Paul Lutus wrote:
What you should be doing is learning basic literacy.
Sad this response I am.
I thought we were Rubyists not judgmental grammar police.
Later,
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Bil Kleb
http://fun3d.larc.nasa.gov
Bil Kleb wrote:
I thought we were Rubyists not judgmental grammar police.
It's not the bad grammar (or rather, spelling) that's being bashed, but
the lack of any effort whatsoever (running a spellchecker) to improve it.
Non-native speakers tend to show problems with sentence construction
rather than spelling. I've yet to see one instance of that (a problem
not solvable by trivial computer-assisted means) being criticised,
despite the fact there are posts I sometimes have to literally decipher.
David Vallner
Bil Kleb wrote:
Paul Lutus wrote:
What you should be doing is learning basic literacy.
Sad this response I am.
I thought we were Rubyists not judgmental grammar police.
I was simply pointing out another language the OP should be learning, along
with C++, Perl, Python and Ruby. In the long run, his ignorance of English
will really hurt him, and someone needed to describe the emperor's new
clothes.
My post wasn't a judgment, it was a simple statement of fact.
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Paul Lutus
http://www.arachnoid.com
Bil Kleb wrote:
Paul Lutus wrote:
What you should be doing is learning basic literacy.
Sad this response I am.
I thought we were Rubyists not judgmental grammar police.
Can't we be both??
Seriously, though, I don't mind when a non-native speaker
of English can't handle it. I'm sure it's difficult.
What irritates me is when an alleged native speaker butchers
the language almost beyond recognition. I was talking with
Mauricio once about another person (whom I won't name in
this xmission), and I mentioned that he was a native speaker.
And Mauricio, who speaks excellent English, said: "*He* is a
native speaker??"
I think it speaks volumes about the US educational system when
people speak English better as a second language than some of
us do as a first.
Hal
Bil Kleb wrote:
> I thought we were Rubyists not judgmental grammar police.
>It's not the bad grammar (or rather, spelling) that's being bashed, but
the lack of any effort whatsoever (running a spellchecker) to improve it.Non-native speakers tend to show problems with sentence construction
rather than spelling. I've yet to see one instance of that (a problem
not solvable by trivial computer-assisted means) being criticised,
despite the fact there are posts I sometimes have to literally decipher.
If I guess correctly at Bil's observation, it may be that a
variety of non-confrontational methods may suffice to encourage
the OP.
Not sure though,
Regards,
Bill
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From: "David Vallner" <david@vallner.net>
Can I suggest your lack of tolerance, combined with your brusqueness will in the long run, really hurt you? If you were in a bar and talked to somebody like that, the 'hurt' might be quite physical. 
Bearing in mind we here on rubytalk are using a programming language that was designed and given to us by a man whose first language is not English we should be especially tolerant of people for whom English is a second language.
This is a nice place with friendly people, dedicated to a language intended to make programming pleasureable. Please keep it that way. If you can't, you might fit in better with the PHP, Python, Perl and Java guys.
Thanks,
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On 23 Oct 2006, at 09:25, Paul Lutus wrote:
In the long run, his ignorance of English will really hurt him
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Paul
David Vallner wrote:
It's not the bad grammar (or rather, spelling) that's being bashed, but
the lack of any effort whatsoever (running a spellchecker) to improve it.
[..]
there are posts I sometimes have to literally decipher.
Please just move on to the next post then.
Regards,
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Bil Kleb
http://fun3d.larc.nasa.gov
Paul Lutus wrote:
Bil Kleb wrote:
My post wasn't a judgment, it was a simple statement of fact.
Whatever the case, please try to convey a more gentle,
unassuming tone next time or simply skip the urge to
respond.
Please.
Later,
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Bil Kleb
http://fun3d.larc.nasa.gov
Heir's mai kode.
bool main() {
lol = new int[2];
rofl = *(lol + PI);
return "HAHA";
}
Hay guyz! Did I do this rite?
... guyz?
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On 10/23/06, Hal Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> wrote:
Bil Kleb wrote:
> Paul Lutus wrote:
>
>>
>> What you should be doing is learning basic literacy.
>
> Sad this response I am.
>
> I thought we were Rubyists not judgmental grammar police.
>Can't we be both??
Seriously, though, I don't mind when a non-native speaker
of English can't handle it. I'm sure it's difficult.What irritates me is when an alleged native speaker butchers
the language almost beyond recognition. I was talking with
Mauricio once about another person (whom I won't name in
this xmission), and I mentioned that he was a native speaker.And Mauricio, who speaks excellent English, said: "*He* is a
native speaker??"I think it speaks volumes about the US educational system when
people speak English better as a second language than some of
us do as a first.Hal
Bill Kelly wrote:
If I guess correctly at Bil's observation, it may be that a
variety of non-confrontational methods may suffice to encourage
the OP.
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=atbusbook%40aol.com
Evidence would suggest...
At least he's more laughs than the TIOBE index (and its cousins)
sensationalist trolls. The first time I saw "Coo De Tar" I almost fell
off my office chair in convulsions.
