Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> writes:
Christian Neukirchen wrote:
Bill Guindon <agorilla@gmail.com> writes:
[...]
Sounds about right. The list of boards, user groups, news groups and
websites that this guy has been shunned from is astonishing.
If you have some free time to waste, I recommend everyone to read:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/msg/e62bf980a87ffbe2
Total fun. 
Good old times.
Yeah, I liked you better when you were in the other groups back then.
My favorite message within this thread was:
Peter Lewerin Sep 26 2002, 3:27 am
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/msg/510c586286b28ea1
Made me almost piss my pants.
The essence of the whole thread (and the SCHEME evaluations) was this one:
"
estimation: disrespect.
scheme => shame !
provisional rejected.
"
This is so ridiculous, I don't even know what to say.
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craig duncan wrote:
Christian Neukirchen wrote:
If you have some free time to waste, I recommend everyone to read:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/msg/e62bf980a87ffbe2
Total fun.
I've never (really) used Google Groups before. Does this provide some kind of threaded access to the messages in the group? The above link brings up a page that has no obvious navigational features on it.
[...]
[google is not very intuitive in this regard]
Simply click on the Subject of a thread, here:
"LISP - R5RS - John McCarthy".
This will open a thread view.
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or use this link directly:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/browse_frm/thread/865481b8c0561667
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> is graz a nice city?
Graz is a *really* nice city! I have been living there last summer. A
lot of nice old buildings, and lots of cultural stuff to see. If you
ever want to visit Austria, you should definitely stay in Graz for a
while.
I'm not the only "Ilias Lazaridis" on this planet.
Possibly simply on my website:
http://lazaridis.com/resumes/lazaridis.html
May I quote yourself:
"
we are in usenet.
many people follow discussions.
it is more friendly, if the information is provided directly.
have you the information?
why don't you share it with me?
why don't you share it with the other people which are reading?
"
Ah, this really is a nice flamewar 
martinus
Christian Neukirchen wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> writes:
Christian Neukirchen wrote:
Bill Guindon <agorilla@gmail.com> writes:
[...]
Sounds about right. The list of boards, user groups, news groups and
websites that this guy has been shunned from is astonishing.
If you have some free time to waste, I recommend everyone to read:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/msg/e62bf980a87ffbe2
Total fun.
Good old times.
Yeah, I liked you better when you were in the other groups back then.
I liked myself better, too.
But I have to become more pragmatic, as i must start producing something, due to financial limits.
My favorite message within this thread was:
Peter Lewerin Sep 26 2002, 3:27 am
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/msg/510c586286b28ea1
Made me almost piss my pants.
Once more I had a good laugh.
The essence of the whole thread (and the SCHEME evaluations) was this one:
"
estimation: disrespect.
scheme => shame !
provisional rejected.
"
This is so ridiculous, I don't even know what to say.
Please explain.
This here is still valid:
"
maybe a scheme lover can serve me with some *concrete* facts that can
change my mind!
"
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Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> writes:
The essence of the whole thread (and the SCHEME evaluations) was this one:
"
estimation: disrespect.
scheme => shame !
provisional rejected.
"
This is so ridiculous, I don't even know what to say.
Please explain.
This here is still valid:
"
maybe a scheme lover can serve me with some *concrete* facts that can
change my mind!
"
If you dismiss a language due the lack of referencing an influent
person in the standard, you'll never get anywere.
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Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@gmail.com> http://chneukirchen.org
Christian Neukirchen wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> writes:
The essence of the whole thread (and the SCHEME evaluations) was this one:
"
estimation: disrespect.
scheme => shame !
provisional rejected.
"
This is so ridiculous, I don't even know what to say.
Please explain.
This here is still valid:
"
maybe a scheme lover can serve me with some *concrete* facts that can
change my mind!
"
If you dismiss a language due the lack of referencing an influent
person
John McCarthy: inventor/discoverer of LISP (and thus the "Grand Father" of all LISP dialects).
in the standard, you'll never get anywere.
I understand your thought, which is false.
I sense that I'm close to my goal.
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As for Scheme:
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Respect to the Roots.
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Neither the LISP-to-SCHEME-transformers (Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald
Jay Sussman) nor the SCHEME community have this.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/msg/01aeb2489438816f
SCHEME [the language & the surrounding systems] cannot procude the next generation software systems.
