes following threads hard that are
fed from both sides...
Well, this is the gateway which has problem or it's just a bad propagation
on USENET ?
Guy Decoux
Folks,
I’m sorry I have to bring up this issue again. But there are definitely
postings that don’t get through from the list to the NG. I start
getting slightly annoyed by this, because it makes following threads
hard that are fed from both sides…Please, can anybody take care of this?
Surely it’s time the gateway code was put on RubyForge, enhanced with
proper logging (assuming it’s not already) and the logs made available for
public consumption?
Gavin
Gavin, excelent idea… I vote yes on this too.
For instance, postings from David Black doesn’t show up on the
newsgroup (at least where I am)… which is a shame.
I don’t know how many other persons I which is invisible in that way.
Sometimes I find important replies on ruby-talk, months after the
discussion took place. It would be really nice to get the gateway
fixed.
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:22:27 +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
I’m sorry I have to bring up this issue again. But there are definitely
postings that don’t get through from the list to the NG. I start
getting slightly annoyed by this, because it makes following threads
hard that are fed from both sides…Please, can anybody take care of this?
Surely it’s time the gateway code was put on RubyForge, enhanced with
proper logging (assuming it’s not already) and the logs made available for
public consumption?Gavin
–
Simon Strandgaard
“ts” decoux@moulon.inra.fr schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:200404190919.i3J9JRw00518@moulon.inra.fr…
I’m sorry I have to bring up this issue again. But there are
definitely
postings that don’t get through from the list to the NG. I start
getting
slightly annoyed by this, because it makes following threads hard
that are
fed from both sides…Well, this is the gateway which has problem or it’s just a bad
propagation
on USENET ?
IMHO the gateway is the much more likely cause since I don’t observe this
phenomenon in other technical newsgroups which I assume have a similar
distribution of posters. No 100% proof of course…
Kind regards
robert
Simon Strandgaard wrote:
I’m sorry I have to bring up this issue again. But there are definitely
postings that don’t get through from the list to the NG. I start
getting slightly annoyed by this, because it makes following threads
hard that are fed from both sides…Please, can anybody take care of this?
Surely it’s time the gateway code was put on RubyForge, enhanced with
proper logging (assuming it’s not already) and the logs made available for
public consumption?Gavin
Gavin, excelent idea… I vote yes on this too.
For instance, postings from David Black doesn’t show up on the
newsgroup (at least where I am)… which is a shame.
I don’t know how many other persons I which is invisible in that way.
Sometimes I find important replies on ruby-talk, months after the
discussion took place. It would be really nice to get the gateway
fixed.
Just wanted to let know I also access the newsgroup and that I would
greatly appreciate if the gateway was fixed. I won’t be able to help on
the coding though 
Raph
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:22:27 +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
–
Simon Strandgaard
For instance, postings from David Black doesn't show up on the
newsgroup (at least where I am).. which is a shame.
Well, at least for the thread "New Local Variable Scope rule" David Alan
Black posted from USENET and I from ruby-talk.
Now, on my news servers I have the same article than in my mailbox.
You can't solve a bad USENET propagation, with the gateway.
Guy Decoux
Hmm. I think its time for me to switch away from Usenet, and
use the ruby-talk mailinglist instead.
For usenet I use ‘pan’… Can anyone recommend a good
mail client, which can show threads?
some kind of lightweight GUI mailclient for unix ?
Thanks in advance
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:07:21 +0900, ts wrote:
For instance, postings from David Black doesn’t show up on the
newsgroup (at least where I am)… which is a shame.Well, at least for the thread “New Local Variable Scope rule” David Alan
Black posted from USENET and I from ruby-talk.Now, on my news servers I have the same article than in my mailbox.
You can’t solve a bad USENET propagation, with the gateway.
–
Simon Strandgaard
“ts” decoux@moulon.inra.fr schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:200404191207.i3JC7FZ08573@moulon.inra.fr…
For instance, postings from David Black doesn’t show up on the
newsgroup (at least where I am)… which is a shame.Well, at least for the thread “New Local Variable Scope rule” David
Alan
Black posted from USENET and I from ruby-talk.Now, on my news servers I have the same article than in my mailbox.
Hm, noone claimed that no messages get through. But it seems that the
GW does eat messages. For example the thread “How do you know it quacks
like a duck?” starts with a reply on my news server. Are there others
that observe the same problem with this particular thread?
