Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days)

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Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days)

Top 10 posters for the period:

rank posts kbytes name <address>
   1 27 72.4 David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net>
   2 24 87.2 Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov <Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov>
   3 14 42.4 James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net>
   4 14 28.0 Robert Klemme <bob.news@gmx.net>
   5 12 27.8 Brian Schröder <ruby.brian@gmail.com>
   6 11 28.4 Mark Hubbart <discordantus@gmail.com>
   7 11 22.8 James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com>
   8 10 23.0 Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@rawuncut.el>
   9 9 24.9 nobu.nokada@softhome.net <nobu.nokada@softhome.net>
  10 9 24.8 Christoph <chr_mail@gmx.net>
     ----- ------
       141 381.6 Total for top 10

Totals for the newsgroup:
202 posters
560 articles
1345.3 kbytes

The top 10 accounted for:
   4.95% of the posters
  25.18% of the articles
  28.37% of the bytes

Averages:
   2.77 articles / poster
   2.40 kbytes / article
   6.66 kbytes / poster

69 people posted for the first time this period.
They went on to post 131 articles altogether

The new posters accounted for:
  34.16% of the posters
  23.39% of the articles
  20.73% of the bytes

Top 10 subjects for the period:

posts kbytes subject
   21 53.7 IRB, Mac OS X, command-line require via "-r" and Bus Err
   20 56.7 syntax sugar: treating an object like a method
   19 33.6 Compiling MySQL-Ruby on Tiger
   17 62.1 infinite number of singleton_classes
   17 36.3 Multiple return and parallel assignement
   16 46.1 join not in Enumerable
   16 33.8 Help regarding def wrapper
   13 39.7 Web services and Ruby
   13 29.4 (newbie Q) opposite of inspect for strings
   12 32.5 Ruby/TK on Mac OS X Tiger?

560 articles on 148 subjects
452 were followups (80.71%)
6 were crossposts (1.07%)

1345.3 kbytes total
headers: 622.4kb 46.27%
quoted text: 198.1kb 14.73%
original text: 462.5kb 34.38%
signatures: 21.9kb 1.62%

Averages:
   3.78 articles / subjetc
   2.40 kbytes / article
   9.09 kbytes / subject

Postings per weekday:

Day posts
Monday 98 **********
Tuesday 108 ***********
Wednesday 127 *************
Thursday 72 *******
Friday 60 ******
Saturday 47 *****
Sunday 48 *****
                 (*=10 posts)

Top 10 newsreader agents used (accumulated):

posts newsreader users
  352 (62.86%) ruby-talk 132 65.35%
   61 (10.89%) g2 27 13.37%
   33 ( 5.89%) thunderbird 14 6.93%
   20 ( 3.57%) outlook 6 2.97%
   18 ( 3.21%) noaa 1 0.50%
   15 ( 2.68%) mozilla 4 1.98%
   12 ( 2.14%) slrn 6 2.97%
   10 ( 1.79%) pan 3 1.49%
    7 ( 1.25%) tin 2 0.99%
    6 ( 1.07%) knode 4 1.98%

19 different agents have been used (versions unaccounted).

DISCLAIMER
Please, take these stats with a dash of salt, quantity might not always
imply any quality.

Have a lot ..., lots of fun!

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I know it's been raised before, but I don't recall any suggestions, so
I'll offer mine.

How about...

DISCLAIMER
Please, take these stats with a grain of salt. Quantity does not always
equal quality (but on this list, they're _usually_ pretty close).

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On 5/22/05, Balwinder Singh Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@cto.homelinux.net> wrote:

Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days)

Top 10 posters for the period:

rank posts kbytes name <address>
   1 27 72.4 David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net>
   2 24 87.2 Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov <Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov>
   3 14 42.4 James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net>
   4 14 28.0 Robert Klemme <bob.news@gmx.net>
   5 12 27.8 Brian Schröder <ruby.brian@gmail.com>
   6 11 28.4 Mark Hubbart <discordantus@gmail.com>
   7 11 22.8 James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com>
   8 10 23.0 Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@rawuncut.el>
   9 9 24.9 nobu.nokada@softhome.net <nobu.nokada@softhome.net>
  10 9 24.8 Christoph <chr_mail@gmx.net>
     ----- ------
       141 381.6 Total for top 10

DISCLAIMER
Please, take these stats with a dash of salt, quantity might not always
imply any quality.

