If there were just a release announcements list separate from ruby-talk, I
probably wouldn't be here.
IMHO most discussions related to announcements begin like "Sounds
great but I cannot get it to work" or "Great stuff. How does this
compare to X?" IMHO such discussions could be allowed on a not so
strict announcement-focused list.
Anyway, as somebody has said it before, if such a list isn't an
official ruby-lang list, only few people will read it, and people will
continue posting announcements to ruby-talk anyway.
and yet we should go out of our way to set up an entire mailing list "that will have only a limited level of success"?
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On Jun 24, 2009, at 03:12 , trans wrote:
Personally I am interested in both announcements and the rest of ruby-
talk. I would prefer to view the two separately. I am not going to go
out of my way to setup filters that will have only a limited level of
success.
> We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
> these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
> Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:
> 1) ruby-talk itself would improve
How?
Increasing the concentration/orientation of list toward Ruby issues,
problem solving, etc. rather then yet another 0.0.1 bump release.
That concentration/orientation thing is just overrated. That utopia of
a mailing list where only insightful and interesting things will be
discussed is just not going to work (case in point "thoughful-ruby"
mailing list).
> 2) we'd all know were to look to see what's new without having to
> sift
Again How? Many folks use filtered feed of ruby-talk that just caters
to announcements (rather than subscribing to mailing list).
Announcements are very important part of ruby-talk, moving
announcements to a different list serves little purpose.
At the very least it means you wouldn't need a filtered feed
Personally I am interested in both announcements and the rest of ruby-
talk. I would prefer to view the two separately. I am not going to go
out of my way to setup filters that will have only a limited level of
success.
It also means, you need a separate list to begin with and as Mohit
pointed out sometimes its interesting to have a discussion about
package being announced right here on ruby-talk, which is the right
channel for such things. A separate list for announcements will be too
limited in scope.
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM, trans<transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 5:15 am, hemant <gethem...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Trans<transf...@gmail.com> wrote:
--
Let them talk of their oriental summer climes of everlasting
conservatories; give me the privilege of making my own summer with my
own coals.
Now that is a philosophical question, personally I prefer to filter on
the ML address rather than on the subject line, seems much more
reliable. But it is a great thing to do in the meantime if one is
bothered ....
Reliable in theory...
I can imagine a rough equivalence between posters who
currently don't know to use [ANN], and folks who would end
up posting announcements to ruby-talk regardless of the
existence of a separate "reliable" announce list.
While "announce" indicates a one way form of speech, unlike "talk", I
take your point. However, there's no reason people can't utilize the
announce list to follow up an announce post with "quick responses on
problems people are facing, what might be wrong with it, etc." Such
posts are geared toward issue with the release itself, which makes
sense.
I guess you're right - it really depends. The way I see it, it keeps all the talk in one place. That said, if another list starts to get used, I would simply sign up to it with the same email address as this one and let it drop into the same mailbox. That way, it would work almost the same - only there is a chance I would get multiple ANN posts (similar to the way it works between Rails-Talk and Ruby-Talk some times).
I agree. It seemed like a good idea at the time and didn't catch on.
Since I had to double post all my announcements anyway, its easier
just to set up filters on RubyTalk.
-greg
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Rick DeNatale<rick.denatale@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Gregory Brown<gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Trans<transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry.
Considering it should take you less than 30 seconds to make a gmail
filter, my suggestion to you is "become less lazy".
I have enough of them,
I do not want other announcements to go to the release label and there
are other issues that have been discussed.
I can happily live with the majority being against Tom's idea, but I
feel that the "c'on use a label" or your friendly "be less lazy", ty
very much ;), simply does not Tom's idea the thinking and credit it
deserves.
Look, I'll help you out:
Matches: to:(ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org)
Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label "ruby-talk"
At least you could have got it right....
Robert
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Yossef Mendelssohn<ymendel@pobox.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 11:44 am, Roger Pack <rogerpack2...@gmail.com> wrote:
I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the
rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn't get them all] because
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core
fellas?
I have no idea if you should ;). I would like it though as soon as the
[Ann] rate hits a 20~30% mark.
Cheers
Robert
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Ryan Davis<ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 2009, at 03:12 , trans wrote:
Personally I am interested in both announcements and the rest of ruby-
talk. I would prefer to view the two separately. I am not going to go
out of my way to setup filters that will have only a limited level of
success.
and yet we should go out of our way to set up an entire mailing list "that
will have only a limited level of success"?
--
Toutes les grandes personnes ont d’abord été des enfants, mais peu
d’entre elles s’en souviennent.
All adults have been children first, but not many remember.
In that case, why not establish a custom of starting discussion of
announcements and topics concerning thereof on [ANN], to be moved to
ruby-talk after a few rounds? This system is already effectively in
use in at least one functional programming community.
That way, later participants would need to go back to [ANN] to catch
up on first rounds of discussions, so they would need to keep [ANN]
and its purpose in mind.
-- Benjamin L. Russell
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:05:45 -0500, Bill Kelly <billk@cts.com> wrote:
From: "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@gmail.com>
Now that is a philosophical question, personally I prefer to filter on
the ML address rather than on the subject line, seems much more
reliable. But it is a great thing to do in the meantime if one is
bothered ....
