Hi!
Shall I expect an msvc ruby installer for ruby 1.8.1?
thx
Gergo
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Hi all!
Yes, I am planning on getting that out shortly. Our new books were
slashdotted a week or so ago, and things have been very busy around the
old Pragmatic offices!
I’ll try to get the next release out sometime over the next week or so.
thanks.
/\ndy
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 12:37, KONTRA Gergely wrote:
Hi!
Shall I expect an msvc ruby installer for ruby 1.8.1?
Author of “The Pragmatic Programmer” * “Programming Ruby” * The Agile Manifesto
NEW!!!-> “Pragmatic Version Control” * “Pragmatic Unit Testing”
Columnist for IEEE Software Magazine * Board of Directors, Agile Alliance
KONTRA Gergely wrote:
Hi!
Shall I expect an msvc ruby installer for ruby 1.8.1?
thx
Gergo
Any news on when this will be out?
Cheers,
Alan.
Andrew Hunt wrote:
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 12:37, KONTRA Gergely wrote:
Hi!
Shall I expect an msvc ruby installer for ruby 1.8.1?
Hi all!
Yes, I am planning on getting that out shortly. Our new books were
slashdotted a week or so ago, and things have been very busy around the
old Pragmatic offices!I’ll try to get the next release out sometime over the next week or so.
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but is there a way of
offloading some of the effort to the community? What is required to
build the installer? Certainly, the msvc project files for ruby itself
and for the extensions, and the nullsoft (IIRC) installer script. Could
these be maintained as a {ruby,source}forge project?
Andrew Hunt wrote:
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 12:37, KONTRA Gergely wrote:
Hi!
Shall I expect an msvc ruby installer for ruby 1.8.1?
Hi all!
Yes, I am planning on getting that out shortly. Our new books were
slashdotted a week or so ago, and things have been very busy around the
old Pragmatic offices!I’ll try to get the next release out sometime over the next week or so.
thanks.
/\ndy
Is there any plan to update the pickaxe book in the future? The 1.6.1
version is a bit out of date now (but still very handy!)
Thanks,
Alan.
Alan Davies wrote:
KONTRA Gergely wrote:
Hi!
Shall I expect an msvc ruby installer for ruby 1.8.1?
thx
GergoAny news on when this will be out?
probably most people here know about:
http://www.dm4lab.to/~usa/ruby/index_en.html#download
it’s not an installer, but it’s ruby 1.8.1-mswin32
it’s good enough for me, at least :O)
emmanuel
That is my intent, but that also takes time to set up. I’ll try to
lay the ground work after this next release such that someone other than
me can push the button for future releases 
I’ve had a few volunteers in the past (and I kept your names, guys!
I’ll be coming after you!) If anyone else is interested in helping out
and contributing, please drop me an e-mail.
thanks!
/\ndy
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 15:21, Joel VanderWerf wrote:
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but is there a way of
offloading some of the effort to the community?
Author of “The Pragmatic Programmer” * “Programming Ruby” * The Agile Manifesto
NEW!!!-> “Pragmatic Version Control” * “Pragmatic Unit Testing”
Columnist for IEEE Software Magazine * Board of Directors, Agile Alliance
Is there any plan to update the pickaxe book in the future? The 1.6.1
version is a bit out of date now (but still very handy!)
The computer book industry has had three years of declining revenue now.
Perhaps the improving economy in 2004 will help, but it seems that most
of the publishers are still being very conservative about new projects.
Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn’t exactly fly off the
shelves (that’s my understanding anyway) you can imagine that AW would
be reluctant.
Perhaps a letter writing campaign to Addison-Wesley is in order?
Phil
Emmanuel Touzery wrote:
Any news on when this will be out?
probably most people here know about:
http://www.dm4lab.to/~usa/ruby/index_en.html#downloadit’s not an installer, but it’s ruby 1.8.1-mswin32
it’s good enough for me, at least :O)
(and thank you VERY MUCH to the author if he’s reading this)
emmanuel
I doubt the few hundred letters they might receive would make much
difference. They are surely capable of measuring the market. Ruby
advocacy in a general sense (e.g. killer apps/websites) would help
their measurements to be more positive, and would cause any letters
they do receive to be more “interesting”.
Cheers,
Gavin
P.S. The declining revenue is not surprising, or a bad thing,
considering the amount of dross out there. Positive spin: after the
shake-out, people are more likely to spend their money on good
books. Maybe.
P.P.S. The momentum in the mailing list (new users) and the maturity
of 1.8 are genuinely positive indicators that must eventually have an
effect in the market.
On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, 10:31:37 AM, Phil wrote:
Is there any plan to update the pickaxe book in the future? The 1.6.1
version is a bit out of date now (but still very handy!)