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Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> writes:
Christian Neukirchen wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> writes:
The essence of the whole thread (and the SCHEME evaluations) was this one:
"
estimation: disrespect.
scheme => shame !
provisional rejected.
"
This is so ridiculous, I don't even know what to say.
Please explain.
This here is still valid:
"
maybe a scheme lover can serve me with some *concrete* facts that can
change my mind!
"
If you dismiss a language due the lack of referencing an influent
person
John McCarthy: inventor/discoverer of LISP (and thus the "Grand
Father" of all LISP dialects).
I know that very well.
Also, without Adam and Eve, Lisp (and therefore Scheme) would not
have been possible... and they aren't mentioned either!
in the standard, you'll never get anywere.
I understand your thought, which is false.
AFAICS, you *are* not getting anywere. If you spend all the time
trolling around in various newsgroups for the last years writing code
(or your own language, that does what *you* want and aknowledges
whoever you want in it's reference), ... what do you think you were
now?
I sense that I'm close to my goal.
Yeah, you already pissed off a lot of people on this list.
-
Respect to the Roots.
-
Neither the LISP-to-SCHEME-transformers (Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald
Jay Sussman) nor the SCHEME community have this.
You must be joking. Did you ever read the Lambda papers?
SCHEME [the language & the surrounding systems] cannot procude the
next generation software systems.
Then come up with something better.
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Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@gmail.com> http://chneukirchen.org
Christian Neukirchen wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> writes:
[...]
If you dismiss a language due the lack of referencing an influent
person
John McCarthy: inventor/discoverer of LISP (and thus the "Grand
Father" of all LISP dialects).
I know that very well.
Also, without Adam and Eve, Lisp (and therefore Scheme) would not
have been possible... and they aren't mentioned either!
exaggeration.
[conversation abort condition]
in the standard, you'll never get anywere.
I understand your thought, which is false.
AFAICS, you *are* not getting anywere. If you spend all the time
[...] - (irrelevant comments)
you don't know my goals.
thus you cannot judge.
I sense that I'm close to my goal.
Yeah, you already pissed off a lot of people on this list.
this is not my goal.
[don't ask for them, I'll not answer]
Respect to the Roots.
-
Neither the LISP-to-SCHEME-transformers (Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald
Jay Sussman) nor the SCHEME community have this.
You must be joking.
no.
"
The report gives a de ning description of the program-
ming language Scheme. Scheme is a statically scoped and
properly tail-recursive dialect of the Lisp programming
language invented by Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald
Jay Sussman.
"
source:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/msg/01aeb2489438816f
Did you ever read the Lambda papers?
no.
The shameless overstatement above (accepted by the 'inventors' and the community was enouth.
SCHEME [the language & the surrounding systems] cannot procude the
next generation software systems.
Then come up with something better.
I've not the time.
First I try to build it using existing systems.
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Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> writes:
Christian Neukirchen wrote:
I sense that I'm close to my goal.
Yeah, you already pissed off a lot of people on this list.
this is not my goal.
[don't ask for them, I'll not answer]
Sorry, I got you wrong then. }
Respect to the Roots.
-
Neither the LISP-to-SCHEME-transformers (Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald
Jay Sussman) nor the SCHEME community have this.
You must be joking.
no.
"
The report gives a de ning description of the program-
ming language Scheme. Scheme is a statically scoped and
properly tail-recursive dialect of the Lisp programming
language invented by Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald
Jay Sussman.
"
source:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/msg/01aeb2489438816f
And what's the problem with that? They claim it's a dialect of Lisp.
(Whatever Lisp they refer to.)
Did you ever read the Lambda papers?
no.
The shameless overstatement above (accepted by the 'inventors' and the
community was enouth.
BS.
SCHEME [the language & the surrounding systems] cannot procude the
next generation software systems.
Then come up with something better.
I've not the time.
First I try to build it using existing systems.
You won't find them with your methods.
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Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@gmail.com> http://chneukirchen.org
Christian Neukirchen wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> writes:
[...] - (repetition)
I've provided all the neccessary information and answers (within this sub-thread or withing the archieve pointed to).
You disagree - this is of course ok.
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