"www.ruby-lang.org" still down for maintenance - thats not good

ruby-talk
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Hello,

Its not helpfull to convince other people to use ruby in serious
projects if the main website is down for over 2 weeks.

It's already hard enough but if CTO's see something like this you can
usually stop talking about ruby.

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Lothar Scholz wrote:

Hello,

Its not helpfull to convince other people to use ruby in serious
projects if the main website is down for over 2 weeks.

It's already hard enough but if CTO's see something like this you can
usually stop talking about ruby.

I agree. This has been very bad timing for me: I'm on the cusp of actually convincing my coworkers to use Ruby in our development environment (specifically for code generation, as opposed to using Jelly), and when they try to go to the main Ruby site and it's down, they get a little uncomfortable.

I understand, though, that these things happen and are sometimes pretty hard to get figured out. Is there any estimate of when the site will be back up?

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Also, not easy to deal with is when the news server doesn't let you post
anymore unless you are subscribed to the ruby-talk list....which sort of
defeats the point of a news server.

As an admin I really sympathize with the admins that are dealing with this
problem but as a Ruby newbie I must admit that this state of brokenness is
making me a little nervous about my Ruby based projects that I am
embarking on. I'm somewhat of a beginner and I really rely on help from
others through forums, documentation and web sites.

Thanks,
cere

>
> Its not helpfull to convince other people to use ruby in serious
> projects if the main website is down for over 2 weeks.
>
> It's already hard enough but if CTO's see something like this you can
> usually stop talking about ruby.
>

I agree. This has been very bad timing for me: I'm on the cusp of
actually convincing my coworkers to use Ruby in our development
environment (specifically for code generation, as opposed to using
Jelly), and when they try to go to the main Ruby site and it's down,
they get a little uncomfortable.

I understand, though, that these things happen and are sometimes pretty
hard to get figured out. Is there any estimate of when the site will be
back up?

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Cere M. Davis wrote:

Also, not easy to deal with is when the news server doesn't let you post
anymore unless you are subscribed to the ruby-talk list....which sort of
defeats the point of a news server.

If this is happening, we have a[nother] problem on our hands.

Can you demonstrate this?

Thanks,
Hal

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Also, not easy to deal with is when the news server doesn't let you post
anymore unless you are subscribed to the ruby-talk list....which sort of
defeats the point of a news server.

When I first started trying Ruby, I quit using the newsfeed as quickly as
I could. I'm one of those who considers it to be a bad idea.

As an admin I really sympathize with the admins that are dealing with this
problem but as a Ruby newbie I must admit that this state of brokenness is
making me a little nervous about my Ruby based projects that I am
embarking on. I'm somewhat of a beginner and I really rely on help from
others through forums, documentation and web sites.

Ruby doesn't yet have the "big bucks" behind it the way a number of other
languages do. Perhaps if a company like O'Reilly were to take an interest
in taking care of the web site things would be different. I wish I could
do more to help, but I'm not sure what to do. I am sure that I really want
to see Matz continue to follow his muse and work on the language
development instead of being distracted by trying to promote it.

-- Matt
Weinberg's Law: If builders built buildings the way that programmers wrote
programs, the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Cere M. Davis wrote:

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Is there anything we can help getting the website back online?

Should we "mirror" ruby-lang.org or portions of it?

Ciao,
    -Armin.

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When I try and post through gmane of even through my uw nntp server I get
a message back from ruby-talk-admin saying that I have to send a message
back to ruby-talk-ctl with "guide" in the body of the message. After
sending that, I get a message telling me how to subscribe to the list,
which i did obviously, and then I can a confirmation message, which I
reply to.

Is that helpfull? I'll try and dig up the messages in my sent-mail.

-Cere

Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 04:19:38 +0900
From: Hal Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com>
Reply-To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
To: ruby-talk ML <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Subject: Re: "www.ruby-lang.org" still down for maintenance - thats not
    good

Cere M. Davis wrote:
> Also, not easy to deal with is when the news server doesn't let you post
> anymore unless you are subscribed to the ruby-talk list....which sort of
> defeats the point of a news server.

