We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:
1) ruby-talk itself would improve
2) we'd all know were to look to see what's new without having to
sift
3) other people besides Ryan Davis would announce their projects 
T.
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:1) ruby-talk itself would improve
How?
2) we'd all know were to look to see what's new without having to
sift
Again How? Many folks use filtered feed of ruby-talk that just caters
to announcements (rather than subscribing to mailing list).
Announcements are very important part of ruby-talk, moving
announcements to a different list serves little purpose.
3) other people besides Ryan Davis would announce their projects
Announce away! And may be we should send some ninjas to take away
zenspider's keyboard!
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Trans<transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:
Not counting my latest flood of releases, there are 40 announcements out of 480 email over the last week or roughly 8.33%. If you do count my flood, then it is 72 out of 529 or roughly 13.6%. Either way I hardly think that constitutes the need for another list. seattle.rb, ruby-core, ruby-talk, rubygems-developers, and UW-ruby... I don't need any more ruby based mailing lists. Really, and this is coming from the person who beat you to the punch by SEVEN years [1].
1) ruby-talk itself would improve
it would?
2) we'd all know were to look to see what's new without having to
sift
see that "@gmail.com" part of your email address? I hear they're pretty good at this sort of thing. Even my lowly mac mail app seems to do a damn good job of it.
3) other people besides Ryan Davis would announce their projects
they would?
speculate much?
1) http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51569 and http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51818
On Jun 24, 2009, at 02:06 , Trans wrote:
2) we'd all know were to look to see what's new without having to
sift
Geez, even my crappy Microsquish email client can do:
if Subject contains "[ANN]"
then move to folder "ruby-talk-announce"
... if i wanted it to, that is.
Regards,
Bill
From: "Trans" <transfire@gmail.com>
Trans wrote:
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:1) ruby-talk itself would improve
2) we'd all know were to look to see what's new without having to
sift3) other people besides Ryan Davis would announce their projects
I'd have to vote No! I think a Ruby Talk list is perfectly the correct place (in my mind) to have announcements related to things Ruby developers use/ might want. I have seen numerous threads where people have announced a gem only for it to be followed by quick responses on problems people are facing, what might be wrong with it, etc. This would become a bit more difficult if the gem were announced only on a separate list.
Cheers,
Mohit.
6/24/2009 | 5:30 PM.
I personally never had a feeling off "Duh, what are all the questions
doing between the announcements", nor the other way around.
One particular thing I really like about this list is that is combines
both announcements and discussions. As I skip through all new threads
I eventually get to see interesting stuff, no matter what exactly it is.
Having those two topics seperated would only seem to be a break in my
usual "Let's see whats up in the Ruby world" reading flow.
If such a seperation would ever take place (besides the fact that it
is hardly possible to cleanly enforce that announcements just go to
one list and general discussions to another) the first thing I'd do
would be to save both MLs to one mailbox.
On [Wed, 24.06.2009 18:06], Trans wrote:
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:1) ruby-talk itself would improve
2) we'd all know were to look to see what's new without having to
sift3) other people besides Ryan Davis would announce their projects
T.
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There already is one:
http://groups.google.com/group/ruby-community-announcements
So far, basically unused. Easier just to filter on [ANN] tag.
-greg
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Trans<transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Trans wrote:
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:
We already have not one, but *two* such lists. What do you think a
third one would accomplish that two can't?
Also, the success hasn't exactly been overwhelming: the
rubynet-announce list has had exactly 20 mails in over 6 years(!), and
ruby-community-announcements had 28 mails in more than one year.
[...]
3) other people besides Ryan Davis would announce their projects
35% of the announcements on rubynet-announce@lists.rubynet.org are
from Daniel J Berg, 25% from Ryan Davis, 10% each from Anders
Bengtsson and Michael Davis and 5% each from David Alan Black, Simon
Strandgaard, Jeremy Hylton and Francis Hwang. So, around 70% of the
announcements are by the same people who *already* announce on
comp.lang.ruby. The numbers for ruby-community-announcements are
similar: the majority of mails are release announcements for Prawn
from Gregory Brown, S9 announcements from Gerald Bauer plus some stuff
from John Mettraux, Mike Mondragon and Matt Todd, all of whom already
announce on comp.lang.ruby, I believe.
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:
+1
I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the
rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn't get them all] because
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core
fellas?
Thanks!
=r
--
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I came to ruby-talk to make a release announcement, and stayed for the
conversation.
If there were just a release announcements list separate from ruby-talk, I
probably wouldn't be here.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:1) ruby-talk itself would improve
--
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Double Dog Dare you. 
On Jun 24, 2009, at 02:15 , hemant wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Trans<transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
3) other people besides Ryan Davis would announce their projects
Announce away! And may be we should send some ninjas to take away
zenspider's keyboard!
Now that is a philosophical question, personally I prefer to filter on
the ML address rather than on the subject line, seems much more
reliable. But it is a great thing to do in the meantime if one is
bothered ....
R
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Bill Kelly<billk@cts.com> wrote:
From: "Trans" <transfire@gmail.com>
2) we'd all know were to look to see what's new without having to
siftGeez, even my crappy Microsquish email client can do:
if Subject contains "[ANN]"
then move to folder "ruby-talk-announce"... if i wanted it to, that is.
> We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
> these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
> Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:> 1) ruby-talk itself would improve
How?
Increasing the concentration/orientation of list toward Ruby issues,
problem solving, etc. rather then yet another 0.0.1 bump release.
> 2) we'd all know were to look to see what's new without having to
> siftAgain How? Many folks use filtered feed of ruby-talk that just caters
to announcements (rather than subscribing to mailing list).
