Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days)

ruby-talk
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Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days)

Top 10 posters for the period:

rank posts kbytes name <address>
   1 17 28.4 gabriele renzi <surrender_it@remove-yahoo.it>
   2 14 38.3 Ara.T.Howard <Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov>
   3 14 34.9 Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@scriptolutions.com>
   4 14 33.2 Brian Schröder <ruby.brian@gmail.com>
   5 11 27.5 Jim Weirich <jim@weirichhouse.org>
   6 11 25.2 James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com>
   7 11 24.0 Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@rawuncut.elitemail.org>
   8 10 25.4 ES <ruby-ml@magical-cat.org>
   9 10 22.4 Markus <markus@reality.com>
  10 9 27.6 James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net>
     ----- ------
       121 286.8 Total for top 10

Totals for the newsgroup:
217 posters
582 articles
1288.6 kbytes

The top 10 accounted for:
   4.61% of the posters
  20.79% of the articles
  22.25% of the bytes

Averages:
   2.68 articles / poster
   2.21 kbytes / article
   5.94 kbytes / poster

54 people posted for the first time this period.
They went on to post 85 articles altogether

The new posters accounted for:
  24.88% of the posters
  14.60% of the articles
  13.46% of the bytes

Top 10 subjects for the period:

posts kbytes subject
   33 67.9 A different perspective on Ruby.
   23 54.0 Intellisense and the psychology of typing
   20 37.4 if __FILE_ == $0 executed twice
   19 42.1 [FYKA] Plz comment
   15 33.0 Vim's Ruby indenting
   14 32.2 new article
   14 24.2 Zerofy
   14 22.8 Ruby on Rails interest in comp.lang.python
   13 29.0 Tk read-only text box
   13 25.7 ADV: Rail Beta Book now available

582 articles on 142 subjects
499 were followups (85.74%)
11 were crossposts (1.89%)

1288.6 kbytes total
headers: 667.5kb 51.80%
quoted text: 181.4kb 14.08%
original text: 380.2kb 29.50%
signatures: 22.2kb 1.72%

Averages:
   4.10 articles / subjetc
   2.21 kbytes / article
   9.07 kbytes / subject

Postings per weekday:

Day posts
Monday 107 ***********
Tuesday 105 ***********
Wednesday 62 ******
Thursday 99 **********
Friday 91 *********
Saturday 60 ******
Sunday 58 ******
                 (*=10 posts)

Top 10 newsreader agents used (accumulated):

posts newsreader users
  410 (70.45%) ruby-talk 137 63.13%
   86 (14.78%) g2 43 19.82%
   30 ( 5.15%) thunderbird 12 5.53%
   19 ( 3.26%) outlook 6 2.76%
    5 ( 0.86%) mozilla 2 0.92%
    5 ( 0.86%) noaa 1 0.46%
    4 ( 0.69%) knode 3 1.38%
    4 ( 0.69%) tin 1 0.46%
    3 ( 0.52%) pan 2 0.92%
    3 ( 0.52%) turnpike 1 0.46%

20 different agents have been used (versions unaccounted).

DISCLAIMER
Please, take these stats with a grain of salt, quantity might not always
denote any quality; on Usenet a poster is better known by the content he
and, or she posts.

Have a lot ..., lots of fun!

2

If you absolutely must post these stats to the list, and if you
absolutely must stick in some kind of so-called "disclaimer", why not
say something positive? How about:

   If you browse the archives, remember that even people who
   are not among the top posters also often have very important and
   interesting things to say, even though they are not listed
   here by name.

David

···

On Mon, 30 May 2005, Balwinder Singh Dheeman wrote:

DISCLAIMER
Please, take these stats with a grain of salt, quantity might not always
denote any quality; on Usenet a poster is better known by the content he
and, or she posts.

--
David A. Black
dblack@wobblini.net

3

> DISCLAIMER
> Please, take these stats with a grain of salt, quantity might not always
> denote any quality; on Usenet a poster is better known by the content he
> and, or she posts.

If you absolutely must post these stats to the list, and if you
absolutely must stick in some kind of so-called "disclaimer", why not
say something positive? How about:

   If you browse the archives, remember that even people who
   are not among the top posters also often have very important and
   interesting things to say, even though they are not listed
   here by name.

