When will the gateway be back?

I really prefer to read comp.lang.ruby instead of being subscribed to
a mailing list. And I've read and posted to c.l.r for years: the
newsgroup model is very much preferrable for me.

However, the gateway between this mailing list and c.l.r has been down
for a while now and there aren't nearly as many posts over there. So
I finally gave in and subscribed. Not good having things divided like
this. Any word on when the gateway will be back?

I don't know if this has been discussed here. The search tools for
the mailing list aren't all that great.

Phil

I really prefer to read comp.lang.ruby instead of being subscribed to
a mailing list. And I've read and posted to c.l.r for years: the
newsgroup model is very much preferrable for me.

+1

However, the gateway between this mailing list and c.l.r has been down
for a while now and there aren't nearly as many posts over there. So
I finally gave in and subscribed. Not good having things divided like
this. Any word on when the gateway will be back?

I'm not sure about the state of the gateway. AFAIK it's been shut
down generally and will not come back anytime soon. You can find some
info in the recent thread "Gateway and the new ruby-talk-google
archive".

Kind regards

robert

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2006/5/17, Phil Tomson <rubyfan@gmail.com>:

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Have a look: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fussel-foto/

I know this was discussed some weeks ago, but I don't recall with certainty:
is the gateway currently gone simply because of a lack of a machine to run it
on?

Thanks,

Kirk Haines

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On Tuesday 16 May 2006 11:28 pm, Phil Tomson wrote:

However, the gateway between this mailing list and c.l.r has been down
for a while now and there aren't nearly as many posts over there. So
I finally gave in and subscribed. Not good having things divided like
this. Any word on when the gateway will be back?

Robert Klemme wrote:

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2006/5/17, Phil Tomson <rubyfan@gmail.com>:

I really prefer to read comp.lang.ruby instead of being subscribed to
a mailing list. And I've read and posted to c.l.r for years: the
newsgroup model is very much preferrable for me.

+1

+1

Unless someone can tell me how to do the equivalent of "kill thread".
I can toggle this with a single 'k' in Thunderbird.

Later,
--
Bil
http://fun3d.larc.nasa.gov

The gateway is currently gone, as I understand it, because the
gateway's owner's changed news providers. The original provider
allowed a gateway. The new provider was supposed to do so, but reneged
on this.

Someone needs a news provider and machine that can be the gateway.
Maybe we should see about twisting someone's corporate arm to do so :wink:

-austin

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On 5/17/06, Kirk Haines <khaines@enigo.com> wrote:

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 11:28 pm, Phil Tomson wrote:
> However, the gateway between this mailing list and c.l.r has been down
> for a while now and there aren't nearly as many posts over there. So
> I finally gave in and subscribed. Not good having things divided like
> this. Any word on when the gateway will be back?
I know this was discussed some weeks ago, but I don't recall with certainty:
is the gateway currently gone simply because of a lack of a machine to run it
on?

--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com
               * Alternate: austin@halostatue.ca

I think in googlemail you always delete whole threads - if you delete
at all. :slight_smile:

robert

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2006/5/17, Bil Kleb <Bil.Kleb@nasa.gov>:

Robert Klemme wrote:
> 2006/5/17, Phil Tomson <rubyfan@gmail.com>:
>> I really prefer to read comp.lang.ruby instead of being subscribed to
>> a mailing list. And I've read and posted to c.l.r for years: the
>> newsgroup model is very much preferrable for me.
>
> +1

+1

Unless someone can tell me how to do the equivalent of "kill thread".
I can toggle this with a single 'k' in Thunderbird.

--
Have a look: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fussel-foto/

It's something that I am probably willing to run, if there is a news provider
that I can access.

Thanks,

Kirk Haines

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On Wednesday 17 May 2006 10:01 am, Austin Ziegler wrote:

Someone needs a news provider and machine that can be the gateway.
Maybe we should see about twisting someone's corporate arm to do so :wink:

Ah, but deleting a thread still only deletes the messages currently in
the thread. When subsequent messages arrive, they'll still show in
your inbox, just as a new thread. Where as a kill thread in
Thunderbird, I assume, leaves the thread there collecting its
undesirable children but unshown.

Jacob Fugal

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On 5/17/06, Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> wrote:

2006/5/17, Bil Kleb <Bil.Kleb@nasa.gov>:
> Unless someone can tell me how to do the equivalent of "kill thread".
> I can toggle this with a single 'k' in Thunderbird.

I think in googlemail you always delete whole threads - if you delete
at all. :slight_smile:

That's the real trick; finding such a news provider. Maybe someone
should talk to gmane?

-austin

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On 5/17/06, Kirk Haines <khaines@enigo.com> wrote:

On Wednesday 17 May 2006 10:01 am, Austin Ziegler wrote:
> Someone needs a news provider and machine that can be the gateway.
> Maybe we should see about twisting someone's corporate arm to do so :wink:
It's something that I am probably willing to run, if there is a news provider
that I can access.

--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com
               * Alternate: austin@halostatue.ca

Austin Ziegler wrote:

That's the real trick; finding such a news provider. Maybe someone
should talk to gmane?

I'm reading, and responding, to this thread in gmane.comp.lang.ruby.general.

···

--

Ray

Right. But that's a gmane-specific mailing list interface. My
understanding was they did newsgroups, too.

-austin

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On 5/17/06, Ray Baxter <ray@warmroom.com> wrote:

Austin Ziegler wrote:
> That's the real trick; finding such a news provider. Maybe someone
> should talk to gmane?
I'm reading, and responding, to this thread in gmane.comp.lang.ruby.general.

--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com
               * Alternate: austin@halostatue.ca

Gmail using filters that auto-archive threads (thus bypassing your
inbox) into folders made specifically for each mailing list is a very
efficient setup in my opinion.

-PJ

I love that about Gmail too.

IM(V)HO the two main differences between using Gmail and a "proper"
newsreader are:

- no proper "kill thread", as mentioned above

- Gmail doesn't recognise that a thread has branches of sub-threads, where
people talk about a particular aspect of the main thread. From Gmail's
point of view it's one big list of messages.

This second one doesn't trouble me, but it's the thing that Gmail users seem
to not always "get" when people say they prefer newsreaders.

;Daniel

Just realised, I didn't mention Ruby in that post.. sorry for the OT!

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On 5/18/06, PJ Hyett <pjhyett@gmail.com> wrote:

Gmail using filters that auto-archive threads (thus bypassing your
inbox) into folders made specifically for each mailing list is a very
efficient setup in my opinion.

--
Daniel Baird
http://danielbaird.com (TiddlyW;nks! :: Whiteboard Koala :: Blog :: Things
That Suck)

The other thing is that with news I don't get a bunch of stuff
downloaded to my mailbox or machine.

Phil

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On 5/18/06, Daniel Baird <danielbaird@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/18/06, PJ Hyett <pjhyett@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gmail using filters that auto-archive threads (thus bypassing your
> inbox) into folders made specifically for each mailing list is a very
> efficient setup in my opinion.

I love that about Gmail too.

IM(V)HO the two main differences between using Gmail and a "proper"
newsreader are:

- no proper "kill thread", as mentioned above

- Gmail doesn't recognise that a thread has branches of sub-threads, where
people talk about a particular aspect of the main thread. From Gmail's
point of view it's one big list of messages.

This second one doesn't trouble me, but it's the thing that Gmail users seem
to not always "get" when people say they prefer newsreaders.