Looking for HTML templating system

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Hi,
I’m a Ruby newbie.

I've been curious about what Ruby frameworks exist. I've googled and

found Amrita; are there any others?

Frameworks are necessary but they can be a little over zealous. One

of the reasons I’m enjoying learning Ruby is that I’m from a Java
background; imho, the J2EE world falls into confusion from a glut of
frameworks.

Andreas, what are you trying to achieve with your forums? Are any

pre-existing ruby forums or portals out there?

Nick Faiz

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-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Schwarz [mailto:usenet@andreas-s.net]
Sent: Monday, 8 March 2004 10:30 AM
To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Subject: Re: Looking for HTML templating system

Shu-yu Guo wrote:

On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 07:19:40AM +0900, Andreas Schwarz wrote:

At that point, it seems smarter to shift your focus from “HTML
templates to
put my Ruby in” to “Ruby class that puts out HTML”.

The problem is that the methods generating html could end up containing
more and more of the functional core of the application, so that they
aren’t easily exchangeable. But I will think about it again…

I agree with Andreas here. Templates are templates, there should be no
logic
in them; they are only presentation. You shouldn’t ask your template
writers
to learn your programming language just to change how your software looks.
If
your templates become your code, there is no point in having the
templates,
just go ahead and embed HTML.
^^^^^^^^^^
I did that in the last forum i wrote, and I hate it :slight_smile:

While it is a given that your templates will grow complex, they do not
necessarily have to have code in them.

Most template systems have “if” constructs, iterators etc…

I think a system like Amrita demonstrates that well.

I won’t use Amrita because it seems to be a real memory and cpu hog
(haven’t tried the latest version though), and I really don’t see the
point in parsing the whole template with rexml just to exchange a few
strings. For big complex sites and with caching, maybe - but not for a
forum that is intended to have speed as its main (but I hope not only)
feature.

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There are oodles of them.

Off the top of my head, Amrita, Cerise, Iowa, Borges, CGIkit, SWS, and one
that I am forgetting the name of that was posted about a week or so ago –
it takes templates and data and generates code (Ruby, PHP, several other
languages possible) to generate the HTML.

That’s not all of them, though.

Amrita and CGIkit have the widest userbases, I think. Iowa probably has
the smallest of that list, though I have sites and applications under it
ranging from a handful of lines in a couple of files to large things with
a couple hundred thousand lines.

Kirk Haines

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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Nick Faiz wrote:

Hi,
I’m a Ruby newbie.

I’ve been curious about what Ruby frameworks exist. I’ve googled and
found Amrita; are there any others?

Frameworks are necessary but they can be a little over zealous. One
of the reasons I’m enjoying learning Ruby is that I’m from a Java
background; imho, the J2EE world falls into confusion from a glut of
frameworks.