Announcements are very important part of ruby-talk, moving
announcements to a different list serves little purpose.
At the very least it means you wouldn't need a filtered feed 
Personally I am interested in both announcements and the rest of ruby-
talk. I would prefer to view the two separately. I am not going to go
out of my way to setup filters that will have only a limited level of
success.
T.
On Jun 24, 5:15 am, hemant <gethem...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Trans<transf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
> these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
> Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:Not counting my latest flood of releases, there are 40 announcements
out of 480 email over the last week or roughly 8.33%. If you do count
my flood, then it is 72 out of 529 or roughly 13.6%. Either way I
hardly think that constitutes the need for another list. seattle.rb,
ruby-core, ruby-talk, rubygems-developers, and UW-ruby...
First, I think 8%-13% is a good bit. But more to the point, it could
be much worse. Consider how it would be if everyone announced as
regularly as you do.
Personally, I wish they did. I often learn of new projects just by
chance --usually a mention on some blog. I would like to encourage
more people to make announcements --even those little 0.0.1 bumps. I
like to see it become a very regular habit of all ruby developers. But
if that happened then we can expect that percentage to shoot way way
up.
I also suspect that many people do not announce b/c they don't want to
add too much "noise" to the list or they don't want to announce their
wares for "all to see" if they don't feel is quite up to snuff yet. If
there was a separate list they could feel more at ease about these
considerations, and as a result the whole community could benefit.
I don't need
any more ruby based mailing lists. Really, and this is coming from the
person who beat you to the punch by SEVEN years [1].> 1) ruby-talk itself would improve
it would?
You used to think so too. Do you think now that the lack of
announcements would make ruby-talk worse?
> 2) we'd all know were to look to see what's new without having to
> siftsee that "@gmail.com" part of your email address? I hear they're
pretty good at this sort of thing. Even my lowly mac mail app seems to
do a damn good job of it.
Many people access the list via other means. I use Google Groups.
There is also Usenet and Ruby Forum, among others. Filtering is not
always so straight-forward.
> 3) other people besides Ryan Davis would announce their projects
they would?
Yes, I think they would. See above.
speculate much?
There's a fine line between calculation and speculation --I think they
call it evaluation.
1)http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51569
andhttp://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51818
I think you make very good points. But something like this cannot work
without being official ruby-lang.org list.
T.
On Jun 24, 5:25 am, Ryan Davis <ryand-r...@zenspider.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 2009, at 02:06 , Trans wrote:
While "announce" indicates a one way form of speech, unlike "talk", I
take your point. However, there's no reason people can't utilize the
announce list to follow up an announce post with "quick responses on
problems people are facing, what might be wrong with it, etc." Such
posts are geared toward issue with the release itself, which makes
sense.
T.
On Jun 24, 5:30 am, Mohit Sindhwani <mo_m...@onghu.com> wrote:
I'd have to vote No! I think a Ruby Talk list is perfectly the correct
place (in my mind) to have announcements related to things Ruby
developers use/ might want. I have seen numerous threads where people
have announced a gem only for it to be followed by quick responses on
problems people are facing, what might be wrong with it, etc. This
would become a bit more difficult if the gem were announced only on a
separate list.
As I stated earlier, this kind of thing cannot work without being an
official list. No one is going to pay any attention to a list that is
not an offical ruby-lang.org list.
T.
On Jun 24, 9:30 am, Jörg W Mittag <JoergWMittag+Use...@GoogleMail.Com> wrote:
Trans wrote:
> We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
> these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
> Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:We already have not one, but *two* such lists. What do you think a
third one would accomplish that two can't?Also, the success hasn't exactly been overwhelming: the
rubynet-announce list has had exactly 20 mails in over 6 years(!), and
ruby-community-announcements had 28 mails in more than one year.[...]
> 3) other people besides Ryan Davis would announce their projects
35% of the announcements on rubynet-annou...@lists.rubynet.org are
from Daniel J Berg, 25% from Ryan Davis, 10% each from Anders
Bengtsson and Michael Davis and 5% each from David Alan Black, Simon
Strandgaard, Jeremy Hylton and Francis Hwang. So, around 70% of the
announcements are by the same people who *already* announce on
comp.lang.ruby. The numbers for ruby-community-announcements are
similar: the majority of mails are release announcements for Prawn
from Gregory Brown, S9 announcements from Gerald Bauer plus some stuff
from John Mettraux, Mike Mondragon and Matt Todd, all of whom already
announce on comp.lang.ruby, I believe.
So in a year or so this has 26 threads and 28 posts.
I think that that's ample evidence that a separate group isn't a very
popular idea.
I'm all for keeping the announcements right here thank you. I already
have way too many info sources to aggregate already.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Gregory Brown<gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Trans<transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.There already is one:
http://groups.google.com/group/ruby-community-announcementsSo far, basically unused. Easier just to filter on [ANN] tag.
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Roger Pack wrote:
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:+1
I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn't get them all] because subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core fellas?
http://vuxu.org/~chris/ruby-talk-ann.rss
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Are you subscribed to:
http://gems.rubyforge.org/index.rss
However, a significant fraction of gem authors forget to put description in their gems, so the feed is not as useful as it should be.
On Jun 24, 2009, at 09:44, Roger Pack wrote:
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:+1
I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the
rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn't get them all] because
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core
fellas?
Considering it should take you less than 30 seconds to make a gmail
filter, my suggestion to you is "become less lazy".
Look, I'll help you out:
Matches: to:(ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org)
Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label "ruby-talk"
On Jun 24, 11:44 am, Roger Pack <rogerpack2...@gmail.com> wrote:
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry.
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-yossef