Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from Mitchell
Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for the Ruby
Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” thing. The
draft is posted on the Wiki page here:
http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyIn2002
Be sure to scroll down to the very bottom of the page, where a long
plain-text section is shown. (It is presented in a format used by most
of the other contributors, and suggested by Mitchell in a separate e-mail).
If you have any last-minute revisions, please make them ASAP. I’d like
to go ahead and submit this to Mitchell tomorrow (Thursday).
it would probably be a keen idea to settle on a term. has the Garden ever had
a poll on this?
-transami
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On Wednesday 08 January 2003 03:15 pm, Lyle Johnson wrote:
All,
Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from Mitchell
Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for the Ruby
Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” thing. The
draft is posted on the Wiki page here:
http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyIn2002
Be sure to scroll down to the very bottom of the page, where a long
plain-text section is shown. (It is presented in a format used by most
of the other contributors, and suggested by Mitchell in a separate e-mail).
If you have any last-minute revisions, please make them ASAP. I’d like
to go ahead and submit this to Mitchell tomorrow (Thursday).
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 05:15 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
All,
Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from
Mitchell Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for
the Ruby Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages”
thing. The draft is posted on the Wiki page here:
Does anyone else think that YAML4R deserves a mention?
I certainly do-- perhaps someone more savvy could write one (if there’s still
time?)
~ Bruce
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On Wednesday 08 January 2003 05:15 pm, Lyle Johnson wrote:
All,
Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from Mitchell
Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for the Ruby
Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” thing. The
draft is posted on the Wiki page here:
http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyIn2002
Be sure to scroll down to the very bottom of the page, where a long
plain-text section is shown. (It is presented in a format used by most
of the other contributors, and suggested by Mitchell in a separate e-mail).
If you have any last-minute revisions, please make them ASAP. I’d like
to go ahead and submit this to Mitchell tomorrow (Thursday).
Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from Mitchell
Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for the Ruby
Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” thing. The
draft is posted on the Wiki page here:
http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyIn2002
Very impressive what you all produced in so little time.
I am sure I could get a German version of this into
a German computer magazines. Is that OK with all the various
editors that contributed to it if I translate it and try to get it published
somewere?
Mitchell sent e-mail to the coordinators with the rough drafts from Lua,
Tcl and Perl; all of them were longer than three paragraphs as well
But if you have any concrete suggestions about where to trim the fat,
now is the time to make them.
I am sure I could get a German version of this into
a German computer magazines. Is that OK with all the various
editors that contributed to it if I translate it and try to get it published
somewere?
OK with me personally, but there were obviously many contributors. At
any rate, you should wait a few days until everyone’s basically happy
with it.
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 07:09 PM, Armin Roehrl wrote:
Based on everyone’s contributions, as well as suggestions from
Mitchell
Charity, I’ve worked up what I hope is the final draft for the Ruby
Community’s submission to the “Year in Scripting Languages” thing. The
draft is posted on the Wiki page here:
http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyIn2002
Very impressive what you all produced in so little time.
I am sure I could get a German version of this into
a German computer magazines. Is that OK with all the various
editors that contributed to it if I translate it and try to get it
published
somewere?
Thanks for the Ruby bit, but where does the whole YiSL “thing” live?
I don’t think it lives anywhere yet. When all of us (the Ruby
contributors, as well as those for the other participating scripting
languages) make their final submissions to Mitchell, I think he plans to
cross-post it to all of the lists/newsgroups. See his original e-mail
(archived on the Wiki page).
yes, sorry. I knew I should have even as I posted but since it was so
long in my mind compared to 3 grafs, I just let it go. but here are
some:
trim the URL section. IMO only links for the main site, Carrera &
Pine tutes, ruby-talk, and the online pickaxe are needed. all the rest
should go on a wiki or ruby-lang page somewhere and that can be linked
to.
include a section header / description for every new paragraph. in
particular, ruby development section, it’s too hard to separate ideas
if you’re just skimming.
mention book publications, but magazine articles don’t need to be
mentioned. these are at the website and easy to find. unless you’re
going to link to their online forms (which just adds length and I dont
recommend), it doesn’t serve any purpose since I’m sure most of the
languages save Lua had articles in the same or similar publications.
cut the mailing list paragraph. include the link to the ruby-lang
page for the ML, but that’s it. the rest can be found at the site if
ppl are interested beyond the article. no one outside the community
cares that we have lists beyond general discussion, every language has
those.
cut the ruby garden graf altogether, or at least to one brief
sentence. link yes, then maybe say it is a unique collaborative
homepage for all things ruby.
trim the ruby graf to saying, ok there was a conference, here were
the 3 major presentations, include the link. otherwise it’s not
interesting to external readers.
IMO, calls for documentation are done inside the community. why would
someone from perl community who has only marginally heard/used ruby
want to document it? even within the community, documentation is
usually a self-initiated process.
ok those are my major issues. I still think ruby development section is
too wordy tho it’s pretty concise as is. maybe just choose the really
important stuff, even if it hurts to cut something. I like the grafs
the size of Martin’s capsules on the wiki. those seemed just right.
even if the section stayed the same length but was broken up into grafs
that size, that would be an improvement b/c skimmers could decide
easier what was of interest to them personally.
you did a good job, I am not complaining about the overall effort. I
just don’t want to bore anyone outside of the community. we should
provoke interest with major features/projects/developments in the
email, not lay out the history of the past year in great detail.
for example, just say the windows version is now native, no need to
list the compiler business. there are a couple other things like that,
too, if you have time to be laser-like in editing.
brennan
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On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 06:09 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
Brennan Leathers wrote:
supposed to be 3 paragraphs. still way too long.
Mitchell sent e-mail to the coordinators with the rough drafts from
Lua, Tcl and Perl; all of them were longer than three paragraphs as
well But if you have any concrete suggestions about where to trim
the fat, now is the time to make them.
I understand rubyists is the traditional (and perhaps correct) term.
but at least for me, it is very awkward to say. I can’t imagine it
being easier to say for people who don’t use English as their first
language as its awkwardness has more to do with the sound of it than
the use of -ists as a suffix, which is precise.
sometimes, a nickname is not needed (can’t think of any for C or its
variants). it is easy enough to say “ruby coders”. I know it’s a point
of pride for some to have a nickname for a project’s users, though…
Brennan
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On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 07:18 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: “Martin DeMello” martindemello@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: The Year in Scripting Languages (Final Draft)
I agree with everything in Brennan’s post except the above. I think
all the links are pretty snazzy and don’t take up too much room (at
least they’re together, so can be avoided by the reader if not
interested).
Brennan suggested a lot of fat be trimmed. I think that if it’s too
painful to cut something out altogether, then summarise it in one
sentence, and put all the summaries in a “Miscellaneous” section down
the bottom. I know that when I’m reading the TCL/Perl/whatever
years-in-review, I will want to see a glimpse of some extra meat,
without being overwhelmed by details.
Gavin
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On Thursday, January 9, 2003, 10:51:19 AM, Brennan wrote:
trim the URL section. IMO only links for the main site, Carrera &
Pine tutes, ruby-talk, and the online pickaxe are needed. all the rest
should go on a wiki or ruby-lang page somewhere and that can be linked
to.
