I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
"Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
"Matsumoto".
In message "Re: [OT] the name of Matz" on Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:26:56 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> writes:
I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
"Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
"Matsumoto".
FYI, My family name is Matsumoto. I don't see family-name-capital
convention much in the English speaking countries, I hesitated to do
so in public. Just call me Matz.
I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
"Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
"Matsumoto".
Talking about conventions one should keep in mind that ruby-talk also
is comp.lang.ruby. On the Usenet writing words in all uppercase means
that they are shouted (unless they are acronyms).
Confusion about which part of a name is which is a general issue with
languages. In many languages native speakers have little problem with
identifying the parts but all languages have exeptions as well.
In general German allows to identify the parts in the same way most
languages do: By identifying words that are only use for first or
last names. But this is not always the case:
Suppose someone signs a message with "Hans Werner". This may mean
that his first name is Hans and his last name is Werner but it may
also mean that his first names are Hans and Werner. Even worse: If
some signs a message with "Fritz" this may mean that his first name
is "Fritz" but also that his last name is "Fritz". Both uses of the
name exist.
In my opinion the second-best solution is to ignore the issue and
only solve problems when they arise instead of solving them in a way
that adds other problems. The best one is what Matz does: Having a
one-word nickname. This is helpful in real-life as well. I uses my
nickname "Jupp" in real life as well. People have little to no
problem to recall it even if they only meet me once
By the way, that convention is true across IRC,Instant Messanger, Email, etc.
It's not Usenet specific. (Though i'm not certain, it may indeed have
originated there)
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On 11/7/06, Josef 'Jupp' Schugt <jupp@gmx.de> wrote:
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* Byung-Hee HWANG, 11/07/2006 03:26 PM:
> I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
> don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
> capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
> with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
> Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
> "Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
> "Matsumoto".
Talking about conventions one should keep in mind that ruby-talk also
is comp.lang.ruby. On the Usenet writing words in all uppercase means
that they are shouted (unless they are acronyms).
By the way, I never seem to have seen Matz's name in Kanji. His name
in the foreword of the Pickaxe book is all Hiragana. I imagine it
might be:
松本元達
but then again, there seem to be hundreds of ways of writing ゆきひろ
(Yukihiro) as a given name, and about a handful more ways to write the
surname まつもと (Matsumoto).
···
On 11/7/06, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
FYI, My family name is Matsumoto. I don't see family-name-capital
convention much in the English speaking countries, I hesitated to do
so in public. Just call me Matz.
>I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
>don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
>capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
>with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
>Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
>"Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
>"Matsumoto".
FYI, My family name is Matsumoto. I don't see family-name-capital
convention much in the English speaking countries, I hesitated to do
so in public. Just call me Matz.
Of course I know that almost all speakers using English as mother
language do not use all capital letters for their family names as above
you mentioned. Also I agree about your way, using just nick name.
However, Akinori [3], a developer of FreeBSD Project, use all capital
letters for family name. Why do Akinori do so?
Someday far later, we may confuse with the issue. Thus, we need to make
general rules than using just nick name. I want you consider the issue
in all its aspects [4].
>I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
>don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
>capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
>with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
>Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
>"Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
>"Matsumoto".
FYI, My family name is Matsumoto. I don't see family-name-capital
convention much in the English speaking countries, I hesitated to do
so in public. Just call me Matz.
It isn't usual, but is useful in reference material where the reader may be in some doubt about the order. The hero of "Kozure Okami" is called both "Itto Ogami" and "Ogami Itto" in English.
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In message "Re: [OT] the name of Matz" > on Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:26:56 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> writes:
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Not only was I yelling, I was also spelling Matz's name wrong.
<hangs head>
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On 11/7/06, Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/7/06, Josef 'Jupp' Schugt <jupp@gmx.de> wrote:
> Talking about conventions one should keep in mind that ruby-talk also
> is comp.lang.ruby. On the Usenet writing words in all uppercase means
> that they are shouted (unless they are acronyms).
In message "Re: [OT] the name of Matz" on Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:10:43 +0900, Devin Mullins <twifkak@comcast.net> writes:
Just call me Matz.
Question: When spoken, should it be 'a' as in "hats" or 'a' as in "blah"
(or, oh, say, "Matsumoto")?