The computer book industry has had three years of declining revenue now.
Perhaps the improving economy in 2004 will help, but it seems that most
of the publishers are still being very conservative about new projects.
Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn’t exactly fly off the
shelves (that’s my understanding anyway) you can imagine that AW would
be reluctant.
Perhaps a letter writing campaign to Addison-Wesley is in order?
Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn’t exactly fly off the
shelves (that’s my understanding anyway) you can imagine that AW would
Maybe if you don’t make the new version available online, then more
people will buy it? I for one can hold my hand up in shame and say that
I haven’t bought the existing one, because the ruby installer comes with
an electronic version of it.
Alan.
In article 14677345266.20040113211852@soyabean.com.au,
Is there any plan to update the pickaxe book in the future? The 1.6.1
version is a bit out of date now (but still very handy!)The computer book industry has had three years of declining revenue now.
Perhaps the improving economy in 2004 will help, but it seems that most
of the publishers are still being very conservative about new projects.
Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn’t exactly fly off the
shelves (that’s my understanding anyway) you can imagine that AW would
be reluctant.Perhaps a letter writing campaign to Addison-Wesley is in order?
I doubt the few hundred letters they might receive would make much
difference.
Quite true. The letters would probably have to contain checks in for
advance payment for the 2nd edition pickaxe before they would take notice.
And they would want to see a bunch of them.
They are surely capable of measuring the market. Ruby
advocacy in a general sense (e.g. killer apps/websites) would help
their measurements to be more positive, and would cause any letters
they do receive to be more “interesting”.
P.S. The declining revenue is not surprising, or a bad thing,
considering the amount of dross out there. Positive spin: after the
shake-out, people are more likely to spend their money on good
books. Maybe.
We can only hope.
P.P.S. The momentum in the mailing list (new users) and the maturity
of 1.8 are genuinely positive indicators that must eventually have an
effect in the market.
we do seem to be seeing another wave of new names on the list these days.
That’s a good thing.
Phil
Gavin Sinclair gsinclair@soyabean.com.au wrote:
On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, 10:31:37 AM, Phil wrote:
OTOH…
I bought it thanks to the web version; had it not existed I’d probably
have ended up using Python 
I don’t know if the the decision to
distribute the Pickaxe for free made sense economically (probably not),
but it certainly has done a lot for the expansion of Ruby, so we cannot
but thank the authors.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:41:38PM +0900, Alan Davies wrote:
Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn’t exactly fly off the
shelves (that’s my understanding anyway) you can imagine that AW wouldMaybe if you don’t make the new version available online, then more
people will buy it? I for one can hold my hand up in shame and say that
I haven’t bought the existing one, because the ruby installer comes with
an electronic version of it.
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ditto. i bought two copies and gave them away - to spread the word. both
copies have moved on to co-workers, and the generated interest lead me to
teach a little ruby 101 class to more of them. i have never done that with
any other books/languages and the graciousness of the pickaxe authors no doubt
contributed to that reaction in me.
i guess kindness is contagious.
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Mauricio Fernández wrote:
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:41:19 +0900
From: Mauricio Fernández batsman.geo@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
Subject: Re: ruby 1.8.1 windows installerOn Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:41:38PM +0900, Alan Davies wrote:
Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn’t exactly fly off the
shelves (that’s my understanding anyway) you can imagine that AW wouldMaybe if you don’t make the new version available online, then more
people will buy it? I for one can hold my hand up in shame and say that
I haven’t bought the existing one, because the ruby installer comes with
an electronic version of it.OTOH…
I bought it thanks to the web version; had it not existed I’d probably
have ended up using Python
distribute the Pickaxe for free made sense economically (probably not),
but it certainly has done a lot for the expansion of Ruby, so we cannot
but thank the authors.
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Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn’t exactly fly off the
shelves (that’s my understanding anyway) you can imagine that AW wouldMaybe if you don’t make the new version available online, then more
people will buy it? I for one can hold my hand up in shame and say that
I haven’t bought the existing one, because the ruby installer comes with
an electronic version of it.OTOH…
I bought it thanks to the web version; had it not existed I’d probably
have ended up using Python
distribute the Pickaxe for free made sense economically (probably not),
but it certainly has done a lot for the expansion of Ruby, so we cannot
but thank the authors.
I was just as guilty of using the online ver, but I ran across the
pickaxe book sitting in a local book store and since it had been so
indespensable I couldn’t but buy it.
If you’ve found it so usefull support the authors! Especially if you
want a version for 1.8, if we all just send them cheques for it before
its printed can they but create it?