You can’t solve a bad USENET propagation, with the gateway.
True. If it’s the usenet propagation.
Regards
robert
Hi –
ts decoux@moulon.inra.fr writes:
For instance, postings from David Black doesn’t show up on the
newsgroup (at least where I am)… which is a shame.Well, at least for the thread “New Local Variable Scope rule” David Alan
Black posted from USENET and I from ruby-talk.
What I’ve been doing is reading ruby-talk (so that I see everything)
and switching to Usenet to reply (so that everyone will see what I
write). Not very convenient.
Now, on my news servers I have the same article than in my mailbox.
Here are a few of the ones that never made it to Google Groups or to
my Usenet provider. If your news server received any of these, please
forward to me with all the headers:
91281
91536
92714
92846
92847
Thanks.
You can’t solve a bad USENET propagation, with the gateway.
The gateway code does not appear to reject my messages (based on some
local tests), so whatever’s happening is further along the chain. I
think Dennis was going to talk to the news admins and see what might
be happening (not sure if he has yet).
David
–
David A. Black
dblack@wobblini.net
ts wrote:
Now, on my news servers I have the same article than in my mailbox.
That’s very interesting, Guy.
Can you find any from the list below on your news server ?
Random searches on Google from this list show gaps and I’m sure
Ggl will take feeds down more than one route.
daz
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Apologies for the long sig. Please delete to end if replying.
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Within “X-Mail-Count:” range 94100…96620
~(03 Mar 2004 → 06 Apr 2004)
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6 - Michael Campbell
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5 - Nick Faiz
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1 - “Grant Schoep”
[95578]
1 - “Warren Brown”
[94758]
4 - “Zach Dennis”
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7 - David Naseby
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2 - Chris Pine
[96525, 96528]
1 - “Chris Pine”
[96190]
1 - Masao Mutoh
[94597]
30 - Sam Roberts
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1 - Bret Pettichord
[95870]
2 - “Mills Thomas (app1tam)”
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7 - “Peña,_Botp”
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1 - “Gavri Savio Fernandez”
[94111]
4 - “rolo”
[95274, 95930, 96587, 96609]
2 - Michael campbell
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1 - “Alexey Verhovsky”
[96007]
8 - Ruby Ruby
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3 - walter
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3 - “Mike J.”
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1 - “Thomas Luedeke”
[94378]
18 - “Mehr, Assaph (Assaph)”
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8 - Anders Bengtsson
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13 - Kirk Haines
[94430, 94506, 94524, 94579, 94950, 95026, 95119, 95377, 96240, 96259, 96399, 96412, 96415]
2 - David Alan Black
[94322, 94440]
1 - “Bruce D’Arcus”
[94271]
1 - “Mike Iles”
[96594]
1 - Joao Pedrosa
[96589]
2 - “Sabyasachi Mustafi”
[95820, 95902]
3 - “Tom Copeland”
[95061, 95084, 96448]
4 - mlipper
[95024, 95234, 95251, 95353]
2 - Shashank Date
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5 - Thomas Adam
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1 - “Oliver Smith”
[96616]
3 - “Allton, Paul”
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[96454]
1 - “Jason Voegele”
[95842]
1 - Austin Ziegler
[95189]
1 - “Mike Wilson”
[94386]
13 - “Curt Hibbs”
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[96462]
1 - “Chris Williams”
[96449]
3 - “yannick”
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1 - <Josh_Neland>
[95243]
1 - curt hibbs
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[94728, 94739, 94744]
1 - “Robert McGovern”
[94553]
5 - Matt Lawrence
[94238, 95134, 95648, 95974, 96421]
======================================================================
“Simon Strandgaard” neoneye@adslhome.dk schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:pan.2004.04.19.12.23.06.186938@adslhome.dk…
For instance, postings from David Black doesn’t show up on the
newsgroup (at least where I am)… which is a shame.Well, at least for the thread “New Local Variable Scope rule” David
Alan
Black posted from USENET and I from ruby-talk.Now, on my news servers I have the same article than in my mailbox.
You can’t solve a bad USENET propagation, with the gateway.
Hmm. I think its time for me to switch away from Usenet, and
use the ruby-talk mailinglist instead.For usenet I use ‘pan’… Can anyone recommend a good
mail client, which can show threads?
some kind of lightweight GUI mailclient for unix ?