I hate add email to what looks like a useless thread, but I have to agree
with David (and all the others who have voiced a similar opinion).

This kind of posting doesn't add to much to the mailing list (if you must
post it, maybe you could coordinate with Tim Sutherland's weekly news).

Worse, the disclaimer is alienating some of the long time, high value
members of the community -- If you must keep posting this, please either
drop the disclaimer or soften it.

···

On 5/31/05, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2005, Balwinder Singh Dheeman wrote:

David

--
David A. Black
dblack@wobblini.net

--
thanks,
-pate
-------------------------
We are often unable to tell people what they need to know, because
they want to know something else, and would therefore only
misunderstand what we said
- the Raven (George MacDonald, Lilith)

4

That's a good one, thanks. I'll re-phrase the disclaimer soon.

···

On 05/31/2005 06:51 PM, David A. Black wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2005, Balwinder Singh Dheeman wrote:

DISCLAIMER
Please, take these stats with a grain of salt, quantity might not always
denote any quality; on Usenet a poster is better known by the content he
and, or she posts.

If you absolutely must post these stats to the list, and if you
absolutely must stick in some kind of so-called "disclaimer", why not
say something positive? How about:

  If you browse the archives, remember that even people who
  are not among the top posters also often have very important and
  interesting things to say, even though they are not listed
  here by name.

--
Dr Balwinder Singh Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709
CLLO (Chief Linux Learning Officer) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192
Anu's Linux@HOME Distros: Ubuntu, Fedora, Knoppix
More: http://anu.homelinux.net/~bsd/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/

5

pat eyler wrote:

I hate add email to what looks like a useless thread, but I have to agree with David (and all the others who have voiced a similar opinion).

I do not see any good argument for continuing to post the stats, disclaimer or not. Put it on a web page. They do not contribute any real value to this discussion list.

James

6

NP, I'll soften the disclaimer soon.

···

On 05/31/2005 10:22 PM, pat eyler wrote:

On 5/31/05, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2005, Balwinder Singh Dheeman wrote:

DISCLAIMER
Please, take these stats with a grain of salt, quantity might not always
denote any quality; on Usenet a poster is better known by the content he
and, or she posts.

If you absolutely must post these stats to the list, and if you
absolutely must stick in some kind of so-called "disclaimer", why not
say something positive? How about:

  If you browse the archives, remember that even people who
  are not among the top posters also often have very important and
  interesting things to say, even though they are not listed
  here by name.

I hate add email to what looks like a useless thread, but I have to agree with David (and all the others who have voiced a similar opinion).

This kind of posting doesn't add to much to the mailing list (if you must post it, maybe you could coordinate with Tim Sutherland's weekly news).

Worse, the disclaimer is alienating some of the long time, high value members of the community -- If you must keep posting this, please either
drop the disclaimer or soften it.

--
Dr Balwinder Singh Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709
CLLO (Chief Linux Learning Officer) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192
Anu's Linux@HOME Distros: Ubuntu, Fedora, Knoppix
More: http://anu.homelinux.net/~bsd/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/

7

Hey, I have worked hard to make these stats available, not only for you but the whole ruby community. FYI, these are being computed by a *Ruby* script.

I appreciate your feed back, but is not that more like a dictator's appeal. I you realy hate these stats, just killfile these :wink:

···

On 05/31/2005 11:44 PM, James Britt wrote:

pat eyler wrote:

I hate add email to what looks like a useless thread, but I have to agree with David (and all the others who have voiced a similar opinion).

I do not see any good argument for continuing to post the stats, disclaimer or not. Put it on a web page. They do not contribute any real value to this discussion list.

--
Dr Balwinder Singh Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709
CLLO (Chief Linux Learning Officer) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192
Anu's Linux@HOME Distros: Ubuntu, Fedora, Knoppix
More: http://anu.homelinux.net/~bsd/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/

8

But did you check to see if they were desired? :slight_smile:

I've seen a lot of requests on here for them to go and no one begging for them to stay. I'll add my voice: I think they belong on a website, not here.

