The list of ruby success stories page in ruby-lang.org is really lame.
compared to python success stories link this looks very weak.
i think this should be removed till the list looks a bit more impressive
Hi --
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On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Rahul wrote:
The list of ruby success stories page in ruby-lang.org is really lame.
compared to python success stories link this looks very weak.
i think this should be removed till the list looks a bit more impressive
It's supposed to be informative, not impressive. Perhaps people can
report their success stories and the page can be updated.
David
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A. RUBY FOR RAILS by David A. Black (http://www.manning.com/black\)
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Q. Where can I get Ruby/Rails on-site training, consulting, coaching?
A. Ruby Power and Light, LLC (http://www.rubypal.com)
just to give mine 
Most of us, if I interpret the posts correctly, do not see Ruby competing
with other languages.
-Ofun
Cheers
Robert
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On 1/5/07, Rahul <vrahul@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it looks good. This is not to say that I do not respect your POV,
--
"The real romance is out ahead and yet to come. The computer revolution
hasn't started yet. Don't be misled by the enormous flow of money into bad
defacto standards for unsophisticated buyers using poor adaptations of
incomplete ideas."
- Alan Kay
What would make it more impressive? I think this is a very subjective
topic, and I think comparisons between other languages are an
insufficient metric for determining whether the resource is helpful or
not.
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On 1/5/07, Rahul <vrahul@gmail.com> wrote:
The list of ruby success stories page in ruby-lang.org is really lame.
compared to python success stories link this looks very weak.
i think this should be removed till the list looks a bit more impressive
I create a small method
def counting(p1,p2)
p1 = p1 + 1
p2 = p2 + 2
return p1,p2
end
sum-by-1s=0
sum-by-2s=0
while line = gets
# need driver test the method
line=line.chop
sum-by-1s, sum-by-2s = counting(sum-by-1s,sum-by-2s)
end
The method works. I am using PickAxe as my reference.
I don't recall see any thing stating you could assign values in an array
to variables by separating the variables by commas on the leftside of
the
assignment statement. I just want to know which book or reference
should I use to
understand why assignments can be made in this way?
Or am I just seeing a side effect of my poor coding skills?
Thank you,
Raymond
Is there something wrong with people succeeding with Ruby, even in the smallest way? It may seem so, but not all of us are in an epic battle with the Python community. Just because NASA uses some Python code, doesn't mean we are less superior in our own ways either. In fact, "NASA uses Python!" seems more like a marketing thing, not a motivation factor that inspires people with fun and successful programming.
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On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:40 AM, Rahul wrote:
The list of ruby success stories page in ruby-lang.org is really lame.
compared to python success stories link this looks very weak.
i think this should be removed till the list looks a bit more impressive
Notable stories that should be added that I'm aware of:
- Amazon's UnSpun
- Ara Howard at the NOAA uses Ruby a lot
I don't think we need to dilute the page the way Python has done;
there are a lot of companies and people in there I've never heard of,
so their story means very little to me unless it's a tale of harrowing
programming adventure (which most of them aren't).
I think the page we have now is significant, but maybe needs to look
less like a list and more like a narrative outlining some of the
success stories. When I pop open both the Python and Ruby success
stories pages, all I see are links. I've looked at the Ruby one
before, but glossed over it because there was nothing compelling about
it. Maybe the content should stay but be presented in a more
interesting way?
--Jeremy
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On 1/5/07, dblack@wobblini.net <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:
Hi --
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Rahul wrote:
>
> The list of ruby success stories page in ruby-lang.org is really lame.
>
> compared to python success stories link this looks very weak.
>
> i think this should be removed till the list looks a bit more impressiveIt's supposed to be informative, not impressive. Perhaps people can
report their success stories and the page can be updated.David
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Q. What is THE Ruby book for Rails developers?