David Vallner
Paul Robinson wrote:
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On 23 Oct 2006, at 09:25, Paul Lutus wrote:
In the long run, his ignorance of English will really hurt him
Can I suggest your lack of tolerance, combined with your brusqueness
will in the long run, really hurt you? If you were in a bar and
talked to somebody like that, the 'hurt' might be quite physical.
You have just advertised, not my intolerance, but your own. Physician, heal
thyself.
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Paul Lutus
http://www.arachnoid.com
Paul Robinson wrote:
Bearing in mind we here on rubytalk are using a programming language
that was designed and given to us by a man whose first language is
not English we should be especially tolerant of people for whom
English is a second language.
I agree completely. However, your mistake is in assuming that the OP is
someone for whom English is a second language. I've been reading Usenet
for well over a decade, and have seen many examples of posts written by
people who don't speak English natively, and I agree with Paul Lutus'
assessment that this isn't one of them. Most non-native English
speakers use unusual word ordering, or idioms translated from their
native language into English (e.g. "since many years" instead of "for
many years"). The OP's sentence structure is just fine, but a few words
are grossly misspelled, specifically by using the wrong vowel. This
quite clearly indicates a high school or college student who is too
lazy to proof read or spell check his/her post. This same type of
laziness might also lead someone to post their homework assignment to a
programming newsgroup. Thus, I agree that Paul Lutus' post was
warranted, as well as those which brought up the homework issue.
I have no problem being patient with non-native speakers. But trying to
decipher the writings of a native English speaker who won't take the
effort required to put together a coherent message, especially when
asking for something from others, isn't worth my time.
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On 23 Oct 2006, at 09:25, Paul Lutus wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=atbusbook%40aol.com
Evidence would suggest...
:-o http://tastyspleen.net/~quadz/sillypx/vader_team_owns.jpg
Good point. =D
At least he's more laughs than the TIOBE index (and its cousins)
sensationalist trolls. The first time I saw "Coo De Tar" I almost fell
off my office chair in convulsions.
Haha, indeed, reminds me of the Circle Jerks song.
I guess I still wonder if 'tis possible that:
An' if a Rubyist recognizes a troll, the appropriate response is:
- look for grammar mistakes: pwned!
- address technical questions while not getting suckered into doing homework
- ...... ?
I guess my momentary read of Bil's idea (i could well be incorrect) was that a Rubyist could perhaps respond in some non-confrontational way, as many confrontations engender psychic loops. Not that I'm an authority in not getting stuck in psychic loops. =D
Regards,
Bill
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From: "David Vallner" <david@vallner.net>
David Vallner wrote:
At least he's more laughs than the TIOBE index (and its cousins)
sensationalist trolls. The first time I saw "Coo De Tar" I almost fell
off my office chair in convulsions.
I've never seen "coo de tar" anywhere, but I have seen "wallah"
many, many times.
Or as Yogi Berra said, "That was a real Tour de France."
Hal
Paul Lutus wrote:
Paul Robinson wrote:
>
>> In the long run, his ignorance of English will really hurt him
>
> Can I suggest your lack of tolerance, combined with your brusqueness
> will in the long run, really hurt you? If you were in a bar and
> talked to somebody like that, the 'hurt' might be quite physical.You have just advertised, not my intolerance, but your own. Physician, heal
thyself.
You're reaching. No, he didn't advertise his own intolerance.
He said that you might find yourself getting punched in the face for
mouthing off. He didn't say he would be doing the punching. Indeed,
his frowny suggests that he doesn't want that to happen to you.
His message was friendly and honest. But, this being usenet, you
decided to be confrontational. Don't be rude. Keep it civil. And if
you're going to patronize someone, make sure you haven't misinterpreted
what they said.
'cid 'ooh
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> On 23 Oct 2006, at 09:25, Paul Lutus wrote:
poopdeville@gmail.com wrote:
/ ...
His message was friendly and honest. But, this being usenet, you
decided to be confrontational. Don't be rude.
Don't be hypocritical. A bit too late for that advice, I would say.
And if you're going to patronize someone, make sure you
haven't misinterpreted what they said.
Not a word about Ruby. When you leave the topic, please also leave the
newsgroup, or at the least mark your post [OT].
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Paul Lutus
http://www.arachnoid.com
Paul Lutus wrote:
/ ...
> His message was friendly and honest. But, this being usenet, you
> decided to be confrontational. Don't be rude.Don't be hypocritical. A bit too late for that advice, I would say.
I was definitely not rude. Confrontational, perhaps. But... <immature
age="11">you started it.</immature>
> And if you're going to patronize someone, make sure you
> haven't misinterpreted what they said.Not a word about Ruby. When you leave the topic, please also leave the
newsgroup, or at the least mark your post [OT].
Irrelevant to the point at hand. <immature age="15">(And hypocritical,
considering you pointing out my own supposed hypocrisy while *not*
saying a word about Ruby, leaving the group, or marking your post off
topic)</immature> I realize you are a major contributor to the group,
but who made you the group cop? Is your spot in the pecking order so
important to you that you're willing to argue fallaciously to appear to
come out on top? That's not a good personality trait, and people see
right through it.
Your contributions to the group are indeed useful and many.
Unfortunately, your grating personality has lead me to...
*plonk*
'cid 'ooh
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poopdeville@gmail.com wrote: