Sean O'Dell [mailto:sean@celsoft.com] :
I think more than a few of you are too busy patting
yourselves on the back, you really ought to put your
head down and finish up your work. Your releases look terrible,
particularly, Ziegler.
I don't know what you're talking about. Yours is the first complaint
that I've had about "terrible looking" releases; indeed, I *know* my
code is in use -- and I also know that I'm in the middle of a big update
on code that is in use (I'm not releasing it before it's ready, and it
requires a migration tool). Quite obviously, I have more than enough to
keep me busy with the various little tools that I have done -- not all
of which I actually use (I don't use the PDF::Writer tool I wrote -- my
need for it disappeared about halfway through the initial development,
but I finished it up and intend to go back to it after I finish the work
that I'm doing on other stuff; I plan on offering PDF output for Ruwiki
based on PDF::Writer at some point, but Not Just Yet).
I've also had a licence issue to deal with, so the reality is, Sean, I
am putting code forward -- and when I run into issues with code that I
use, I offer patches (that's how my involvement in Ruwiki started --
offering [major] patches to Alan Chen).
-austin
···
--
austin ziegler * austin.ziegler@evault.com
http://ruby-pdf.rubyforge.org/
http://net-ldap.rubyforge.org/
Great work, Ziegler.
Sean O'Dell
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On Tuesday 15 June 2004 13:53, Austin Ziegler wrote:
Sean O'Dell [mailto:sean@celsoft.com] :
> I think more than a few of you are too busy patting
> yourselves on the back, you really ought to put your
> head down and finish up your work. Your releases look terrible,
> particularly, Ziegler.
I don't know what you're talking about. Yours is the first complaint
that I've had about "terrible looking" releases; indeed, I *know* my
code is in use -- and I also know that I'm in the middle of a big update
on code that is in use (I'm not releasing it before it's ready, and it
requires a migration tool). Quite obviously, I have more than enough to
keep me busy with the various little tools that I have done -- not all
of which I actually use (I don't use the PDF::Writer tool I wrote -- my
need for it disappeared about halfway through the initial development,
but I finished it up and intend to go back to it after I finish the work
that I'm doing on other stuff; I plan on offering PDF output for Ruwiki
based on PDF::Writer at some point, but Not Just Yet).
I've also had a licence issue to deal with, so the reality is, Sean, I
am putting code forward -- and when I run into issues with code that I
use, I offer patches (that's how my involvement in Ruwiki started --
offering [major] patches to Alan Chen).
Sean O'Dell wrote:
http://ruby-pdf.rubyforge.org/
http://net-ldap.rubyforge.org/
Great work, Ziegler.
Dude, take this kind of crap off the public mailing list. Please.
Ben
[snip]
*Please* would you mind to continue this discussion in *private*
e-mails?
I believe I'm not the only one who doesn't care about your issues.
Thanks in advance,
···
On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 23:01, Sean O'Dell wrote:
--
Laurent
Ben Giddings wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
http://ruby-pdf.rubyforge.org/
http://net-ldap.rubyforge.org/
Great work, Ziegler.
Dude, take this kind of crap off the public mailing list. Please.
Seconded. It's off topic and immature.
Let's put our energy into ruby, please. The "addlib" idea is a promising topic for discussion. And the .sig files are amusing, even if they are OT...
rabrotehuensk Rhaucy.
Oh, it's fine when personalized insults about the quality of my projects are
posted here, but not when I return the same. I see. So am I the only one
not allowed to insult other's projects, or is there a rule that says you can
only initiate insults, so when Ziegler twice initiated direct insults at me,
I was somehow obligated to not return insults?
I don't think it works that way, but thanks for the advice "dude."
Sean O'Dell
···
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:13, Ben Giddings wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
> http://ruby-pdf.rubyforge.org/
> http://net-ldap.rubyforge.org/
>
> Great work, Ziegler.
Dude, take this kind of crap off the public mailing list. Please.
Did you see the self.promote.com/energizer thread? Why didn't they send that
to me privately? Why wasn't
http://www.moviewavs.com/Movies/Waynes_World/sphinctr.wav sent to me
privately?
Or is it okay for those folks to mock me in this ML, but when I point out
someone else's failures, suddenly it's not okay?
Sean O'Dell
···
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:23, Laurent Sansonetti wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 23:01, Sean O'Dell wrote:
[snip]
*Please* would you mind to continue this discussion in *private*
e-mails?
I believe I'm not the only one who doesn't care about your issues.
Why didn't you say this about the people participating in the
self.promote.com/energizer thread, or Bill Kelly, who posted the link
http://www.moviewavs.com/Movies/Waynes_World/sphinctr.wav to me here in the
same ML?
Oh, I see...they don't like me, so they're not a problem. They post all that
and they're not "immature" but I point out Ziegler's sloppy project releases
and I'm the immature one.
You people have your heads screwed on funny.
Sean O'Dell
···
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:22, Joel VanderWerf wrote:
Ben Giddings wrote:
> Sean O'Dell wrote:
>> http://ruby-pdf.rubyforge.org/
>> http://net-ldap.rubyforge.org/
>>
>> Great work, Ziegler.
>
> Dude, take this kind of crap off the public mailing list. Please.
Seconded. It's off topic and immature.
Let's put our energy into ruby, please. The "addlib" idea is a promising
topic for discussion. And the .sig files are amusing, even if they are
OT...
When people post messages to me in private, I will reply in private. It's a
pretty simple formula. They insist on posting here, though. I've never done
anything to start arguments here, they were always started here by others.
The only thing I EVER did was post my announcements, and other people started
picking fights over this and that from there. I merely responded. Even your
suggestion to me here to take this off-list could have been done off-list,
but you chose to post it here. See what I mean?
Take it off-list if you want it off-list. I would never post here in response
to anything emailed to me in private. Email me if you want to say something
in private.
Sean O'Dell
···
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:53, Hal Fulton wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:13, Ben Giddings wrote:
>>Sean O'Dell wrote:
>>>http://ruby-pdf.rubyforge.org/
>>>http://net-ldap.rubyforge.org/
>>>
>>>Great work, Ziegler.
>>
>>Dude, take this kind of crap off the public mailing list. Please.
>
> Oh, it's fine when personalized insults about the quality of my projects
> are posted here, but not when I return the same. I see. So am I the
> only one not allowed to insult other's projects, or is there a rule that
> says you can only initiate insults, so when Ziegler twice initiated
> direct insults at me, I was somehow obligated to not return insults?
>
> I don't think it works that way, but thanks for the advice "dude."
I think Ben meant you should BOTH (or ALL) take it offlist.
If that's not what he's saying, it's what I'm saying.
Sean O'Dell wrote:
Ben Giddings wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
http://ruby-pdf.rubyforge.org/
http://net-ldap.rubyforge.org/
Great work, Ziegler.
Dude, take this kind of crap off the public mailing list. Please.
Seconded. It's off topic and immature.
Let's put our energy into ruby, please. The "addlib" idea is a promising
topic for discussion. And the .sig files are amusing, even if they are
OT...
Why didn't you say this about the people participating in the self.promote.com/energizer thread, or Bill Kelly, who posted the link http://www.moviewavs.com/Movies/Waynes_World/sphinctr.wav to me here in the same ML?
Oh, I see...they don't like me, so they're not a problem. They post all that and they're not "immature" but I point out Ziegler's sloppy project releases and I'm the immature one.
You people have your heads screwed on funny.
Lots of people say lots of inappropriate things about each other all the time, sometimes, unfortunately, on ruby-talk. The Wayne's World reference was in that category. I deleted it immediately, since it obviously was a purely personal jibe that had no relevance to ruby. It was _obviously_ immature.
The post of yours that I responded to purported to be a critique of a ruby project, and a casual reader of the list might have taken it as such. However, in context it was no better than the scatological reference, and just as immature. If you want to sling s**t, then sling s**t, and we can all ignore it. Just don't try to pass it off as technical commentary.
I will not post again on this thread.
···
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:22, Joel VanderWerf wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
>>Ben Giddings wrote:
>>>Sean O'Dell wrote:
>>>>http://ruby-pdf.rubyforge.org/
>>>>http://net-ldap.rubyforge.org/
>>>>
>>>>Great work, Ziegler.
>>>
>>>Dude, take this kind of crap off the public mailing list. Please.
>>
>>Seconded. It's off topic and immature.
>>
>>Let's put our energy into ruby, please. The "addlib" idea is a promising
>>topic for discussion. And the .sig files are amusing, even if they are
>>OT...
>
> Why didn't you say this about the people participating in the
> self.promote.com/energizer thread, or Bill Kelly, who posted the link
> http://www.moviewavs.com/Movies/Waynes_World/sphinctr.wav to me here in
> the same ML?
>
> Oh, I see...they don't like me, so they're not a problem. They post all
> that and they're not "immature" but I point out Ziegler's sloppy project
> releases and I'm the immature one.
>
> You people have your heads screwed on funny.
Lots of people say lots of inappropriate things about each other all the
time, sometimes, unfortunately, on ruby-talk. The Wayne's World
reference was in that category. I deleted it immediately, since it
obviously was a purely personal jibe that had no relevance to ruby. It
was _obviously_ immature.
It didn't "delete" here in ML, so it's here forever archived, as far as I
know.
The post of yours that I responded to purported to be a critique of a
ruby project, and a casual reader of the list might have taken it as
such. However, in context it was no better than the scatological
reference, and just as immature. If you want to sling s**t, then sling
s**t, and we can all ignore it. Just don't try to pass it off as
technical commentary.
I don't believe my post was any worse than anything flung at me so far. Don't
try and make it out as if I'm the one who started this and who dishes out the
worst. I only posted an initial announcement, and the rest of it were all
just responses to others.
