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From: Mills Thomas (app1tam) [mailto:app1tam@ups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:20 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: Why did you switch from Python to Ruby?
An ordinary googlage (not groups) for “switched from Ruby” reveals one URL:
where the author switched to Java for speed reasons.
“switched to Ruby” gives 142 hits.
Drew
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From: Sean O’Dell [mailto:sean@cSePlsoAfMt.com[REMOVE_THE_SPAM]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:04 PM
To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Subject: Re: Why did you switch from Python to Ruby?
I may not be the best qualified to answer this, because I looked at
Python, scowled, and ran before I got to do any serious
programming, but
I have an interesting question you can ask yourself:
How many posts can you find on Google/Groups (Usenet) from people
stating they used to program in Ruby and switched to something else?
I would wager you will find zero. This isn’t just pro-Ruby
FUD, either,
I have a point to make. Everyone has a reason for plugging their
favorite language, and you will find arguments for every programming
language on the face of the earth, even the worst of the worst. So,
perhaps instead of basing your decision on the presentation of what
people have to say (who may not have the charisma to convince you and
you will run off with the wrong language), try looking around and
finding who left what languages for what reasons and weigh
that information.
My point here is, I have yet to hear of a single person who left Ruby
for another scripting language.
I’m sure people have left Ruby for certain pragmatic reasons (“my job
requires me to write in Perl” or “Ruby just isn’t as fast as
assembly”),
but I have trouble imagining even one person leaving Ruby because it
wasn’t a good enough script language for them. You can find
people who
never tried it, or tried it for a day and missed their old language
Perl/Python/Bash/Basic so much they had to go back, but I
doubt you can
find any Ruby-expatriates among the group of people who have
given it a
solid try.
Go Google for people who left Ruby and count them and enumerate their
reasons, if any. Ponder that for awhile.
Sean O’Dell
Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
This question is only meant to apply to people who used to
use Python,
but switched to Ruby. Why did you do so?
Motive for my question: I am language / platform shopping and
comparing the pros and cons of Python, C#, and anything
that comes up
on the radar in the course of it. A lot of people who know about
Python seem to know about Ruby. Someone in
comp.lang.python suggested
that I should ask this particular question here to get more
complete
opinions. The c.l.p people are mostly happy with Python
and see few
if any advantages to Ruby, although there is some discussion and
dissention.
The trouble is more that the search would only catch the first one, and
not the second one. If google were more capable, you might be able to
do a wildcard/regex search to match the second one, but otherwise it’s
pretty hard, though you might get something reasonable with “switched
to” “from Ruby”.
The trouble is more that the search would only catch the first one, and
not the second one. If google were more capable, you might be able to
do a wildcard/regex search to match the second one, but otherwise it’s
pretty hard, though you might get something reasonable with “switched
to” “from Ruby”.
KISS. Search for “switched” “Ruby”. Use your brain to figure out what
direction the switch was made, or what the typical formulations of the
sentiment were.
Using this approach on the Google newsgroup archives, and restricting to
comp.*, I immediately found a thread from this group with 73 posts. “What
New Language After Ruby?” I’m not exactly certain how to shorten these URLs
anymore, so here’s the peanut butter:
KISS. Search for “switched” “Ruby”. Use your brain to figure
out what direction the switch was made, or what the typical
formulations of the sentiment were.
Using this approach on the Google newsgroup archives, and
restricting to comp.*, I immediately found a thread from this
group with 73 posts. “What New Language After Ruby?” I’m not
exactly certain how to shorten these URLs anymore, so here’s
the peanut butter:
That thread mentions the Language of the Year (LotY) project, and
the Pragmatic Programmer website lists Haskell as LotY 2002.
Ummm … did I miss something? Aren’t we almost into 2004??
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On Wednesday 20 August 2003 01:26, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
I whole-heartedly agree we should learn a new programming language every
year. I think though, for me, it has to at least have the promise of
being better than Ruby for me to bother.
As far as I know, nothing with that promise has arrived.
Haskell was definitely worth the learning experience. Right now some of
us over on the LotY group have settled on Oz, whose enthusiastically
multiparadigm nature promises to be fun. And I’m also learning Nice for
pragmatic reasons - it’s the only really attractive language I’ve seen
that compiles to JVM bytecode. None of them are necessarily better than
Ruby, but they play in different sandpits altogether, so the comparison
doesn’t arise.
I whole-heartedly agree we should learn a new programming language every
year. I think though, for me, it has to at least have the promise of
being better than Ruby for me to bother.
As far as I know, nothing with that promise has arrived.
I whole-heartedly agree we should learn a new programming language every
year. I think though, for me, it has to at least have the promise of
being better than Ruby for me to bother.
As far as I know, nothing with that promise has arrived.
Haskell was definitely worth the learning experience. Right now some of
us over on the LotY group have settled on Oz, whose enthusiastically
multiparadigm nature promises to be fun. And I’m also learning Nice for
pragmatic reasons - it’s the only really attractive language I’ve seen
that compiles to JVM bytecode. None of them are necessarily better than
Ruby, but they play in different sandpits altogether, so the comparison
doesn’t arise.
Haskell is on my list of top 50 things to learn. Life is so short.
On the subject of switching languages… maybe we should ask
ts (Guy Decoux) why he switched from French to Ruby…
Hal
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----- Original Message -----
From: “Martin DeMello” martindemello@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Why did you switch from Python to Ruby?
Nobody really uses ‘switched from’