For what it's worth, I would much rather have Chris Pine's Tutorial notices that he didn't feel there was enough approval to start sending...

James Edward Gray II

···

On May 31, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Dr Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:

Hey, I have worked hard to make these stats available, not only for you but the whole ruby community. FYI, these are being computed by a *Ruby* script.

I appreciate your feed back, but is not that more like a dictator's appeal. I you realy hate these stats, just killfile these :wink:

9

> Hey, I have worked hard to make these stats available, not only for
> you but the whole ruby community. FYI, these are being computed by
> a *Ruby* script.
>
> I appreciate your feed back, but is not that more like a dictator's
> appeal. I you realy hate these stats, just killfile these :wink:

But did you check to see if they were desired? :slight_smile:

I've seen a lot of requests on here for them to go and no one begging
for them to stay. I'll add my voice: I think they belong on a
website, not here.

For what it's worth, I would much rather have Chris Pine's Tutorial
notices that he didn't feel there was enough approval to start
sending...

I agree. While these stats may be interesting to a few, they really
don't belong in the general list. They serve no purpose for the
majority of posters, and don't further any discussion other than to
their own existance. Since you seem to be against "dictatorships" I
VOTE that they be moved to a website. And in the spirit of
cooperation if you are un-able to find your own hosting, I will be
more than willing to provide some space.

···

On 5/31/05, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

On May 31, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Dr Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:

James Edward Gray II

--
===Tanner Burson===
tanner.burson@gmail.com
http://tannerburson.com <---Might even work one day...

10

fwiw, I agree...

There *are* some stats in there that I am fairly interested in (count
of new posters, most active threads...), but I really think a data
sheet like this would be better served as a webpage, generated from a
database, with pretty little graphs in place of splat columns :slight_smile: Links
to ruby-talk.org for messages would round it off nicely.

cheers,
Mark

···

On 5/31/05, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

On May 31, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Dr Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:

> Hey, I have worked hard to make these stats available, not only for
> you but the whole ruby community. FYI, these are being computed by
> a *Ruby* script.
>
> I appreciate your feed back, but is not that more like a dictator's
> appeal. I you realy hate these stats, just killfile these :wink:

But did you check to see if they were desired? :slight_smile:

I've seen a lot of requests on here for them to go and no one begging
for them to stay. I'll add my voice: I think they belong on a
website, not here.

11

Glenn Parker pointed out that there was some support for the statistics before I made this post. I apologize to any and all people I misrepresented there. My bad.

I've also noticed the rising support since my post. Clearly some people like the statistics.

I was wrong.

Again, I apologize for not checking enough of the back messages before I posted.

James Edward Gray II

P.S. I, personally, am much more interested in the long term trends of Ruby Talk. If the statistics could evolve to include this or if someone else is looking for a statistics project, that would be my request. I would happily go search some web site when I wanted the information too. :slight_smile: Just FYI.

···

On May 31, 2005, at 6:26 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:

I've seen a lot of requests on here for them to go and no one begging for them to stay. I'll add my voice: I think they belong on a website, not here.

12

Well, I'll admit that they are interesting to me.

I will also say this: BSD's post is JUST as relevant (and, IMO, important) to the list as say, Ruby Weekly News posts. Both are data about the list itself, one being an index and the other being an aggregate. I like both. I wish both to stay. I wish both to stay on the mailing list as that is what they pertain to. If anything, the stats should ALSO go to a website. I'd also provide space to host them if needed.

···

On May 31, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Tanner Burson wrote:

On 5/31/05, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

On May 31, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Dr Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:

Hey, I have worked hard to make these stats available, not only for
you but the whole ruby community. FYI, these are being computed by
a *Ruby* script.

I agree. While these stats may be interesting to a few, they really
don't belong in the general list. They serve no purpose for the
majority of posters, and don't further any discussion other than to
their own existance. Since you seem to be against "dictatorships" I
VOTE that they be moved to a website. And in the spirit of
cooperation if you are un-able to find your own hosting, I will be
more than willing to provide some space.