A. RUBY FOR RAILS by David A. Black (http://www.manning.com/black\)
(See what readers are saying! http://www.rubypal.com/r4rrevs.pdf\)
Q. Where can I get Ruby/Rails on-site training, consulting, coaching?
A. Ruby Power and Light, LLC (http://www.rubypal.com)
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My blogs:
The method works. I am using PickAxe as my reference.
I don't recall see any thing stating you could assign values in an array
to variables by separating the variables by commas on the leftside of
the
assignment statement. I just want to know which book or reference
should I use to
understand why assignments can be made in this way?
Or am I just seeing a side effect of my poor coding skills?
I guess you are seeing the effect of not reading the book carefully enough.
PickAxe, 2nd edition (paper version):
Page 91 'Assignment'
Page 92 'Parallel Assignment'
Page 338 'More on Assignment'
Page 340 'Parallel Assignment'
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I create a small method
def counting(p1,p2)
p1 = p1 + 1
p2 = p2 + 2
return p1,p2
end
A bit offtopic: you can shorten this to:
def counting(p1,p2)
p1 += 1 # x += y is the same as x = x + y
p2 += 2
return p1,p2
end
or
or even
def counting(p1,p2)
return p1 + 1, p2 + 2
end
sum-by-1s=0
sum-by-2s=0
while line = gets
# need driver test the method
line=line.chop
sum-by-1s, sum-by-2s = counting(sum-by-1s,sum-by-2s)
end
I don't think sum-by-1s is a good variable name. You can't use - in a
name. It's reserved for minus. Names are made of A..Z, a..z, 0..9, @
and _.
The method works. I am using PickAxe as my reference.
I don't recall see any thing stating you could assign values in an array
to variables by separating the variables by commas on the leftside of
the
assignment statement. I just want to know which book or reference
should I use to
understand why assignments can be made in this way?
Or am I just seeing a side effect of my poor coding skills?
This is normal. See the link below. It's used in block parameters as well
i.e.: you can do [[1,2],[3,4]].each {|a| ... } or [[1,2],[3,4]].each
{|a,b| ... }
in the former case you'll get [1,2] and [3,4] for a, in the latter
a=1,3 and b=2,4.
http://ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/html/tut_expressions.html#UC
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On 1/5/07, Jacob, Raymond A Jr <raymond.jacob@navy.mil> wrote:
Please don't hijack threads. Start a new one instead of replying to something completely unrelated.
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On Jan 5, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Jacob, Raymond A Jr wrote:
I create a small method [...]
Interview those people, write up little blurbs for them, and I will add them.
James Edward Gray II
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On Jan 5, 2007, at 3:10 PM, Jeremy McAnally wrote:
Notable stories that should be added that I'm aware of:
- Amazon's UnSpun
- Ara Howard at the NOAA uses Ruby a lot
Google Sketchup is scriptable via Ruby, though I don't know if it's a Ruby app per se. It's certainly the highest-profile app based on Ruby that I've encountered.
Tom
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On Jan 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jeremy McAnally wrote:
Notable stories that should be added that I'm aware of:
- Amazon's UnSpun
- Ara Howard at the NOAA uses Ruby a lot
Jeremy McAnally wrote:
...
I think the page we have now is significant, but maybe needs to look
less like a list and more like a narrative outlining some of the
success stories. When I pop open both the Python and Ruby success
stories pages, all I see are links. I've looked at the Ruby one
before, but glossed over it because there was nothing compelling about
it. Maybe the content should stay but be presented in a more
interesting way?
What is the purpose of having these at all?
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--
James Britt
"Judge a man by his questions, rather than his answers."
- Voltaire
Thank you,
raymond
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Svitok [mailto:jan.svitok@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 17:13
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: Where would I look to understand why ... works
On 1/5/07, Jacob, Raymond A Jr <raymond.jacob@navy.mil> wrote:
I create a small method
def counting(p1,p2)
p1 = p1 + 1
p2 = p2 + 2
return p1,p2
end
A bit offtopic: you can shorten this to:
def counting(p1,p2)
p1 += 1 # x += y is the same as x = x + y
p2 += 2
return p1,p2
end
or
or even
def counting(p1,p2)
return p1 + 1, p2 + 2
end
sum-by-1s=0
sum-by-2s=0
while line = gets
# need driver test the method
line=line.chop
sum-by-1s, sum-by-2s = counting(sum-by-1s,sum-by-2s) end
I don't think sum-by-1s is a good variable name. You can't use - in a
name. It's reserved for minus. Names are made of A..Z, a..z, 0..9, @ and
_.
The method works. I am using PickAxe as my reference.
I don't recall see any thing stating you could assign values in an
array to variables by separating the variables by commas on the
leftside of the assignment statement. I just want to know which book
or reference should I use to understand why assignments can be made
in this way?
Or am I just seeing a side effect of my poor coding skills?
This is normal. See the link below. It's used in block parameters as
well
i.e.: you can do [[1,2],[3,4]].each {|a| ... } or [[1,2],[3,4]].each
{|a,b| ... } in the former case you'll get [1,2] and [3,4] for a, in the
latter
a=1,3 and b=2,4.
http://ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/html/tut_expressions.html#UC
[Jan Svitok <jan.svitok@gmail.com>, 2007-01-05 23.12 CET]
[...]
I don't think sum-by-1s is a good variable name. You can't use - in a
name. It's reserved for minus. Names are made of A..Z, a..z, 0..9, @
and _.
...unless you set $KCODE. Then ¿almost? everything above \177 is allowed.
$ ruby -Ku -e 'sum‐by‐1s, sum by 2s = 1,2; p sum‐by‐1s, sum by 2s'
1
2
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I think the primary purpose is to sell the language to a complete layman.
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On 1/5/07, James Britt <james.britt@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the purpose of having these at all?
I'll see if Ara and his friend are interested in an interview, but I
don't know anyone on the UnSpun team. I would be interested in
interviewing them if I can get some contact information. I'll also
contact the team from Steve Case's startup...
I think these sorts of things are what sell to people in management
honestly. For example, I've been working on selling Ruby/Rails to my
superiors here on campus. They're very security and stability
conscience, so mentioning anything other than PHP for the website and
Java for application software is pretty much out of the question. The
first question out of their mouth was "Who else is using it? We're
not going to use it unless it's been proven." Point blank.
Now, if I were a ruby newbie who just learned the language and wanted
to use it, then I would've been stuck. Fortunately, I'm fairly in
touch with where Ruby is being used and could provide some example
that yes, real people use Ruby. It's not just a Japanese guy and a
few startups that dont' have a real product. Ruby has proven/is
proving itself in a lot of places. Having this page gives people who
aren't that plugged into what's going on that same sort of
information. I think it's pretty important; I'm just not sure that a
fat list of links is the best way to present it.
Even further, some developers might be curious about Ruby, but be
discouraged if theres no evidence of it actually being used. I hear
this a lot from people who are interested in learning laguages like
Haskell, but don't see any practical value in it since they're not
going to use it outside of a hobby.
--Jeremy
P.S. - My superiors bought it and Ruby powers a lot of things around
here. Now...I just need to get hold of the website...
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On 1/5/07, James Britt <james.britt@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeremy McAnally wrote:
...
> I think the page we have now is significant, but maybe needs to look
> less like a list and more like a narrative outlining some of the
> success stories. When I pop open both the Python and Ruby success
> stories pages, all I see are links. I've looked at the Ruby one
> before, but glossed over it because there was nothing compelling about
> it. Maybe the content should stay but be presented in a more
> interesting way?
>What is the purpose of having these at all?
--
James Britt"Judge a man by his questions, rather than his answers."
- Voltaire
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My blogs:
A valid question is whether that is worthwhile or not. Of course,
it's a good thing to point a layman to if said layman is a potential
employer and you want to work with Ruby.
That having been said, creating your own mini-success story is much
more effective.
So I'm not really sure how I feel on the matter.
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On 1/5/07, Bryan Weatherly <bryan.weatherly.ruby@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/5/07, James Britt <james.britt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What is the purpose of having these at all?
>
I think the primary purpose is to sell the language to a complete layman.
I think these sorts of things are what sell to people in management
honestly. For example, I've been working on selling Ruby/Rails to my
superiors here on campus.
Awesome, then you are the perfect guy to help us improve this section of the site.
I think it's pretty important; I'm just not sure that a
fat list of links is the best way to present it.
I'm sure we would be open to new ideas. Mock something up and show us. If you find something we can all get behind, I will put it up.
James Edward Gray II
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On Jan 5, 2007, at 6:17 PM, Jeremy McAnally wrote:
Jeremy McAnally wrote:
I think these sorts of things are what sell to people in management
honestly. For example, I've been working on selling Ruby/Rails to my
superiors here on campus. They're very security and stability
conscience, so mentioning anything other than PHP for the website and
Java for application software is pretty much out of the question. The
first question out of their mouth was "Who else is using it? We're
not going to use it unless it's been proven." Point blank.
I whole-heartedly agree. Success stories like one I heard on
http://podcast.rubyonrails.org/programs/1/episodes/josh_shairbaum_and_dan_manges
about Ruby being used in JPMorgan Chase are just the thing we need more
of. That and solid, impartial code reviews based on benchmarks and
security audits. Anyone up for hosting a break-into-my-rails-server
contest?
There is another rather large company that won an innovation award
recently and Ruby was a key part of it. I have been looking all over
for that again. I was hoping to find it on the Ruby success stories
page but to no avail.
To what degree does blogger.com use Ruby? Our many of our blogs
actually powered there by rails on the backend? I've read the following
quote a dozen times wondering that:
"After researching the market, Ruby on Rails stood out as the
best choice. We have been very happy with that decision. We
will continue building on Rails and consider it a key business
advantage."
-Evan Williams, Creator of Blogger and ODEO
Having a success stories page is something of a two-bladed sword,
however. If it isn't kept current or lacks content having the page can
leave one with a "that's it" feeling. Many of the very large successes
within the enterprise, I fear, will never be outed simple because of
the competitive and legal encumberances most enterprise Ruby users have
to face. I'm betting there are a lot of international success stories
also that are not being noticed.
Perl provides an interesting comparison here. It didn't and doesn't
need a success stories page because it has always held so much together
that is hard to quantify. Unfortunately, like Ruby, I bet some large
companies would even be ashamed to admit they are using either of these
dynamic languages the way they are. It's like everyone's dirty little
secret. Somehow they are still falsely viewed as toy languages or
something to glue together *real* applications. Ruby and Perl users
seem to be fighting those same stigmas. Python, however, seems to have
somehow overcome that in my experience, although I haven't a clue how.
It amazes me that people see PHP as a *stable* language, anyone who
does has never watched the 1.4 stuff put memory through the roof. Same
goes for Java, whose now long corrected crappy JVM burned me real bad
in 97 with faulty hand-off of threads when run from a servlet engine.
In those cases the marketing train seems to run right over any
concerns. Companies are more than happy to boast about Java because of
the *perception* of stability and maturity it enjoys, which after some
10+ years of corporate adoption and tweeking it may finally deserve
despite how horrible the language itself can be. [Can you believe there
are still no closures? And generics? What's the deal, trying to be a
pseudo-dynamic language? Although I must disclose I only know generics
from reading and hearing about them.]
One thing I think all the communities will agree on though, Ruby is
here to stay in a big way.
Could it be the one true language bringing balance and restoring peace
to the smalltalkers, lispers, pylons, perl mongers and java drones?
Nah. But you can't ignore the download numbers, usage statistics,
newsgroup postings, and anecdotal water-cooler research. Ruby is
infecting intelligent minds everywhere.