--
Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)

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Hi --

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On Mon, 23 May 2005, Bill Guindon wrote:

On 5/22/05, Balwinder Singh Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@cto.homelinux.net> wrote:

Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days)

Top 10 posters for the period:

rank posts kbytes name <address>
   1 27 72.4 David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net>
   2 24 87.2 Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov <Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov>
   3 14 42.4 James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net>
   4 14 28.0 Robert Klemme <bob.news@gmx.net>
   5 12 27.8 Brian Schröder <ruby.brian@gmail.com>
   6 11 28.4 Mark Hubbart <discordantus@gmail.com>
   7 11 22.8 James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com>
   8 10 23.0 Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@rawuncut.el>
   9 9 24.9 nobu.nokada@softhome.net <nobu.nokada@softhome.net>
  10 9 24.8 Christoph <chr_mail@gmx.net>
     ----- ------
       141 381.6 Total for top 10

DISCLAIMER
Please, take these stats with a dash of salt, quantity might not always
imply any quality.

I know it's been raised before, but I don't recall any suggestions, so
I'll offer mine.

My suggestion was to remove this "disclaimer", which serves no
positive purpose and is simply a gratuitous snub to frequent posters.

That suggestion was ignored.

David

--
David A. Black
dblack@wobblini.net

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Hi --

>> Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days)
>>
>> Top 10 posters for the period:
>>
>> rank posts kbytes name <address>
>> 1 27 72.4 David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net>
>> 2 24 87.2 Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov <Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov>
>> 3 14 42.4 James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net>
>> 4 14 28.0 Robert Klemme <bob.news@gmx.net>
>> 5 12 27.8 Brian Schröder <ruby.brian@gmail.com>
>> 6 11 28.4 Mark Hubbart <discordantus@gmail.com>
>> 7 11 22.8 James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com>
>> 8 10 23.0 Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@rawuncut.el>
>> 9 9 24.9 nobu.nokada@softhome.net <nobu.nokada@softhome.net>
>> 10 9 24.8 Christoph <chr_mail@gmx.net>
>> ----- ------
>> 141 381.6 Total for top 10
>>
>> DISCLAIMER
>> Please, take these stats with a dash of salt, quantity might not always
>> imply any quality.
>
> I know it's been raised before, but I don't recall any suggestions, so
> I'll offer mine.

My suggestion was to remove this "disclaimer", which serves no
positive purpose and is simply a gratuitous snub to frequent posters.

That suggestion was ignored.

Yeah, saw that conversation. Guess I meant 'no suggestions for
rewording it to tone it down a bit'. After looking at the last two
weeks of top ten, the disclaimer really seems off base. Think it's
just unfortunate timing since he started posting these when... well, a
disclaimer seemed more fitting.

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On 5/22/05, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2005, Bill Guindon wrote:
> On 5/22/05, Balwinder Singh Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@cto.homelinux.net> wrote:

David

--
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dblack@wobblini.net

--
Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)

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David A. Black wrote:

Hi --

...
I know it's been raised before, but I don't recall any suggestions, so
I'll offer mine.

My suggestion was to remove this "disclaimer", which serves no
positive purpose and is simply a gratuitous snub to frequent posters.

That suggestion was ignored.

Sadly.

I, too, would like that "disclaimer" removed. The stats are of mild interest to me, but I trust the vast majority who read them to have enough sense interpreting their meaning and value.

James Britt

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On Mon, 23 May 2005, Bill Guindon wrote:

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My suggestion was to remove this "disclaimer", which serves no
positive purpose and is simply a gratuitous snub to frequent posters.

How about removing the stats entirely?