If this is happening, we have a[nother] problem on our hands.

Can you demonstrate this?

Thanks,
Hal

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            cere@u.washington.edu ph: 206.685.5346
         https://staff.washington.edu/cere

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Hal Fulton wrote:

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Cere M. Davis wrote:

When I try and post through gmane of even through my uw nntp server I get
a message back from ruby-talk-admin saying that I have to send a message
back to ruby-talk-ctl with "guide" in the body of the message. After
sending that, I get a message telling me how to subscribe to the list,
which i did obviously, and then I can a confirmation message, which I
reply to.

Is that helpfull? I'll try and dig up the messages in my sent-mail.

I'm not familiar with gmane -- but in general, comp.lang.ruby should be
accessible to everyone, irrespective of ruby-talk subscription.

Can someone more knowledgeable than I am comment on this?

Thanks,
Hal

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-Cere

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Hal Fulton wrote:

Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 04:19:38 +0900
From: Hal Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com>
Reply-To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
To: ruby-talk ML <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Subject: Re: "www.ruby-lang.org" still down for maintenance - thats not
   good

Cere M. Davis wrote:

Also, not easy to deal with is when the news server doesn't let you post
anymore unless you are subscribed to the ruby-talk list....which sort of
defeats the point of a news server.

If this is happening, we have a[nother] problem on our hands.

Can you demonstrate this?

Thanks,
Hal

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            Cere Davis
    Unix Systems Administrator - CSDE
            cere@u.washington.edu ph: 206.685.5346
         https://staff.washington.edu/cere

GnuPG Key http://staff.washington.edu/cere/gpgkey.txt
Key fingerprint = B63C 2361 3B9B 8599 ECC9 D061 3E48 A832 F455 9E7FA

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well, IIRC gmane is actually a newsgroup gateway to any mailing list.
If you switch to comp.lang.ruby instead of gmane.comp.lang.ruby or
whatever it should work. HTH

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il Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:12:04 +0900, "Cere M. Davis" <cere@u.washington.edu> ha scritto::

When I try and post through gmane of even through my uw nntp server I get
a message back from ruby-talk-admin saying that I have to send a message
back to ruby-talk-ctl with "guide" in the body of the message. After
sending that, I get a message telling me how to subscribe to the list,
which i did obviously, and then I can a confirmation message, which I
reply to.

Is that helpfull? I'll try and dig up the messages in my sent-mail.

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Hal Fulton wrote:

I'm not familiar with gmane -- but in general, comp.lang.ruby should be
accessible to everyone, irrespective of ruby-talk subscription.

Can someone more knowledgeable than I am comment on this?

Well, I am posting to comp.lang.ruby without being subscribed to
ruby-talk. I have had no problems so far.

  Rene -- One who prefers the newsgroup very much

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I think GMANE is literally a news facade to a mailing list. So
ultimately, you're sending an email to ruby-talk, not posting a
message to comp.lang.ruby.

Gavin

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On Sunday, June 13, 2004, 8:44:23 AM, Hal wrote:

Cere M. Davis wrote:

When I try and post through gmane of even through my uw nntp server I get
a message back from ruby-talk-admin saying that I have to send a message
back to ruby-talk-ctl with "guide" in the body of the message. After
sending that, I get a message telling me how to subscribe to the list,
which i did obviously, and then I can a confirmation message, which I
reply to.

Is that helpfull? I'll try and dig up the messages in my sent-mail.

I'm not familiar with gmane -- but in general, comp.lang.ruby should be
accessible to everyone, irrespective of ruby-talk subscription.

Can someone more knowledgeable than I am comment on this?

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Gavin Sinclair wrote:

I think GMANE is literally a news facade to a mailing list. So
ultimately, you're sending an email to ruby-talk, not posting a
message to comp.lang.ruby.

It is, and does so for quite a number of mailing lists. I've run into this problem trying to post to other lists via GMANE. GMANE tries to negotiate some sort of user authentication to prevent spamming the mailing list.

James

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Gavin