Www.ruby.net

(Daniel Schierbeck) #1

I don't know if this has been discussed before (didn't find any messages when I searched on Google Groups).

I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we decide to buy it.

Maybe we could even make a new Ruby site (with a php.net style documentation!). Well, we can always discuss that later.

Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck

(Dibya Prakash) #2

I don't know if this has been discussed before (didn't find any messages
when I searched on Google Groups).

I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
decide to buy it.

Not a bad idea.Normal psychology to use direct names for the
language.I would prefer ruby.org and then ruby.net.

Thanks n Regards
Dibya Prakash

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On 8/21/05, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@gmail.com> wrote:

Maybe we could even make a new Ruby site (with a php.net style
documentation!). Well, we can always discuss that later.

Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck

(Greg Donald) #3

I'm for that. I would gladly help with documentation work.

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On 8/21/05, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@gmail.com> wrote:

Maybe we could even make a new Ruby site (with a php.net style
documentation!). Well, we can always discuss that later.

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(Yukihiro Matsumoto) #4

Hi,

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In message "Re: www.ruby.net" on Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@gmail.com> writes:

I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
decide to buy it.

I have mailed the owner of ruby.net about two years ago, and got no
response. Perhaps I should have shown him (big amount of) money.

              matz.

(Nobuyoshi Nakada) #5

Hi,

At Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900,
Daniel Schierbeck wrote in [ruby-talk:153101]:

I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
decide to buy it.

Even shorter:

  http://ru.by/

Nobody in Belarus? :wink:

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(Dibya Prakash) #6

Hi,
Even i m ready to help in the documentation.I propose ruby.org be used
for community development purpose and ruby.net for the Ruby opn source
projects.

Thanks n Regards
Dibya Prakash

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On 8/21/05, Greg Donald <destiney@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/21/05, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe we could even make a new Ruby site (with a php.net style
> documentation!). Well, we can always discuss that later.

I'm for that. I would gladly help with documentation work.

--
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Zend Certified Engineer
MySQL Core Certification
http://destiney.com/

(Anatol Pomozov) #7

I am from belarus. It is great idea :slight_smile:

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On 8/21/05, nobu.nokada@softhome.net <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> wrote:

Hi,

At Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900,
Daniel Schierbeck wrote in [ruby-talk:153101]:
> I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
> easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
> up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
> think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
> decide to buy it.

Even shorter:

  http://ru.by/

Nobody in Belarus? :wink:

--
Nobu Nakada

--
anatol

(Daniel Schierbeck) #8

While it definately sounds cool, I think people are most comfortable with .com, .org and .net domains. Getting the .com would actually be the best (even though ruby isn't commercial in any way), since ruby.com is the first place people would look if they heard the name "Ruby".

If there are no objections to the idea I think we should find someone trustworthy, send him some money and have him purchase the domain (I'm kinda new here, so I don't think that many people will trust me with their money). If there's another method you prefer, don't be afraid to write it here. I've never done this before, so I won't flame you...

Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck

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nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

Hi,

At Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900,
Daniel Schierbeck wrote in [ruby-talk:153101]:

I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we decide to buy it.

Even shorter:

  http://ru.by/

Nobody in Belarus? :wink:

(dave) #9

http://ru.by/

Great!!!

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(Daniel Schierbeck) #10

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

Hi,

>I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and >easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's >up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't >think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we >decide to buy it.

I have mailed the owner of ruby.net about two years ago, and got no
response. Perhaps I should have shown him (big amount of) money.

              matz.

I'm not sure I'll get a response from him either, but I think it's worth a try.

Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck

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In message "Re: www.ruby.net" > on Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@gmail.com> writes:

(Xeno Campanoli) #11

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

Hi,

I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we decide to buy it.

The problem with this is that gem dealers and the like are pretty money oriented folks and will likely drive a hard bargain. I'd recommend getting ruby.japan (or whatever the country code is) as a better buy and I think it looks cooler too. Can't you do that? Don't get ruby.us, though, as this country has a very bad reputation and is soon gonna be in deep and irreparable depression.
xc

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In message "Re: www.ruby.net" > on Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@gmail.com> writes:

I have mailed the owner of ruby.net about two years ago, and got no
response. Perhaps I should have shown him (big amount of) money.

            matz.

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(Luke Duncalfe) #12

there's nothing wrong with having a few domains all point to the same space
... i would really like to use ru.by but as people have pointed out, ruby.net
would be more sensible. whoever gets ruby.net should think about getting
ru.by at the same time, and point them both to the same site!

ps) all this discussion in increasing the chance some malicious person snaps
both up before someone legitimate does.

luke

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Hi,

At Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:17 +0900,
Daniel Schierbeck wrote in [ruby-talk:153101]:
> I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
> easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
> up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
> think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
> decide to buy it.

