On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 09:36:17PM +0900, Daniel Schierbeck wrote:
nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:
I think we should purchase www.ruby.net - it's much cleaner and easy-to-pass-on-to-others than www.ruby-lang.org, it's shorter, and it's up for sale (www.ruby.org isn't being used for a website, but I don't think it's for sale). I'd be happy to chip in with some cash if we decide to buy it.
While it definately sounds cool, I think people are most comfortable with .com, .org and .net domains. Getting the .com would actually be the best (even though ruby isn't commercial in any way), since ruby.com is the first place people would look if they heard the name "Ruby".
Indeed.
If there are no objections to the idea I think we should find someone trustworthy, send him some money and have him purchase the domain (I'm kinda new here, so I don't think that many people will trust me with their money). If there's another method you prefer, don't be afraid to write it here. I've never done this before, so I won't flame you...
Registering a .net domain at a Dutch company I know is EUR 7.50 (about
9.00 USD) per year (a great company btw, as in: they regularly send
customer surveys about what's good and bad and they actually act on it?! -- recommended for Dutch people), so I think the money isn't the issue
here. I say this just to give an estimate about what the costs are.
But the problem is indeed continuity and maintenance. Who is going to
keep it up for the years coming?
Paul
ruby.net is already owned by an individual (probably a domain stockpiler), so it will probably be a lot more expensive. I've just mailed him, so we'll see if or how he responds.
Registering a .net domain at a Dutch company I know is EUR 7.50 (about
9.00 USD) per year (a great company btw, as in: they regularly send
customer surveys about what's good and bad and they actually act on it?!
-- recommended for Dutch people), so I think the money isn't the issue
here. I say this just to give an estimate about what the costs are.
But the problem is indeed continuity and maintenance. Who is going to
keep it up for the years coming?
I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
and unofficial.
David
Absolutely. But maybe we could use the opportunity (if we actually *do* get the domain) to make a better site. One of the reasons I haven't gotten started on Ruby until now is that I could find a documentation of the high quality of php.net. doc.ruby.net would be ideal for such a documentation site (maybe a wiki?)
But first thing first. Let's get the domain first, give it to the ruby-lang.org guys, and then discuss what to do next.
Registering a .net domain at a Dutch company I know is EUR 7.50 (about
9.00 USD) per year (a great company btw, as in: they regularly send
customer surveys about what's good and bad and they actually act on it?!
-- recommended for Dutch people), so I think the money isn't the issue
here. I say this just to give an estimate about what the costs are.
But the problem is indeed continuity and maintenance. Who is going to
keep it up for the years coming?
I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
and unofficial.
ruby.net is already owned by an individual (probably a domain
stockpiler), so it will probably be a lot more expensive. I've just
mailed him, so we'll see if or how he responds.
This will be expensive (surely in the > US$ 100.000 range)!!!
Without doubt.
Look at the prices and you can see that you can make a fortune with only
selling a few Jewels. I doubt he will give it away. Also look at the
search terms that are used and will see that "jewels" meaning of ruby
is searched for about a 100 times more then the language. Nobody would
give up such an easy way to increase there google page rank on it.
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Not that my opinion means much, but something new is what I was hoping
for.. the official-ness of the project doesn't much matter to me
either way. The current Ruby docs leave much to be desired,
especially after using php.net/docs for so long.
"Like all craftsmen, hackers like good tools." -- Paul Graham
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On 8/21/05, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:
I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
and unofficial.
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Getting something like ruby.net is probably not going to be cheap,
probably one of the reasons they went with ruby-lang.org in the first
place.
What about rubellion.org ;).
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On 8/21/05, Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@gmail.com> wrote:
David A. Black wrote:
> Hi --
>
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Paul van Tilburg wrote:
>
>> Registering a .net domain at a Dutch company I know is EUR 7.50 (about
>> 9.00 USD) per year (a great company btw, as in: they regularly send
>> customer surveys about what's good and bad and they actually act on it?!
>> -- recommended for Dutch people), so I think the money isn't the issue
>> here. I say this just to give an estimate about what the costs are.
>> But the problem is indeed continuity and maintenance. Who is going to
>> keep it up for the years coming?
>
>
> I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
> team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
> and unofficial.
>
>
> David
>
Absolutely. But maybe we could use the opportunity (if we actually *do*
get the domain) to make a better site. One of the reasons I haven't
gotten started on Ruby until now is that I could find a documentation of
the high quality of php.net. doc.ruby.net would be ideal for such a
documentation site (maybe a wiki?)
But first thing first. Let's get the domain first, give it to the
ruby-lang.org guys, and then discuss what to do next.
> ruby.net is already owned by an individual (probably a domain > stockpiler), so it will probably be a lot more expensive. I've just
> mailed him, so we'll see if or how he responds.
This will be expensive (surely in the > US$ 100.000 range)!!!
Without doubt.
Look at the prices and you can see that you can make a fortune with only
selling a few Jewels. I doubt he will give it away. Also look at the
search terms that are used and will see that "jewels" meaning of ruby
is searched for about a 100 times more then the language. Nobody would
give up such an easy way to increase there google page rank on it.
You're most likely right, but I'm still going to ask the guy. We might just be lucky. If it fails we can buy "www.ru.by"
I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
and unofficial.
Not that my opinion means much, but something new is what I was hoping
for.. the official-ness of the project doesn't much matter to me
either way. The current Ruby docs leave much to be desired,
especially after using php.net/docs for so long.
What matters to me is courtesy and deference to Matz, who has already
said that he has tried to get this domain in the past and who in any
case has a clear moral right to first refusal of whatever is done with
it if it comes into the hands of Rubyists.
There's also already (since late last year, I believe) a huge
initiative underway to redesign the Ruby English-language website. I
don't know where it stands, but I believe the matter of the ruby.net
domain came up in that connection too.
David
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Greg Donald wrote:
On 8/21/05, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:
On 8/21/05, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:
I assume the idea is to turn it over to Matz and the ruby-lang.org
team, to replace that domain, rather than starting up something new
and unofficial.
Not that my opinion means much, but something new is what I was hoping
for.. the official-ness of the project doesn't much matter to me
either way. The current Ruby docs leave much to be desired,
especially after using php.net/docs for so long.
Have you subscribed to the ruby-doc list? Offered assistance there?
Contacted the site admin? Made suggestions to improve what already exists?
... One of the reasons I haven't gotten started on Ruby until now is that
I could find a documentation of the high quality of php.net. doc.ruby.net
would be ideal for such a documentation site (maybe a wiki?)
Ruby's web presence is distributed. The docs you're after are available at:
Contacted the site admin? Made suggestions to improve what already exists?
Someone suggested I grab the latest version of the source and begin to
submit patches. Sounds like a plan except I'm not sure where to get
it. I found this page:
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