They certainly aren't improving the signal-to-noise ratio for me.
Plus, there's a good segment of the population who don't appreciate
these weekly posts: when I asked how people would feel if I posted
regularly offering help to nubies and pointing them to several good
nuby resources (my tutorial among them), the response was sufficiently
negative. (In summary, the argument against was: "This isn't the
right place for that.")

I hardly think this is more helpful to the Ruby community.

How about moving the stats onto a website somewhere?

Chris

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James Britt wrote:

I, too, would like that "disclaimer" removed. The stats are of mild interest to me, but I trust the vast majority who read them to have enough sense interpreting their meaning and value.

Balwinder,

Hang in there, and remember that "No good deed goes unpunished." Your disclaimer is short, to the point, and easy enough to ignore, even though it is quite relevant. This discussion group's message volume is trending up, while the signal to noise ratio is slowly falling. Some people land at the top of the list and feel somehow insulted at your disclaimer, but maybe they are just a bit chagrined.

I used to read and appreciate almost every message. Now I read less than half of them. I suggest that posters ask themselves if their message is relevant to at least 5% or 10% of the group. That's a pretty low threshold, but it would eliminate at least 10% of the messages in the current mix.

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+1

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On 5/23/05, Chris Pine <glyconis@gmail.com> wrote:

> My suggestion was to remove this "disclaimer", which serves no
> positive purpose and is simply a gratuitous snub to frequent posters.

How about removing the stats entirely?

They certainly aren't improving the signal-to-noise ratio for me.
Plus, there's a good segment of the population who don't appreciate
these weekly posts: when I asked how people would feel if I posted
regularly offering help to nubies and pointing them to several good
nuby resources (my tutorial among them), the response was sufficiently
negative. (In summary, the argument against was: "This isn't the
right place for that.")

I hardly think this is more helpful to the Ruby community.

How about moving the stats onto a website somewhere?

--
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tanner.burson@gmail.com
http://tannerburson.com <---Might even work one day...

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Chris Pine <glyconis@gmail.com> writes:

My suggestion was to remove this "disclaimer", which serves no
positive purpose and is simply a gratuitous snub to frequent posters.

How about removing the stats entirely?

They certainly aren't improving the signal-to-noise ratio for me.
Plus, there's a good segment of the population who don't appreciate
these weekly posts: when I asked how people would feel if I posted
regularly offering help to nubies and pointing them to several good
nuby resources (my tutorial among them), the response was sufficiently
negative. (In summary, the argument against was: "This isn't the
right place for that.")

I hardly think this is more helpful to the Ruby community.

How about moving the stats onto a website somewhere?

+1, I can't hear the weekly discussions about the disclaimer anymore.

···

Chris

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I used to read and appreciate almost every message. Now I read less
than half of them. I suggest that posters ask themselves if their
message is relevant to at least 5% or 10% of the group.

Sorry to contribute to the noise, but I don't understand this.
I have no idea if 5% or 10% of rubyists are having trouble
getting opengl to compile on OS X, for instance. Maybe it's
only 0.1% or less... But I darned well expect to be able to
reply to the guy if I think I have some info that might help
him out ..... ???

As, indeed, I think such a poster should feel free to ask for
help here in the first place, regardless of whether 99.9% of
the group might not find the post relevant to their own
situation...

Have I misunderstood your idea?

Regards,

Bill

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From: "Glenn Parker" <glenn.parker@comcast.net>

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...including devoting a lot of one's time to trying to help people
with Ruby via this list, apparently. Oh well.

Anyway, I'm with Chris on this: it would be better to put the stats
somewhere else. Other than the actual FAQ for this list/group,
I don't think automatic postings are really appropriate.

David

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On Mon, 23 May 2005, Glenn Parker wrote:

James Britt wrote:

I, too, would like that "disclaimer" removed. The stats are of mild interest to me, but I trust the vast majority who read them to have enough sense interpreting their meaning and value.

Balwinder,

Hang in there, and remember that "No good deed goes unpunished."

--
David A. Black
dblack@wobblini.net