RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation

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I finally got the slides online from Rich Kilmer’s FreeRIDE presentation at
RubyConf 2002 (sorry it took me so long). You can find them here:

http://www.rubyide.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RubyConf_Slides

Curt

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I finally got the slides online from Rich Kilmer’s FreeRIDE presentation at
RubyConf 2002 (sorry it took me so long). You can find them here:

rubyide.org

Curt

Thank you.

How soon before we can resume chanting, “source code! source code!”?

James

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Oh, come on. No sound for the last slide? :slight_smile:

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On Thursday, 14 November 2002 at 15:18:32 +0900, Curt Hibbs wrote:

I finally got the slides online from Rich Kilmer’s FreeRIDE presentation at
RubyConf 2002 (sorry it took me so long). You can find them here:

rubyide.org

Curt

–
Jim Freeze

“Given the choice between accomplishing something and just lying
around, I’d rather lie around. No contest.”
– Eric Clapton

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Curt Hibbs wrote:

I finally got the slides online from Rich Kilmer’s FreeRIDE presentation at
RubyConf 2002 (sorry it took me so long). You can find them here:

rubyide.org

Curt

Can anyone give a summary of what was said to go with the second slide:
Why Not Use whats there?

Thanks

Rob

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JamesBritt wrote:

I finally got the slides online from Rich Kilmer’s FreeRIDE
presentation at
RubyConf 2002 (sorry it took me so long). You can find them here:

http://www.rubyide.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RubyConf_Slides

Curt

Thank you.

How soon before we can resume chanting, “source code! source code!”?

We are very, very close (don’t we always say that ;-). I just finished
putting together a final “ToDo List” for the FreeRIDE release. You can see
it here:

http://www.rubyide.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Release_0.5.0_Tasks

Curt

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CVS! CVS!

Its open source! open source!

:wink:

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-----Original Message-----
From: JamesBritt [mailto:james@jamesbritt.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:41 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation

I finally got the slides online from Rich Kilmer’s FreeRIDE
presentation at RubyConf 2002 (sorry it took me so long).
You can find
them here:

http://www.rubyide.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RubyConf_Slides

Curt

Thank you.

How soon before we can resume chanting, “source code! source code!”?

James

7

not legally

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Freeze [mailto:jim@freeze.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:12 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation

On Thursday, 14 November 2002 at 15:18:32 +0900, Curt Hibbs wrote:

I finally got the slides online from Rich Kilmer’s FreeRIDE
presentation at RubyConf 2002 (sorry it took me so long).
You can find
them here:

http://www.rubyide.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RubyConf_Slides

Curt

Oh, come on. No sound for the last slide? :slight_smile:

–
Jim Freeze

“Given the choice between accomplishing something and just
lying around, I’d rather lie around. No contest.”
– Eric Clapton

8

Extensibility IN RUBY was the key thing for us. We wanted the IDE to be
written in/extensible in Ruby itself. The extensions we have in mind
are numerous, and fall far outside what you traditionally see in IDEs.

a) RDE (which is Ruby specific) is written in Pascal. Not plugin based.
b) Eclipse is written in Java and is huge (54MB w/sdk). Imagine telling
folks to download that + Java to develop for this nice lightweight
language. Ouch.
c) Emacs…well if you are an Emacs user there will never be anything
better, but for the rest of humanity…there is FreeRIDE :wink:
d) ActiveState. No current (or stated) support for Ruby until a
business model develops.

-rich

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McGovern [mailto:tarasis@btopenworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:47 PM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation

Curt Hibbs wrote:

I finally got the slides online from Rich Kilmer’s FreeRIDE
presentation at RubyConf 2002 (sorry it took me so long).
You can find
them here:

http://www.rubyide.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RubyConf_Slides

Curt

Can anyone give a summary of what was said to go with the
second slide:
Why Not Use whats there?

Thanks

Rob

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Robert McGovern wrote:

Can anyone give a summary of what was said to go with the second slide:
Why Not Use whats there?

Some (but not all) of the points mentioned were:

  • RDE is a Windows-only IDE
  • Eclipse is a huge download
  • Although ActiveState’s Komodo IDE has some support
    for Ruby syntax in its editor, they haven’t really
    made any firm commitment to more Ruby support at this time.

And as I pointed out during Rich’s presentation, the use of Emacs would
be in direct conflict with one of their other goals: “Does Not Suck”.

Hope this helps,

Lyle

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“Curt Hibbs” curt@hibbs.com wrote in message news:INEGJNJOFAMNDPNEABNEKEEEFDAA.curt@hibbs.com…

JamesBritt wrote:

How soon before we can resume chanting, “source code! source code!”?

We are very, very close (don’t we always say that ;-). I just finished
putting together a final “ToDo List” for the FreeRIDE release. You can see
it here:

rubyide.org

Curt

From the Wiki:

Deployment

  1. Create Linux RPMs
  2. Create Debian packages
  3. Create tarballs
  4. Write installation instructions
  5. Create windows installer

Don’t forget us Mac heads!

  1. Create Mac OS X dmg file,

or better yet,

  1. Create fink package (and submit it to fink).
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c) Emacs…well if you are an Emacs user there will never be anything
better, but for the rest of humanity…there is FreeRIDE :wink:

I was going to mention vi, but then decided against it.

James

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And as I pointed out during Rich’s presentation, the use of Emacs would
be in direct conflict with one of their other goals: “Does Not Suck”.