Reliable in theory...
I can imagine a rough equivalence between posters who
currently don't know to use [ANN], and folks who would end
up posting announcements to ruby-talk regardless of the
existence of a separate "reliable" announce list.
--
Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com
Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725
"Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto."
-- Matsuo Basho^
Let's face it, we're still not that big a community and until there's a couple of thousand regular posters all announcing their latest projects there really isn't going to be sufficient pressure to make a separate announcements list worthwhile.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Rick > DeNatale<rick.denatale@gmail.com> wrote:
So in a year or so this has 26 threads and 28 posts.
I think that that's ample evidence that a separate group isn't a very
popular idea.
I'm all for keeping the announcements right here thank you. I already
have way too many info sources to aggregate already.
I agree. It seemed like a good idea at the time and didn't catch on.
Since I had to double post all my announcements anyway, its easier
just to set up filters on RubyTalk.
Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans
could be happy with how things are going, so that we don't need to go
through the same cycle of:
Trans: I want thing Foo
Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here's what happened
Robert: Hey come on, don't be hard on Trans.
I'm really not trying to be rude here, the archive shows this pattern
clearly, and I think it's problematic.
-greg
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Robert Dober<robert.dober@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Yossef Mendelssohn<ymendel@pobox.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 11:44 am, Roger Pack <rogerpack2...@gmail.com> wrote:
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry.
Considering it should take you less than 30 seconds to make a gmail
filter, my suggestion to you is "become less lazy".
I have enough of them,
I do not want other announcements to go to the release label and there
are other issues that have been discussed.
I can happily live with the majority being against Tom's idea, but I
feel that the "c'on use a label" or your friendly "be less lazy", ty
very much ;), simply does not Tom's idea the thinking and credit it
deserves.
Have a look at releases.ossreleasefeed.com/ There is currently an issue with the hash tags but once sorted, soon, you can simply follow the RSS feed for the hash ruby for example.
Let me know if anyone wants to get involved in improving the current framework for release/announcement specific usage.
Kind Regards,
Schalk
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On 12/10/2009 3:33 PM, Roger Pack wrote:
I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the
rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn't get them all] because
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core
fellas?
You can subscribe to ruby-talk and set up a filter to keep only the
[ANN] emails.
···
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@gmail.com> wrote:
I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the
rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn't get them all] because
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core
fellas?
Actually, there already seems to be a gmane.comp.lang.ruby.announce
newsgroup. I'm already subscribed to this group right now.
Instead of starting another mailing list, why don't we just resurrect
this existing one?
-- Benjamin L. Russell
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:43:19 -0500, Robert Dober <robert.dober@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Ryan Davis<ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 2009, at 03:12 , trans wrote:
Personally I am interested in both announcements and the rest of ruby-
talk. I would prefer to view the two separately. I am not going to go
out of my way to setup filters that will have only a limited level of
success.
and yet we should go out of our way to set up an entire mailing list "that
will have only a limited level of success"?
I have no idea if you should ;). I would like it though as soon as the
[Ann] rate hits a 20~30% mark.
--
Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com
Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725
"Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto."
-- Matsuo Basho^
I agree, maybe someone can point me to a good therapist.
Robert
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Gregory Brown<gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Robert Dober<robert.dober@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Yossef Mendelssohn<ymendel@pobox.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 11:44 am, Roger Pack <rogerpack2...@gmail.com> wrote:
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry.
Considering it should take you less than 30 seconds to make a gmail
filter, my suggestion to you is "become less lazy".
I have enough of them,
I do not want other announcements to go to the release label and there
are other issues that have been discussed.
I can happily live with the majority being against Tom's idea, but I
feel that the "c'on use a label" or your friendly "be less lazy", ty
very much ;), simply does not Tom's idea the thinking and credit it
deserves.
Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans
could be happy with how things are going, so that we don't need to go
through the same cycle of:
Trans: I want thing Foo
Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here's what happened
Robert: Hey come on, don't be hard on Trans.
I'm really not trying to be rude here, the archive shows this pattern
clearly, and I think it's problematic.
Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans
could be happy with how things are going, so that we don't need to go
through the same cycle of:
Trans: I want thing Foo
Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here's what happened
Robert: Hey come on, don't be hard on Trans.
I'm really not trying to be rude here, the archive shows this pattern
clearly, and I think it's problematic.
>>> subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I'm too lazy to setup a
>>> filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry.
>>
>> Considering it should take you less than 30 seconds to make a gmail
>> filter, my suggestion to you is "become less lazy".
> I have enough of them,
> I do not want other announcements to go to the release label and there
> are other issues that have been discussed.
> I can happily live with the majority being against Tom's idea, but I
> feel that the "c'on use a label" or your friendly "be less lazy", ty
> very much ;), simply does not Tom's idea the thinking and credit it
> deserves.
Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans
could be happy with how things are going, so that we don't need to go
through the same cycle of:
loop do
Trans: I want thing Foo
Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here's what happened
Robert: Hey come on, don't be hard on Trans.
sleep rand(100)
end
···
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 05:12:16AM +0900, Gregory Brown wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Robert Dober<robert.dober@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Yossef Mendelssohn<ymendel@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 24, 11:44 am, Roger Pack <rogerpack2...@gmail.com> wrote:
