Hello all - I was just wondering if Rite is still in development and if it’s
made any progress. The last time I see it mentioned on the list was Aug, 8
2002. Is it still a goal to have a bytecode VM, or has direction shifted to
something else?
Thanks,
Travis
Hi,
In message “Rite Status?” on 03/02/20, Travis Whitton whitton@atlantic.net writes:
Hello all - I was just wondering if Rite is still in development and if it’s
made any progress. The last time I see it mentioned on the list was Aug, 8
2002. Is it still a goal to have a bytecode VM, or has direction shifted to
something else?
Well, it is still a goal, but nothing interesting have happened.
Maybe it won’t happen until 1.8 stable come out (or somebody else
takes over 1.6/1.8 maintenance).
matz.
According to your presentation “Be minor, be cool” of
Rubyconf.new(2002) (Nov 2002) you had decided by that time the GC
algorithm and the VM design; that is interesting, isn’t it? 
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/rc2002-minor/mgp00026.html
Everybody seems to be moving slowly, though: we haven’t had news from
Parrot or Cardinal for some time now. (Dan Sugalski might have something
to say about the status of the former
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 01:20:35AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hello all - I was just wondering if Rite is still in development and if it’s
made any progress. The last time I see it mentioned on the list was Aug, 8
2002. Is it still a goal to have a bytecode VM, or has direction shifted to
something else?Well, it is still a goal, but nothing interesting have happened.
Maybe it won’t happen until 1.8 stable come out (or somebody else
takes over 1.6/1.8 maintenance).
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batsman dot geo at yahoo dot com
Hi,
Well, it is still a goal, but nothing interesting have happened.
According to your presentation “Be minor, be cool” of
Rubyconf.new(2002) (Nov 2002) you had decided by that time the GC
algorithm and the VM design; that is interesting, isn’t it?
Depends on your view. They are just vague ideas, no running code.
Everybody seems to be moving slowly, though: we haven’t had news from
Parrot or Cardinal for some time now. (Dan Sugalski might have something
to say about the status of the former
We have our new rival, pypy project.
matz.
In message “Re: Rite Status?” on 03/02/20, Mauricio Fernández batsman.geo@yahoo.com writes:
In article 1045675655.357054.17876.nullmailer@picachu.netlab.jp,
Yukihiro Matsumoto matz@ruby-lang.org wrote:
Hi,
In message “Re: Rite Status?” > on 03/02/20, Mauricio Fernández batsman.geo@yahoo.com writes:
Well, it is still a goal, but nothing interesting have happened.
According to your presentation “Be minor, be cool” of
Rubyconf.new(2002) (Nov 2002) you had decided by that time the GC
algorithm and the VM design; that is interesting, isn’t it?Depends on your view. They are just vague ideas, no running code.
Everybody seems to be moving slowly, though: we haven’t had news from
Parrot or Cardinal for some time now. (Dan Sugalski might have something
to say about the status of the formerWe have our new rival, pypy project.
matz.
What is the pypy project?
Phil
It is even more vaporware than Rite, just 9 days old
The idea is interesting and seductive; I had been thinking of doing the
same in Ruby since I first saw it in Squeak but I do unfortunately lack
the skills and experience required 
Below is what I found about pypy. It could be fast as they got the guy
who created Psyco to work “on their side”… Now, if only he knew the
power of the Ruby way 
Minimal Python project
holger krekel pyth@trillke.net
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On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 02:27:39AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
In message “Re: Rite Status?” > on 03/02/20, Mauricio Fernández batsman.geo@yahoo.com writes:
Well, it is still a goal, but nothing interesting have happened.
According to your presentation “Be minor, be cool” of
Rubyconf.new(2002) (Nov 2002) you had decided by that time the GC
algorithm and the VM design; that is interesting, isn’t it?Depends on your view. They are just vague ideas, no running code.
Everybody seems to be moving slowly, though: we haven’t had news from
Parrot or Cardinal for some time now. (Dan Sugalski might have something
to say about the status of the formerWe have our new rival, pypy project.
We announce a mailinglist dedicated to developing
a “Minimal Python” version. Minimal means that
we want to have a very small C-core and as much
as possible (re)implemented in python itself. This
includes (parts of) the VM-Code.
Building on the expected gains in flexibility
we also hope to use distribution techniques such
as PEP302 to ship only a minimal set of modules
and load needed modules on demand.
As Armin Rigo of PSYCO fame takes part in the effort,
we are confident that MinimalPython will eventually
run faster than today’s CPython.
And because Christian Tismer takes part, we are
confident that we will find a radical enough
approach which also fits Stackless
We are very interested in learning about and
integrating prior art. And in hearing any
doubtful or reinforcing opinions. Expertise
is welcomed in all areas.
So if you have an interest or even code regarding
‘minimal python’ please join the list:
http://codespeak.net/mailman/listinfo/pypy-dev
discussions previously took place on python-de and
in private mails. We will repost some core
ideas (in english) for further discussion.
In a few months we’d like to do a one-week
Sprint in Germany focusing on releasing first
bits of Minimal Python.
best wishes,
Armin Rigo,
Christian Tismer,
Holger Krekel
I’ll be following pypy to see if we can get ideas from there
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batsman dot geo at yahoo dot com
Never make any mistaeks.
– Anonymous, in a mail discussion about to a kernel bug report
Forgot to say that people besides me had already thought of this.
sRuby - A Ruby dialect for low-level programming
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 02:27:39AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
In message “Re: Rite Status?” > on 03/02/20, Mauricio Fernández batsman.geo@yahoo.com writes:
Well, it is still a goal, but nothing interesting have happened.
According to your presentation “Be minor, be cool” of
Rubyconf.new(2002) (Nov 2002) you had decided by that time the GC
algorithm and the VM design; that is interesting, isn’t it?Depends on your view. They are just vague ideas, no running code.
Everybody seems to be moving slowly, though: we haven’t had news from
Parrot or Cardinal for some time now. (Dan Sugalski might have something
to say about the status of the formerWe have our new rival, pypy project.
–
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'_ \ /| __/ __| '__ \ / ` | ’ \
) | (| | |__ \ | | | | | (| | | | |
.__/ _,|_|/| || ||_,|| |_|
Running Debian GNU/Linux Sid (unstable)
batsman dot geo at yahoo dot com
“You, sir, are nothing but a pathetically lame salesdroid!
I fart in your general direction!”
– Randseed on #Linux
I want to know how it is pronounced!
On Thursday, 20 February 2003 at 6:32:55 +0900, Phil Tomson wrote:
In article 1045675655.357054.17876.nullmailer@picachu.netlab.jp,
What is the pypy project?
Phil
To the best of my recollection, Senator, I can’t recall.
Robert feldt is still working on it?
il Thu, 20 Feb 2003 07:43:42 +0900, Mauricio Fernández batsman.geo@yahoo.com ha scritto::
sRuby - A Ruby dialect for low-level programming
Data- och informationsteknik
Spoke too soon.
They’re doing a coding sprint that started 3 days ago somewhere in
Germany. They have quite an active mailing list (1), with nearly 480
messages in 45 days. They are close to having a logo, and the very
first code is starting to appear in their Subversion repository (2). The
momentum they built in so little time is impressive; I guess it’s an
advantage of not being minimal 
More info in their site (3).
(1) http://codespeak.net/pipermail/pypy-dev/2003q1/thread.html#454
(2) http://codespeak.net:8080/svn/pypy/trunk/
(3) http://codespeak.net/pypy/
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 07:37:44AM +0900, Mauricio Fernández wrote:
We have our new rival, pypy project.
It is even more vaporware than Rite, just 9 days old
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) | (| | |__ \ | | | | | (| | | | |
.__/ _,|_|/| || ||_,|| |_|
Running Debian GNU/Linux Sid (unstable)
batsman dot geo at yahoo dot com
Not only Guinness - Linux is good for you, too.
– Banzai on IRC
In article 1045675655.357054.17876.nullmailer@picachu.netlab.jp,
What is the pypy project?
Phil
I want to know how it is pronounced!
It sure sounds sinister and evil.
I personally pronounce ‘pypy project’ as in
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On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 06:51:55AM +0900, Jim Freeze wrote:
On Thursday, 20 February 2003 at 6:32:55 +0900, Phil Tomson wrote:
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Running Debian GNU/Linux Sid (unstable)
batsman dot geo at yahoo dot com
Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night
hacking (and/or conversations with God).
– Matt Welsh
Not really. I would like to but have little time and not many
others volounteered so the project never “took off”. If pypy makes real
progress it might be simpler to “copy” some of their ideas and look at
their code.
Regards,
Robert
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, gabriele renzi wrote:
il Thu, 20 Feb 2003 07:43:42 +0900, Mauricio Fernández > batsman.geo@yahoo.com ha scritto::
sRuby - A Ruby dialect for low-level programming
Data- och informationsteknikRobert feldt is still working on it?
Mauricio Fernández batsman.geo@yahoo.com writes:
The momentum they built in so little time is impressive; I guess it’s an
advantage of not being minimal
I think the problem is that writing a brand-new, generic virtual machine
once-and-for-all is such a brilliant idea that everyone wants to do it.
–
I think the real problem here is that he is a university CS
professor and therefore knows very little about programming in the real
world, in any languge.
You mean as in:
p eye - p eye
or, how about
popeye, as in the Sailor?
On Thursday, 20 February 2003 at 7:42:04 +0900, Mauricio Fernández wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 06:51:55AM +0900, Jim Freeze wrote:
On Thursday, 20 February 2003 at 6:32:55 +0900, Phil Tomson wrote:
I want to know how it is pronounced!It sure sounds sinister and evil.
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Sanity is the trademark of a weak mind.
– Mark Harrold
You mean as in:
p eye - p eye
or, how about
popeye, as in the Sailor?
If you have the ‘y’ sound from Ruby in mind… it comes out as peepee… or maybe it’s just me
That thought crossed my mind, but I didn’t want to be the first
to peepee on python.
On Thursday, 20 February 2003 at 9:09:38 +0900, Jason Persampieri wrote:
You mean as in:
p eye - p eye
or, how about
popeye, as in the Sailor?
If you have the ‘y’ sound from Ruby in mind… it comes out as peepee… or maybe it’s just me
Genetics explains why you look like your father, and if you don’t, why
you should.