Yow! The gloves are off!

I have no choice but to compare you to the Nazis, thereby invoking Goodwin’s
Law, and heading off a long and bloody flame war.

James, User of Vim

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Hope this helps,

Lyle

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Firstly, thank you to both Lyle & Rich for replying.

Rich Kilmer wrote:

Extensibility IN RUBY was the key thing for us. We wanted the IDE to be
written in/extensible in Ruby itself. The extensions we have in mind
are numerous, and fall far outside what you traditionally see in IDEs.

Hmm, I’ll be interested to see / hear what they are about. Have to have
a poke around your site.

One feature I heard about in Intellij that sounds quite “neat” is that
it grays out unused variables & import statments.

b) Eclipse is written in Java and is huge (54MB w/sdk). Imagine telling
folks to download that + Java to develop for this nice lightweight
language. Ouch.

Mm, it is a touch heavy weight. It is currently though my ide of choice
at home simply because it does cover the 3 languages I dabble with
C/C++, Java & Ruby. At work its Vi & Source Navigator :slight_smile:

c) Emacs…well if you are an Emacs user there will never be anything
better, but for the rest of humanity…there is FreeRIDE :wink:

Agreed.

Well I look forward to trying FreeRide when you kick it out the door :slight_smile:

Good luck & God Speed

Rob

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Damon wrote:

“Curt Hibbs” curt@hibbs.com wrote in message
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JamesBritt wrote:

How soon before we can resume chanting, “source code! source code!”?

We are very, very close (don’t we always say that ;-). I just finished
putting together a final “ToDo List” for the FreeRIDE release.
You can see
it here:

http://www.rubyide.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Release_0.5.0_Tasks

Curt

From the Wiki:

Deployment

  1. Create Linux RPMs
  2. Create Debian packages
  3. Create tarballs
  4. Write installation instructions
  5. Create windows installer

Don’t forget us Mac heads!

  1. Create Mac OS X dmg file,

or better yet,

  1. Create fink package (and submit it to fink).

We haven’t forgotten. Unfortunately, FOX does not current support the Mac,
so we won’t be able to have a Mac version for this release.

I believe that Mac support for FOX is “in the works”, but we are also going
to take a dual GUI rendering approach and be able to use either FOX or
wxWindows (which does have Mac support). I am personally working on the Ruby
bindins to wxWindows precisely for this purpose.

Sorry to make you wait :frowning:

Curt

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We are using Fox and right now it only runs on Linux and Win32…

I have an OS X machine myself, but cannot use FreeRIDE on it…yet :frowning:

Now, if you have Fink and Fox and FXRuby installed…then it should
work.

-rich

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-----Original Message-----
From: Damon [mailto:adamon@mailandnews.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:01 PM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation

From the Wiki:

Deployment

  1. Create Linux RPMs
  2. Create Debian packages
  3. Create tarballs
  4. Write installation instructions
  5. Create windows installer

Don’t forget us Mac heads!

  1. Create Mac OS X dmg file,

or better yet,

  1. Create fink package (and submit it to fink).
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Damon wrote:

Don’t forget us Mac heads!

  1. Create Mac OS X dmg file,

or better yet,

  1. Create fink package (and submit it to fink).

You forgot:

 5.5. Get FXRuby working on Mac OS X.

Lyle

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What? No FreeBSD port?

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Damon (adamon@mailandnews.com) wrote:

From the Wiki:

Deployment

  1. Create Linux RPMs
  2. Create Debian packages
  3. Create tarballs
  4. Write installation instructions
  5. Create windows installer

Don’t forget us Mac heads!

  1. Create Mac OS X dmg file,

or better yet,

  1. Create fink package (and submit it to fink).

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JamesBritt wrote:

And as I pointed out during Rich’s presentation, the use of Emacs would
be in direct conflict with one of their other goals: “Does Not Suck”.

Yow! The gloves are off!

I have no choice but to compare you to the Nazis, thereby invoking Goodwin’s
Law, and heading off a long and bloody flame war.

James, User of Vim

laughs & puts on a liverpuddlyin accent calm down mate, calm down …

There’s room for all types around here :slight_smile:

Rob, part time user of vim, jedit, source navigator, eclipse, ultraedit

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Scripsit ille JamesBritt james@jamesbritt.com:

c) Emacs…well if you are an Emacs user there will never be anything
better, but for the rest of humanity…there is FreeRIDE :wink:

I was going to mention vi, but then decided against it.

Forget vi, you cannot even select text using it (you have to press
at the start and the beginning of a block to get the line numbers which
you have to type in for the command). Also, vi doesn’t have ZQ for “quit
and don’t save”, as well as no syntax-highlighting.

Therefore I use vim and not vi.

SCNR

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One feature I heard about in Intellij that sounds quite “neat” is that
it grays out unused variables & import statments.

Oooooooh, there’s a LOT more than that: all sorts of completion, method lists,
code templates, type error alerts, refactoring, JUnit/Ant/CVS integration…

It is one of the most impressive pieces of software I have ever seen. However,
I have to say that Ruby doesn’t need half the features IntelliJ provides
because it is so lightweight (yet durable). Basically, Java requires an
intelligent IDE to make it usable. Ruby has most of this usability out of the
box.

I’m sure we’ll see some very clever features plugged in to FreeRIDE, though.
Even more if the interpreter can be made to generate useful information to
reveal program structure, etc.

Gavin

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