[ADVOC] - Tag for Ruby Advocacy Related Topics

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Ryan Davis wrote:

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On Apr 19, 2005, at 6:14 PM, Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

vruz wrote:

may I ask the community to introduce a tag, e.g. "[ADVOC]" or "[ADVO]"
or "[ADVOCACY]" for ruby advocacy related threads?
would increase the informative value and would allow easier filtering.

there seems to be some consensus among a number of users of this maillist.
they believe you should tag your messages as [ILIAS].
that would increase the informative value and would allow easier filtering.

someone should tell those 'superstars' that my messages are all tagged with:
sender = ilias@lazaridis.com

Yes, but some of us 'superstars' would like to filter out everyone who responds to you as well. It would increase informative value (by improving the signal to noise ratio) and allow for easier filtering.

if (sender==ilias@laz..) do (thread.ignore)

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Austin Ziegler wrote:

what you consider it is irrelevant.

what readers consider it is relevant.

that's what are tag's for: the reader to decides

You misspelled "author". Do get your terminology right -- but you have
a problem with that, don't you?

I have a problem with masses of non-categorized topics, which makes
filtering difficult.

that's why I opened this thread, to make this suggestion.

-austin

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On 4/19/05, Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote:

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Martin Ankerl wrote:

Seriously, I don't see the value in such a tag, the way that [ANN]
does. I personally don't plan on using such a tag -- if I am
discussing my efforts toward advocating Ruby, I consider that general
interest.

what you consider it is irrelevant.

What makes Austin's comment irrelevant? He certainly is a reader. You

[...]

please keep the coherence of my writings, if you want me to take your
writings serious.

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You are tiresome.

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On 4/19/05, Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote:

Martin Ankerl wrote:
>>> Seriously, I don't see the value in such a tag, the way that [ANN]
>>> does. I personally don't plan on using such a tag -- if I am
>>> discussing my efforts toward advocating Ruby, I consider that general
>>> interest.
>>
>> what you consider it is irrelevant.
>
> What makes Austin's comment irrelevant? He certainly is a reader. You
[...]

please keep the coherence of my writings, if you want me to take your
writings serious.

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Bill Atkins

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I can't resist anymore. Keeping the coherence of your writings would
involve deliberately obscuring everything we write. Seriously, please add
an [ILIAS] tag to all your mail. Plonking you isn't enough, your entire
threads are useless...

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* On Apr 20 11:34, Ilias Lazaridis (ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org) wrote:

please keep the coherence of my writings, if you want me to take your
writings serious.

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I have to say that I have no idea what the big fuss is about. If you find Ilias irritating, just ignore what he says. How hard is that? That's what I do, and it's no trouble at all.

Ruby's getting bigger every year, and it's attracting all sorts of people with all sorts of personalities. Some of them make arguments differently than we're used to. Some of them ask questions differently than we're used to. Some of them even like Java.

So how are we going to respond to the new diversity? By figuring out how to accommodate newcomers or by yelling at them 'til they conform to our own personal style?

Are we looking for converts, or heretics?

I mean, I can't help but thinking that a bunch of people are wasting too much energy on bitching about other people, and too little energy on learning how to use a ML/newsgroup client with decent threading support.

And far, far too little energy writing more code.

Francis Hwang

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On Apr 20, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Thomas Kirchner wrote:

* On Apr 20 11:34, Ilias Lazaridis (ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org) wrote:

please keep the coherence of my writings, if you want me to take your
writings serious.

I can't resist anymore. Keeping the coherence of your writings would
involve deliberately obscuring everything we write. Seriously, please add
an [ILIAS] tag to all your mail. Plonking you isn't enough, your entire
threads are useless...

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So how are we going to respond to the new diversity? By figuring out
how to accommodate newcomers or by yelling at them 'til they conform to
our own personal style?

I'm not trying to force anyone into any style. I love ruby, I love the
community here; I think it's the most helpful and positive force we could
have for such a nice language, and it helps to promote itself. Newbies
are great, I was one, and they constantly bring new life (and projects)
into our community.

The problem is that Ilias reduces everyone's motive and efficiency,
while giving nothing back. He claims he's doing "evaluations", which
if done constructively could help. However, he doesn't listen to
anything anyone says, no matter how much more experienced they are,
and often goes into completely unrelated rants that are too rude even
for an [OT] marker. I try to be sensitive about his... how shall I put
it... failure to grasp the English language, as I know many posters
aren't native speakers. I've had to deal with him in several
newsgroups - I have a feeling you haven't had the pleasure :slight_smile:

I mean, I can't help but thinking that a bunch of people are wasting
too much energy on bitching about other people, and too little energy
on learning how to use a ML/newsgroup client with decent threading
support.

You're right, there's a lot of bitching, and I wish it could be avoided.
Ilias is just prolific. I'm sure more people would simply ignore the
threads if it were easy to do so - and if you can provide a mutt macro
that can somehow delete his threads and all replies without some sort of
[ilias] tag, I'd love it.

And far, far too little energy writing more code.

I write plenty of code, contribute to many open-source projects, and don't
think this has anything to do with mailing list courtesy.

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* On Apr 20 22:19, Francis Hwang (ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org) wrote:

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The problem is that Ilias reduces everyone's motive and efficiency,
while giving nothing back. He claims he's doing "evaluations", which
if done constructively could help. However, he doesn't listen to
anything anyone says, no matter how much more experienced they are,
and often goes into completely unrelated rants that are too rude even
for an [OT] marker. I try to be sensitive about his... how shall I put
it... failure to grasp the English language, as I know many posters
aren't native speakers. I've had to deal with him in several
newsgroups - I have a feeling you haven't had the pleasure :slight_smile:

No, I haven't even had the pleasure of dealing with him in this newsgroup. Because I don't read his posts.

I mean, I can't help but thinking that a bunch of people are wasting
too much energy on bitching about other people, and too little energy
on learning how to use a ML/newsgroup client with decent threading
support.

You're right, there's a lot of bitching, and I wish it could be avoided.
Ilias is just prolific. I'm sure more people would simply ignore the
threads if it were easy to do so - and if you can provide a mutt macro
that can somehow delete his threads and all replies without some sort of
[ilias] tag, I'd love it.

Doesn't mutt support message threading? Isn't it fairly easy to see which threads are started by Ilias, and ignore them?

Nobody is forcing you to read every message sent out on ruby-talk.

Francis Hwang

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On Apr 20, 2005, at 10:32 AM, Thomas Kirchner wrote: