Paul Robinson wrote:
For what it's worth, the Pragmatic Programmer's series all seem to be watermarked PDFs if they're legit - I bought the PDFs legally - and in the footer of each page in the main part of the books, it will say "Prepared for..." (in my case it says "Paul Robinson") and name the person involved. I'd suggest sending copies to the PP team so they can track down who is stealing from them...
The pickaxe shows "Prepared exclusively for Yeganefar"
it seems it was sent to a lot of e-mail adresses, in alphabetical order, all
e-mail adresses that appeared in my list started with an h or an i..
the only question is why this actually was sent..
anyway, that's not really my problem..
greetings, Dirk.
2006/1/30, dblack@wobblini.net <dblack@wobblini.net>:
Hi --
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Dirk Meijer wrote:
> i got them as well...
> i replied with the questions who he was and why he sent me this, and he
told
> me he was "just trying to help ruby newbies out"..Yeah, newbies.... Guy Decoux was one of the ones on my to list
David
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dblack@wobblini.net"Ruby for Rails", from Manning Publications, coming May 1, 2006!
http://www.manning.com/books/black
I got them too.
James Edward Gray II
On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:21 AM, dblack@wobblini.net wrote:
Hi --
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Dirk Meijer wrote:
i got them as well...
i replied with the questions who he was and why he sent me this, and he told
me he was "just trying to help ruby newbies out"..Yeah, newbies.... Guy Decoux was one of the ones on my to list
Paul Robinson wrote:
I'd advise you destroy all the PDFs that you received illegally. They're not yours, you don't own them, it's piracy. You might think having the PDF is handy, so fine, pay for it.
For what it's worth, the Pragmatic Programmer's series all seem to be watermarked PDFs if they're legit - I bought the PDFs legally - and in the footer of each page in the main part of the books, it will say "Prepared for..." (in my case it says "Paul Robinson") and name the person involved. I'd suggest sending copies to the PP team so they can track down who is stealing from them...
--
Paul Robinson
Ehm, this could be considered a FUD or at least an (uninformed) exaggeration. Or at least, the legal state in some countries doesn't just correspond to it. I'm not (!) questioning the morale, just the "piracy" and "received illegally" parts. Where I live, it's just nonsense and also it's the very rhetorics currently being used by local recording companies to intimidate the people from using the rights the copyright law explicitly grants to them. The "Prepared for..." person also might have nothing to do with it. Tracking down the culprit might be much more difficult than that.
An yeah, you don't own the book even if you pay for it. Or you can have the paper, but you still don't have to have the right to read it. Kind of reminds me the Harry Potter affair, the latest book, AFAIRC...
Jakub
Yes, I was a clear minority on this one! I was surprise by the response
of this list. "Me using a copy I have not paid for. Oh no!" And yet on
a talk on rails, the presenter said one of the advantage of web
applications was that the user did not have a copy of the program to
give to his friends. This is presumably a site with computer folks and
they --- Oh Never -- bootlegged something? They must all be old and
established earning good salaries who have therefore gotten religion.
Or the others did not say anything.
Here is my problem with the pickaxe, as posted recently on a pickaxe
book discussion
"I have no use for databases, and the whole book uses one single
database example, it
seems -- I am allergic to the word "song", it shows up too many time
in that book, every
other word it seems -- "
and I had one person in agreement.
If I can learn ruby in another book, it sounds like the pickaxe will be
good as reference. So all is not lost.
I have had no access to the ruby way, so I can't say. It is not clear
from this list if the files could be compromised. In any case I would
want to wait for this summer when the ruby way second edition is
expected.
Bummer for the Sam's teach yourself ruby not beeing updated.
I got these this morning too.
I'd assumed they were trojans and deleted them, but
I just pulled them out of 'deleted items' (go gmail!) and the pickaxe pdf I got
has the same tagline.
Maybe it's a sting operation by Dave T ? 