Sean O'Dell
···
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 15:11, Joel VanderWerf wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:22, Joel VanderWerf wrote:
Lots of people say lots of inappropriate things about each other all the
time, sometimes, unfortunately, on ruby-talk. The Wayne's World
reference was in that category. I deleted it immediately, since it
obviously was a purely personal jibe that had no relevance to ruby. It
was _obviously_ immature.
Indeed. I had already acknowledged the inappropriateness of that
post to Sean, privately, this morning. I didn't want to bother the
list with more noise.
Usually my criteria for the [rare] posting of an off-topic sound effect
like that is that it should be more healing than divisive. Both
"sides" should get a chuckle. (Something like
http://www.foosenblat.org/ftp/wav/takai_laugh2.wav has worked to
that effect in the past, perhaps on a different list.)
But with the Wayne's World sample I clearly goofed and succumbed
to my baser instincts. Sorry about that.
Back to ruby for me,
Regards,
Bill "maturity is for investment accounts" Kelly
"Sean O'Dell" <sean@celsoft.com> writes:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
>>Sean O'Dell wrote:
>>>http://ruby-pdf.rubyforge.org/
>>>http://net-ldap.rubyforge.org/
>>>
>>>Great work, Ziegler.
>>
>>Dude, take this kind of crap off the public mailing list. Please.
>
> Oh, it's fine when personalized insults about the quality of my projects
> are posted here, but not when I return the same. I see. So am I the
> only one not allowed to insult other's projects, or is there a rule that
> says you can only initiate insults, so when Ziegler twice initiated
> direct insults at me, I was somehow obligated to not return insults?
>
> I don't think it works that way, but thanks for the advice "dude."
I think Ben meant you should BOTH (or ALL) take it offlist.
If that's not what he's saying, it's what I'm saying.
When people post messages to me in private, I will reply in private. It's a
pretty simple formula. They insist on posting here, though. I've never done
anything to start arguments here, they were always started here by others.
The only thing I EVER did was post my announcements, and other people started
picking fights over this and that from there. I merely responded. Even your
suggestion to me here to take this off-list could have been done off-list,
but you chose to post it here. See what I mean?
Take it off-list if you want it off-list. I would never post here in response
to anything emailed to me in private. Email me if you want to say something
in private.
Sean O'Dell
"You started it, I'm just responding."
"No, you started it, and so I'm replying in kind"
"No YOU started it, dude!"
"No, it was YOU!"
"No, YOU!"
"YOU!!!"
"YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
... etc. etc. etc. etc. ...
So who is going to be first to STOP it?
In other words, ALL of you PLEASE take it off line. OK?
···
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:53, Hal Fulton wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:13, Ben Giddings wrote:
--
Lloyd Zusman
ljz@asfast.com
God bless you.
Clearly not you. You could have very easily sent this to me as a private
email.
It seems a LOT of people like to ask that the discussion be taken off-list,
but very, very few people have the character to actually TAKE their comments
off-list.
Sean O'Dell
···
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 16:04, Lloyd Zusman wrote:
"Sean O'Dell" <sean@celsoft.com> writes:
> On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:53, Hal Fulton wrote:
>> Sean O'Dell wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 15 June 2004 14:13, Ben Giddings wrote:
>> >>Sean O'Dell wrote:
>> >>>http://ruby-pdf.rubyforge.org/
>> >>>http://net-ldap.rubyforge.org/
>> >>>
>> >>>Great work, Ziegler.
>> >>
>> >>Dude, take this kind of crap off the public mailing list. Please.
>> >
>> > Oh, it's fine when personalized insults about the quality of my
>> > projects are posted here, but not when I return the same. I see. So
>> > am I the only one not allowed to insult other's projects, or is there
>> > a rule that says you can only initiate insults, so when Ziegler twice
>> > initiated direct insults at me, I was somehow obligated to not return
>> > insults?
>> >
>> > I don't think it works that way, but thanks for the advice "dude."
>>
>> I think Ben meant you should BOTH (or ALL) take it offlist.
>>
>> If that's not what he's saying, it's what I'm saying.
>
> When people post messages to me in private, I will reply in private.
> It's a pretty simple formula. They insist on posting here, though. I've
> never done anything to start arguments here, they were always started
> here by others. The only thing I EVER did was post my announcements, and
> other people started picking fights over this and that from there. I
> merely responded. Even your suggestion to me here to take this off-list
> could have been done off-list, but you chose to post it here. See what I
> mean?
>
> Take it off-list if you want it off-list. I would never post here in
> response to anything emailed to me in private. Email me if you want to
> say something in private.
>
> Sean O'Dell
"You started it, I'm just responding."
"No, you started it, and so I'm replying in kind"
"No YOU started it, dude!"
"No, it was YOU!"
"No, YOU!"
"YOU!!!"
"YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
... etc. etc. etc. etc. ...
So who is going to be first to STOP it?
In other words, ALL of you PLEASE take it off line. OK?