Regards,
Hez
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:41:38PM +0900, Alan Davies wrote:
On the economic question, I’d say it can be argued pretty well either
way. You wouldn’t have bought the book without seeing it online, and
I’m sure that goes for many others.
Bruck Eckel thinks giving his book(s) away online helps generate more
sales. There will always be little factors that can swing it each
way.
Cheers,
Gavin
On Thursday, January 15, 2004, 2:41:19 AM, Mauricio wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:41:38PM +0900, Alan Davies wrote:
Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn’t exactly fly off the
shelves (that’s my understanding anyway) you can imagine that AW wouldMaybe if you don’t make the new version available online, then more
people will buy it? I for one can hold my hand up in shame and say that
I haven’t bought the existing one, because the ruby installer comes with
an electronic version of it.
OTOH…
I bought it thanks to the web version; had it not existed I’d probably
have ended up using Python
distribute the Pickaxe for free made sense economically (probably not),
but it certainly has done a lot for the expansion of Ruby, so we cannot
but thank the authors.
There is a PickAxe book out? I’ll buy it =) I love real book reading rather
then online book reading.
Zach
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Subject: Re: ruby 1.8.1 windows installer
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Mauricio Fernández wrote:
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:41:19 +0900
From: Mauricio Fernández batsman.geo@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
Subject: Re: ruby 1.8.1 windows installerOn Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:41:38PM +0900, Alan Davies wrote:
Since the first edition of the Pickaxe book didn’t exactly fly off the
shelves (that’s my understanding anyway) you can imagine that AW wouldMaybe if you don’t make the new version available online, then more
people will buy it? I for one can hold my hand up in shame and say that
I haven’t bought the existing one, because the ruby installer comes with
an electronic version of it.OTOH…
I bought it thanks to the web version; had it not existed I’d probably
have ended up using Python
distribute the Pickaxe for free made sense economically (probably not),
but it certainly has done a lot for the expansion of Ruby, so we cannot
but thank the authors.
ditto. i bought two copies and gave them away - to spread the word. both
copies have moved on to co-workers, and the generated interest lead me to
teach a little ruby 101 class to more of them. i have never done that with
any other books/languages and the graciousness of the pickaxe authors no
doubt
contributed to that reaction in me.
i guess kindness is contagious.
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If you’ve found it so usefull support the authors!
Here, here!! :))
Especially if you want a version for 1.8, if we all just send them
cheques for it before its printed can they but create it?
I’ve got the class and module library section all updated, but I’m
struggling knowing what to do with the standard library. In 1.8 it’s
now enormous, and documenting it all at the same level of detail as the
1.6 book does would be a gigantic task. Would people be upset if any
new version of the book had a more synoptic overview of the library
(things like yaml, opensll, etc)
Cheers
Dave
On Jan 14, 2004, at 12:27, Hez R wrote:
I think that’s a sensible approach for you. The 1.6 standard library
contained “things you expect a scripting language to have” (network,
CGI, date manipulation, file manipulation, some maths, some ADTs,
etc.), and it made sense to document them rigorously.
In 1.8, however, several formerly-third-party libraries (rexml,
testunit, yaml, soap4r, etc.) have been included simply for ease of
distribution. Everyone welcomes them, but IMO they do not form such a
core part of Ruby as, say “singleton”. Being more like third-party
libraries, the onus still falls on the author (and helpers) to
document them.
As an author on the language, you should certainly make users aware of
the batteries that are included, but you shouldn’t need to “do it
all”.
Cheers,
Gavin
On Thursday, January 15, 2004, 5:59:40 AM, Dave wrote:
Especially if you want a version for 1.8, if we all just send them
cheques for it before its printed can they but create it?
I’ve got the class and module library section all updated, but I’m
struggling knowing what to do with the standard library. In 1.8 it’s
now enormous, and documenting it all at the same level of detail as the
1.6 book does would be a gigantic task. Would people be upset if any
new version of the book had a more synoptic overview of the library
(things like yaml, opensll, etc)
Especially if you want a version for 1.8, if we all just send them
cheques for it before its printed can they but create it?I’ve got the class and module library section all updated, but I’m
struggling knowing what to do with the standard library. In 1.8 it’s
now enormous, and documenting it all at the same level of detail as the
1.6 book does would be a gigantic task. Would people be upset if any
new version of the book had a more synoptic overview of the library
(things like yaml, opensll, etc)
I almost never reference the library section of the Pickaxe book. It was
nice when I was first learning Ruby because I could flip through it to
get an idea of what was included. Now that I know the language, I almost
exclusively use ri for library stuff. After that, I check the ruby-talk
archives or just plain google.
It’d probably be good to update the current library reference with
changes from 1.8. Then at the end you could mention the new libraries
and briefly what they do.
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