On 30/01/06, Peter Hickman <peter@semantico.com> wrote:
The pickaxe shows "Prepared exclusively for Yeganefar"
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Jakub Hegenbart wrote:
Ehm, this could be considered a FUD or at least an (uninformed) exaggeration. Or at least, the legal state in some countries doesn't just correspond to it. I'm not (!) questioning the morale, just the "piracy" and "received illegally" parts. Where I live, it's just nonsense and also it's the very rhetorics currently being used by local recording companies to intimidate the people from using the rights the copyright law explicitly grants to them. The "Prepared for..." person also might have nothing to do with it. Tracking down the culprit might be much more difficult than that.
The name is placed in the PDF by PragProg when they receive an order by the named individual and is presumably associated with some form of payment details. Proving that that person is responsible for the
distribution of the PDF is another matter. There are clues in the other documents but I suspect that these eBooks have been floating around for sometime and some fuckwit thought that the best way to promote Ruby was to send large spam (It works out to around 18Mb in my mailbox) to a list of people who are already actively engaged in Ruby.
And my wife wonders why I don't give up programming to become a technical writer 
*nod* Received these as well, prepared for Yaganefar and sent by Mubin
Aktan's email, assuming it wasn't forged.
On 1/30/06, Peter Hickman <peter@semantico.com> wrote:
Paul Robinson wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, the Pragmatic Programmer's series all seem to be
> watermarked PDFs if they're legit - I bought the PDFs legally - and in
> the footer of each page in the main part of the books, it will say
> "Prepared for..." (in my case it says "Paul Robinson") and name the
> person involved. I'd suggest sending copies to the PP team so they can
> track down who is stealing from them...
The pickaxe shows "Prepared exclusively for Yeganefar"
I as well. Perhaps some of our friends at Yahoo can get his IP to track him?
Tsume
On Monday 30 January 2006 11:28 pm, James Edward Gray II wrote:
On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:21 AM, dblack@wobblini.net wrote:
> Hi --
>
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Dirk Meijer wrote:
>> i got them as well...
>> i replied with the questions who he was and why he sent me this,
>> and he told
>> me he was "just trying to help ruby newbies out"..
>
> Yeah, newbies.... Guy Decoux was one of the ones on my to listI got them too.
+1
Must have been a bot that pulled the list and then partitioned it off.
But why? Why not just hit the list once?
Was this person smart enough to not want to see this stuff archived?
I deleted 2->4 at arrival, did not get 1
On 1/30/06, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:
On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:21 AM, dblack@wobblini.net wrote:
> Hi --
>
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Dirk Meijer wrote:
>
>> i got them as well...
>> i replied with the questions who he was and why he sent me this,
>> and he told
>> me he was "just trying to help ruby newbies out"..
>
> Yeah, newbies.... Guy Decoux was one of the ones on my to listI got them too.
Well, I for one am currently unemployed, and skint (or 'broke' as they
say). I certainly have no religion, and can't say I've never stolen
anything (can anyone?). But as a creative person (I like to think so,
anyway) I cannot condone copyright theft. Sometimes people *need*
things, but they never *need* books / software / music / etc.
In truth I don't get to buy that many books, but that doesn't mean I'm
going to start ripping off people for whom I have tremendous respect,
right in front of their faces, just so I can get something to read.
Especially when those same people go to great lengths to make sure I can
get the info I need anyway, by being active in the community.
On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 20:18 +0900, anne001 wrote:
Yes, I was a clear minority on this one! I was surprise by the response
of this list. "Me using a copy I have not paid for. Oh no!" And yet on
a talk on rails, the presenter said one of the advantage of web
applications was that the user did not have a copy of the program to
give to his friends. This is presumably a site with computer folks and
they --- Oh Never -- bootlegged something? They must all be old and
established earning good salaries who have therefore gotten religion.
Or the others did not say anything.
--
Ross Bamford - rosco@roscopeco.REMOVE.co.uk
And offhand, best I can tell, it wasn't.
On 1/30/06, Matthew Moss <matthew.moss.coder@gmail.com> wrote:
*nod* Received these as well, prepared for Yaganefar and sent by Mubin
Aktan's email, assuming it wasn't forged.
What's the point? While he has violated copyright he did not appear to
do it maliciously, and he is likely from a country where copyright is
not so sanctified as it is in the US and Europe. The cat is out of the
bag and it is extremely difficult to determine what "lost revenue" his
copyright violation may have caused for the copyright holders. Likely
not enough to warrant paying lawyers to track him down and try to sue.