Thanks in advance
mutt - no graphical UI but very nice handling of MIME and threads and it
has elaborate configuration options.
robert
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:07:21 +0900, ts wrote:
Yes, the reply was the first thing also saw.
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:07:36 +0200, Robert Klemme wrote:
“ts” decoux@moulon.inra.fr schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:200404191207.i3JC7FZ08573@moulon.inra.fr…
For instance, postings from David Black doesn’t show up on the
newsgroup (at least where I am)… which is a shame.Well, at least for the thread “New Local Variable Scope rule” David
Alan
Black posted from USENET and I from ruby-talk.Now, on my news servers I have the same article than in my mailbox.
Hm, noone claimed that no messages get through. But it seems that the
GW does eat messages. For example the thread “How do you know it quacks
like a duck?” starts with a reply on my news server. Are there others
that observe the same problem with this particular thread?
–
Simon Strandgaard
Robert Klemme wrote:
“ts” decoux@moulon.inra.fr schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:200404191207.i3JC7FZ08573@moulon.inra.fr…“S” == Simon Strandgaard neoneye@adslhome.dk writes:
For instance, postings from David Black doesn’t show up on the
newsgroup (at least where I am)… which is a shame.Well, at least for the thread “New Local Variable Scope rule” David
Alan
Black posted from USENET and I from ruby-talk.
Now, on my news servers I have the same article than in my mailbox.
Hm, noone claimed that no messages get through. But it seems that the
GW does eat messages. For example the thread “How do you know it quacks
like a duck?” starts with a reply on my news server. Are there others
that observe the same problem with this particular thread?
I can also confirm this on my news server. Thread starts with a message
from Dan Doel. It’s also the only message I see in the thread for the
moment.
Raph
You can’t solve a bad USENET propagation, with the gateway.
True. If it’s the usenet propagation.
Regards
robert
For usenet I use ‘pan’… Can anyone recommend a good
mail client, which can show threads?
some kind of lightweight GUI mailclient for unix ?
Thanks in advance
Sylpheed – lightweight, GTK-based. Decently easy to use.
Mutt is my personal favorite – not GUI-based, but has some very nice
features for dealing with the four-digit number of emails I get in a
day.
Evolution has good threading, but lightweight isn’t in its vocabulary.
Ari
David Alan Black wrote:
The gateway code does not appear to reject my messages (based on some
local tests), so whatever’s happening is further along the chain. I
think Dennis was going to talk to the news admins and see what might
be happening (not sure if he has yet).
Well, I suppose it’s possible that the geographic location of the
gateway is an issue (actually the choice of providers).
Of course, that is largely not negotiable unless someone volunteers to
take charge of the software in Dennis’s place.
Hal
92847
Too old for me, sorry. The first message in my news server is dated 8
april 2004. This message is 13 february 2004
Guy Decoux
Will try Sylpheed.
I currently use Evolution, but its too resource consuming, takes
forever to startup/teardown. When I click on compose it takes several
seconds before the window appear on my display.
Besides that, what does people use of GUI clients for ruby-talk?
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 01:17:59 +0900, Aredridel wrote:
For usenet I use ‘pan’… Can anyone recommend a good
mail client, which can show threads?
some kind of lightweight GUI mailclient for unix ?
Thanks in advanceSylpheed – lightweight, GTK-based. Decently easy to use.
Mutt is my personal favorite – not GUI-based, but has some very nice
features for dealing with the four-digit number of emails I get in a
day.Evolution has good threading, but lightweight isn’t in its vocabulary.
–
Simon Strandgaard
Hi –
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, ts wrote:
92847
Too old for me, sorry. The first message in my news server is dated 8
april 2004. This message is 13 february 2004
OK, let’s use this message as a test. If you see this message on your
news server (anyone!), please send it to me, along with all headers.
David
–
David A. Black
dblack@wobblini.net
Hi –
Hal Fulton hal9000@hypermetrics.com writes:
David Alan Black wrote:
The gateway code does not appear to reject my messages (based on some
local tests), so whatever’s happening is further along the chain. I
think Dennis was going to talk to the news admins and see what might
be happening (not sure if he has yet).Well, I suppose it’s possible that the geographic location of the
gateway is an issue (actually the choice of providers).
I don’t think so, for two reasons: first, because it used to work
(before about January); second, because my messages do go through
if (and only if) I start a new thread. So it seems to be something
less clear cut.
David
–
David A. Black
dblack@wobblini.net