--
ryand-ruby@zenspider.com - Seattle.rb - http://www.zenspider.com/seattle.rb
http://blog.zenspider.com/ - http://rubyforge.org/projects/ruby2c

13

In a similar vein, here's a nice medium-term (2 years or so) chart of
the number of new RubyForge users each month:

http://infoether.com/~tom/new_folks.png

Good times!

Tom

···

On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 23:31 +0900, James Edward Gray II wrote:

P.S. I, personally, am much more interested in the long term trends
of Ruby Talk.

14

I've seen a lot of requests on here for them to go and no one begging for them to stay. I'll add my voice: I think they belong on a website, not here.

Glenn Parker pointed out that there was some support for the statistics before I made this post. I apologize to any and all people I misrepresented there. My bad.

I've also noticed the rising support since my post. Clearly some people like the statistics.

I was wrong.

Again, I apologize for not checking enough of the back messages before I posted.

James Edward Gray II

P.S. I, personally, am much more interested in the long term trends of Ruby Talk. If the statistics could evolve to include this or if someone else is looking for a statistics project, that would be my request. I would happily go search some web site when I wanted the information too. :slight_smile: Just FYI.

That's nice of you.

FYI, I read and watch every post, and never killfiled anyone till date, but simply ignore the trolls and, or posts for which I don't have an appropriate reply.

OTOH, It is notable that people over here have been throwing as big a 27.3 Kb posts, but nobody have bothered to care and, or warn them; even including me :frowning:

----- evidence follows -----
Path: x-privat.org!news.moat.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!agilent.com!not-for-mail
Message-ID: <1114618790.74543@cswreg.cos.agilent.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
References: <20050426.224546.74726132.nagai@ai.kyutech.ac.jp> <1114543272.399518@cswreg.cos.agilent.com>

···

On 06/01/2005 08:01 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:

On May 31, 2005, at 6:26 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:

From: Brett Williams <brett_williams@agilent.com>
Subject: Re: tk_optionMenu bug in 1.8.2
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:19:49 -0600
<20050427134711.1A7CE290.ocean@m2.ccsnet.ne.jp> <20050427.180404.74748274.nagai@ai.kyutech.ac.jp>
Lines: 705
Organization: Agilent Technologies
NNTP-Posting-Host: cswreg.cos.agilent.com
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
  boundary="------------000400030303070702020802"
X-Trace: cswtrans.cos.agilent.com 1114618790 7510 130.29.154.45 (27 Apr 2005 16:19:50 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: usenet@cswtrans.cos.agilent.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:19:50 +0000 (UTC)
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040502)
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
In-Reply-To: <20050427.180404.74748274.nagai@ai.kyutech.ac.jp>
Cache-Post-Path: cswreg.cos.agilent.com!unknown@darkshore.ftc.agilent.com
X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/\)
Xref: news.sebs.org.in comp.lang.ruby:1480

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------000400030303070702020802
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
---- evidence ends ----

Whereas, some of the learned posters have been treating these less than 3 kb stats and much informative reports as a noise on the list ruby-talk and, or comp.lang.ruby newsgroup.

--
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CLLO (Chief Linux Learning Officer) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192
Anu's Linux@HOME Distros: Ubuntu, Fedora, Knoppix
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15

I could easily have put these on a webpage, but I think these do not belong to any such website and, or page.

I agree graphs always serve a better picture, but that's only on a webpage; not here.

···

On 06/01/2005 06:22 AM, Mark Hubbart wrote:

On 5/31/05, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

On May 31, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Dr Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:

Hey, I have worked hard to make these stats available, not only for
you but the whole ruby community. FYI, these are being computed by
a *Ruby* script.

I appreciate your feed back, but is not that more like a dictator's
appeal. I you realy hate these stats, just killfile these :wink:

But did you check to see if they were desired? :slight_smile:

I've seen a lot of requests on here for them to go and no one begging
for them to stay. I'll add my voice: I think they belong on a
website, not here.

fwiw, I agree...

There *are* some stats in there that I am fairly interested in (count
of new posters, most active threads...), but I really think a data
sheet like this would be better served as a webpage, generated from a
database, with pretty little graphs in place of splat columns :slight_smile: Links
to ruby-talk.org for messages would round it off nicely.