It is likely that some of those who did not delete the emails, read
the books and liked them will choose to purchase the real thing,
either for the paper version or just to pay for the electronic version
out of fairness. Some may not.
I think part of living in the modern internet connected world is
realizing that any copyrighted content you produce will be "pirated"
by some people. I think that needs to be considered one of the costs
of doing business in that realm.
The music and movie companies' campaigns to completely eliminate all
copyright violations are unrealistic and will result in more misery
for the average person than they will solve problems.
Ryan
On 1/30/06, tsumeruby@tsumelabs.com <tsumeruby@tsumelabs.com> wrote:
I as well. Perhaps some of our friends at Yahoo can get his IP to track him?
Quoting Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com>:
But why? Why not just hit the list once?
I imagine the listserv would have refused the messages, as their
attachments were so large.
But, yeah. It's an awful lot of work to go through. It can't have
been a casual thing.
-mental
Ryan Leavengood wrote:
On 1/30/06, tsumeruby@tsumelabs.com <tsumeruby@tsumelabs.com> wrote:
I as well. Perhaps some of our friends at Yahoo can get his IP to track him?
What's the point? While he has violated copyright he did not appear to
do it maliciously, and he is likely from a country where copyright is
not so sanctified as it is in the US and Europe. The cat is out of the
bag and it is extremely difficult to determine what "lost revenue" his
copyright violation may have caused for the copyright holders. Likely
not enough to warrant paying lawyers to track him down and try to sue.
Exactly. I believe that most of the people on this list would buy those items if they wanted them, or already have them.
I think the number of people who received this mail, and now think, "Oh, good; I was going to pay or this, but now I won't", is quite small.
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Quoting Ryan Leavengood <leavengood@gmail.com>:
What's the point?
Everything else aside, there is also the matter of having the
multi-megabyte email blob mass-mailed to everyone; it was a
particularly unkind thing for dialup users.
-mental
I got files 2, 3 and 4 on Jan 29th. I've got the paper copy of all books
except the Lua book, which does not fit in the otherwise respectable
collection.
Christer
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Ryan Leavengood wrote:
On 1/30/06, tsumeruby@tsumelabs.com <tsumeruby@tsumelabs.com> wrote:
I as well. Perhaps some of our friends at Yahoo can get his IP to
track him?What's the point? While he has violated copyright he did not appear to
do it maliciously..
It was an overtly malicious act and I hope the owners of the properties do indeed go after them.
--
J Lambert
Ryan Leavengood wrote:
What's the point?
For the simple fact that he is a spammer perhaps? 18Mb of spam, you
could almost consider that to be a mailbomb, my average spam is around
15Kb per message not 5Mb.
Okay, If I pirated loads of books, what is the point of reading a book many
times unless its a reference book like the pickaxe? I don't think some books
could be considered for repetitive reading. So once the book is read, it
becomes useless to the holder.
I do understand people do pirate books to read them before buying them, and
even programs out there which show parts of the book just aren't enough to
judge a book before buying, but I don't think someone needs to spam everyone
on the list with huge attachments. There should really be a "trial book" from
the publishers if people wished to perform this type of engagement.
Tsume
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 06:49 am, James Britt wrote:
Ryan Leavengood wrote:
> On 1/30/06, tsumeruby@tsumelabs.com <tsumeruby@tsumelabs.com> wrote:
>>I as well. Perhaps some of our friends at Yahoo can get his IP to track
>> him?
>
> What's the point? While he has violated copyright he did not appear to
> do it maliciously, and he is likely from a country where copyright is
> not so sanctified as it is in the US and Europe. The cat is out of the
> bag and it is extremely difficult to determine what "lost revenue" his
> copyright violation may have caused for the copyright holders. Likely
> not enough to warrant paying lawyers to track him down and try to sue.Exactly. I believe that most of the people on this list would buy those
items if they wanted them, or already have them.I think the number of people who received this mail, and now think, "Oh,
good; I was going to pay or this, but now I won't", is quite small.