Even shorter:

  http://ru.by/

Nobody in Belarus? :wink:

--
Nobu Nakada

(Daniel Schierbeck) #13

Dibya Prakash wrote:

Hi,
Even i m ready to help in the documentation.I propose ruby.org be used
for community development purpose and ruby.net for the Ruby opn source
projects.

Thanks n Regards
Dibya Prakash

Maybe we could even make a new Ruby site (with a php.net style
documentation!). Well, we can always discuss that later.

I'm for that. I would gladly help with documentation work.

The problem with ruby.org is that it's being used as an e-mail domain - I doubt we'll be able to purchase it. We *could* give it a try though.

But ruby.net should suffice - we could always create subdomains, i.e. dev.ruby.net, doc.ruby.net, help.ruby.net, download.ruby.net etc. etc.

Cheers,
Daniel Schierbeck

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On 8/21/05, Greg Donald <destiney@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/21/05, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@gmail.com> wrote:

(Paul van Tilburg) #14

>>I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and
>>easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's
>>up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't
>>think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we
>>decide to buy it.
>
>Even shorter:
>
> http://ru.by/
>
>Nobody in Belarus? :wink:

While it definately sounds cool, I think people are most comfortable
with .com, .org and .net domains. Getting the .com would actually be the
best (even though ruby isn't commercial in any way), since ruby.com is
the first place people would look if they heard the name "Ruby".

Indeed.

If there are no objections to the idea I think we should find someone
trustworthy, send him some money and have him purchase the domain (I'm
kinda new here, so I don't think that many people will trust me with
their money). If there's another method you prefer, don't be afraid to
write it here. I've never done this before, so I won't flame you...

Registering a .net domain at a Dutch company I know is EUR 7.50 (about
9.00 USD) per year (a great company btw, as in: they regularly send
customer surveys about what's good and bad and they actually act on it?!
-- recommended for Dutch people), so I think the money isn't the issue
here. I say this just to give an estimate about what the costs are.
But the problem is indeed continuity and maintenance. Who is going to
keep it up for the years coming?

Paul

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On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 09:36:17PM +0900, Daniel Schierbeck wrote:

nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

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(Dibya Prakash) #15

Hi,

http://ru.by/ sounds great....but definitely ruby.net is better.As for
the development and maintenance,ruby-lang.org people are best to
deceide.
I do agree with the idea of a wiki.

Thanks n Regards
Dibya Prakash

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On 8/21/05, dave <dave.m@email.it> wrote:

> http://ru.by/
Great!!!

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horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

(James Britt) #16

Dibya Prakash wrote:

Hi,
Even i m ready to help in the documentation.

Are you subscribed to the ruby-doc mailing list?

See the Ruby documentation Web site:
http://www.ruby-doc.org/

"If you are interested in helping the documentation process, there is a ruby-doc mailing list. You can subscribe to the mailing list by sending a request to ruby-doc-ctl@ruby-lang.org, with a message body in the following format:

subscribe your-name

(Do not use an E-mail address for your-name. Use your actual name.) "

All assistance appreciated.

Thanks,

James

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(Luke Duncalfe) #17

oriented folks and will likely drive a hard bargain. I'd recommend
getting ruby.japan (or whatever the country code is) as a better buy and
I think it looks cooler too. Can't you do that? Don't get ruby.us,
though, as this country has a very bad reputation and is soon gonna be
in deep and irreparable depression.

just checked and ruby.jp has been bought already.

i wonder if the del.icio.us people would let us have rubyl.icio.us ; )

(James Britt) #18

luke wrote:

there's nothing wrong with having a few domains all point to the same space
... i would really like to use ru.by but as people have pointed out, ruby.net
would be more sensible. whoever gets ruby.net should think about getting
ru.by at the same time, and point them both to the same site!

ps) all this discussion in increasing the chance some malicious person snaps
both up before someone legitimate does.

So what? I suspect most people learn about Ruby from assorted online resources, and follow links to get to places of interest. Or use Google. Or del.icio.us or similar social software. If someone types a wrong URL, odds are they will figure out fairly quick how to get to where they want.

Yes, a neat, obvious URL is a treat, but not as important as reputation and Google page rank.

James

(Michael Shigorin) #19

Except that you need to live there to register the domain,
or seems so. At least I've failed to get censored.by a few years
ago :slight_smile:

Still I know enough active Ruby users in Belarus...

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On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 10:47:50PM +0900, dave wrote:

> http://ru.by/
Great!!!

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(David A. Black) #20

Hi --

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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Paul van Tilburg wrote:

Registering a .net domain at a Dutch company I know is EUR 7.50 (about
9.00 USD) per year (a great company btw, as in: they regularly send
customer surveys about what's good and bad and they actually act on it?!
-- recommended for Dutch people), so I think the money isn't the issue
here. I say this just to give an estimate about what the costs are.
But the problem is indeed continuity and maintenance. Who is going to
keep it up for the years coming?

I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
and unofficial.

David

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