--
Dr Balwinder Singh Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709
CLLO (Chief Linux Learning Officer) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192
Anu's Linux@HOME Distros: Ubuntu, Fedora, Knoppix
More: http://anu.homelinux.net/~bsd/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/

16

> P.S. I, personally, am much more interested in the long term trends
> of Ruby Talk.

In a similar vein, here's a nice medium-term (2 years or so) chart of
the number of new RubyForge users each month:

http://infoether.com/~tom/new_folks.png

Wow, that drop at the end is spooky. Where there problems in april/may?

re: Stats comp.lang.ruby
any chance you'll be releasing that code as open source Balwinder? It
could be handy for another language list that I'm on.

···

On 6/1/05, Tom Copeland <tom@infoether.com> wrote:

On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 23:31 +0900, James Edward Gray II wrote:

Good times!

Tom

--
Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)

17

Great scott! I had forgotten to install a new cron job when I upgraded
RubyForge to GForge 4, so the reporting tables weren't getting updated.
Fixed, and here's the new chart:

http://infoether.com/~tom/new_folks.png

But yup, May was a bit slower than April - 175 new users vs 215 new
users. The very steep dropoff at the end just reflects that we're only
a day into June right now.

Thanks for the nudge,

Tom

···

On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 12:12 +0900, Bill Guindon wrote:

Wow, that drop at the end is spooky. Where there problems in april/may?

18

P.S. I, personally, am much more interested in the long term trends
of Ruby Talk.

In a similar vein, here's a nice medium-term (2 years or so) chart of
the number of new RubyForge users each month:

http://infoether.com/~tom/new_folks.png

Wow, that drop at the end is spooky. Where there problems in april/may?

re: Stats comp.lang.ruby
any chance you'll be releasing that code as open source Balwinder? It
could be handy for another language list that I'm on.

Why not? It is a bit integrated to a _modified_ *Leafnode* (http://sourceforge.net/projects/leafnode\), an NNTP proxy server's local cache to avoid wastage of bandwidth and also depends on a _modified_ *newspost* (http://newspost.unixcab.org/\) software. I still am working

···

On 06/02/2005 08:42 AM, Bill Guindon wrote:

On 6/1/05, Tom Copeland <tom@infoether.com> wrote:

On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 23:31 +0900, James Edward Gray II wrote:

on improving the code and wanted to release it after removing the said dependencies. Because, developers of both the above teams have not merged my code till yet. :frowning:

FYI, The newsstats is 18k pure ruby source, started on February 3, 2004
a pre-release version of newsstats have matured to version 1.2.1 and revision 30th.

Let me know, if you need even a pre-release version it.

--
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CLLO (Chief Linux Learning Officer) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192
Anu's Linux@HOME Distros: Ubuntu, Fedora, Knoppix
More: http://anu.homelinux.net/~bsd/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/

19

> Wow, that drop at the end is spooky. Where there problems in april/may?

Great scott! I had forgotten to install a new cron job when I upgraded
RubyForge to GForge 4, so the reporting tables weren't getting updated.
Fixed, and here's the new chart:

http://infoether.com/~tom/new_folks.png

Ahh, much better :slight_smile:

But yup, May was a bit slower than April - 175 new users vs 215 new
users. The very steep dropoff at the end just reflects that we're only
a day into June right now.

Figured as much with it being the 1st, was the fact that it went back
to april that spooked me :slight_smile:

···

On 6/1/05, Tom Copeland <tom@infoether.com> wrote:

On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 12:12 +0900, Bill Guindon wrote:

Thanks for the nudge,

Tom

--
Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)

20

- Dr Balwinder S Dheeman :

Why not? It is a bit integrated to a _modified_ *Leafnode*
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/leafnode\), an NNTP proxy server's local
cache to avoid wastage of bandwidth and also depends on a _modified_
*newspost* (http://newspost.unixcab.org/\) software. I still am working
dependencies. Because, developers of both the above teams have not
merged my code till yet. :frowning:

Interesting.
Does it mean that you're fetching stats from your news spool instead of
using some NNTP ruby lib ?

HAND,
  ngw

···

on improving the code and wanted to release it after removing the said

--
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  Oh my god, make (1) killed Kenny ! You, bastards !

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