Ah, I was asked same question at the last RubyConf. The official
answer is "I don't care" (note: Japanese has only 5 vowels). English
speakers seem to use the former.
On 11/7/06, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
> FYI, My family name is Matsumoto. I don't see family-name-capital
> convention much in the English speaking countries, I hesitated to do
> so in public. Just call me Matz.
By the way, I never seem to have seen Matz's name in Kanji. His name
in the foreword of the Pickaxe book is all Hiragana. I imagine it
might be:
松本元達
but then again, there seem to be hundreds of ways of writing ゆきひろ
(Yukihiro) as a given name, and about a handful more ways to write the
surname まつもと (Matsumoto).
In message "Re: [OT] the name of Matz" on Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:09:54 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> writes:
Of course I know that almost all speakers using English as mother
language do not use all capital letters for their family names as above
you mentioned. Also I agree about your way, using just nick name.
However, Akinori [3], a developer of FreeBSD Project, use all capital
letters for family name. Why do Akinori do so?
I can't speak for him. You have to ask him.
For your information, he is also one of our committers, a maintainer
of digest library among others.
Actually, it seems to be a fairly common convention used by many
Japanese (Matz excluded, of course) and Chinese (you included
apparently), as it isn't always clear, especially to gaijin folks,
which part of their name is the surname and which part is the given
name. The fact that Japanese and Chinese generally write their
surnames before their given names in their normal convention, and
occasionally reverse it to follow the Western convention of given name
first, adds to this confusion. Most of the Japanese people I've met
seem to follow this convention on the English side of their business
cards.
···
On 11/10/06, Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
Of course I know that almost all speakers using English as mother
language do not use all capital letters for their family names as above
you mentioned. Also I agree about your way, using just nick name.
However, Akinori [3], a developer of FreeBSD Project, use all capital
letters for family name. Why do Akinori do so?
> >I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
> >don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
> >capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
> >with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
> >Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
> >"Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
> >"Matsumoto".
>
> FYI, My family name is Matsumoto. I don't see family-name-capital
> convention much in the English speaking countries, I hesitated to do
> so in public. Just call me Matz.
Of course I know that almost all speakers using English as mother
language do not use all capital letters for their family names as above
you mentioned. Also I agree about your way, using just nick name.
However, Akinori [3], a developer of FreeBSD Project, use all capital
letters for family name. Why do Akinori do so?
It is just a local convention and I spell my name so just because I
like it. It gives non-Japanese speaking readers a soft hint that
MUSHA could be my family name, and helps me being called more in a
friendlier form "Akinori" rather than excessively formal "MUSHA-san"
with a deep stiff bow in English speaking places.
Although passports and other formal documents may have restrictions,
one should be allowed to spell one's name as one wants, so long as it
is used consistently and serves as social identification.
···
At Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:09:54 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
It isn't usual, but is useful in reference material where the
reader may be in some doubt about the order. The hero of "Kozure
Okami" is called both "Itto Ogami" and "Ogami Itto" in English.
For reference one should use kanji with furigana and only add latin
transcription if absolutely necessary. On web pages one can use Ruby
(not the programming language to add furigana.
Problem with transcription is that depending on the target language
it can sometimes be almost impossible to recoginize one language's
approximation if one is used to another language one's. While the
problem is only limited for Japanese it can be annoying for other
languages like Chinese and slavic ones ('Standard' means an
international standard transcription):
The last of these is an extremely annoying problem. Given you want
information on Čebyčev polynomials chances are good that you only
find a minor part of the material available because myriards of
different spellings are used
Related to this subject, is "why" his first name or family name? And how
is the _ in front of why (i.e. _why) supposed to be pronounced? Or is it
silent? And what does it symbolize?
Please do not confuse me with details, just tell me:
How many "matzes" are there, up to now I counted...
... well 42 of course
Robert
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--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.
I would personally expect Byung-Hee to be from Korea, given the email
address provided.
But I could be wrong.
-austin
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On 11/10/06, Dido Sevilla <dido.sevilla@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/10/06, Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
Actually, it seems to be a fairly common convention used by many
Japanese (Matz excluded, of course) and Chinese (you included
apparently),
