Thanks Paul but for now it might be best if I did just sit quietly in
the corner like a good little girl.
Thank you very much to the people who politely informed me of existing
groups I can go along to. I'm glad that the profile of the brit ruby
community has been raised and we're all now aware of meetings and
groups. It would be nice one day to get these groups and communities
together for a few drinks in Blackpool, Bournemouth, Brighton (or some
other seaside resort beginning with B) one summer.... Plenty of time to
plan.
At least we know there's some of us interested. ( : Would be a nice
networking day if anything...
Gem
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From: Paul Robinson [mailto:paul@iconoplex.co.uk]
Sent: 27 October 2006 12:49
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: [ANN] Potential Brit ruby meeting formally Chunky Bacon
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On 26 Oct 2006, at 17:53, Tom Armitage wrote:
I'm just trying to point out that the best course of action as a
newbie is not to go "hey, let's have a conference, who here does
Ruby?" but rather to poke around for larger organisations such as
Geekup, LRUG, etc, who might be able to offer
advice/expertise/contacts/resources to make a really kickass
conference, rather than just a bunch of people loosely throwing things
together.
Tom, you completely miss the point. What's more, you're kind of being a
bit rude whilst you do it. Please take the rest of this mail in the
gentle spirit in which it is intended.
The simple truth is, meetings in the UK aren't easy for newbs to find.
There aren't very many meetings anyway. What meetings there are, don't
appeal to 80% of the community - they feel very 'cliquey'
and 'elitist' to newbies. You certainly aren't doing much here to betray
the opinion that they might not be very newbie-friendly. You make the
community come across as almost hostile.
And anyway, an over-priced Rails conference six weeks ago is not the
same as a cheap Ruby meeting next year. A meeting in Germany is not a UK
meeting. An LRUG is not the same as a UK meeting.
She wanted a cheap UK Ruby meeting.
There isn't one.
She offered to sort it out for us.
You told her off.
You suck. 
If LRUG wants to offer a UK meeting, they should, but they're not, so if
Gemma wants to, why should anybody get in her way? I feel that you're
belittling and patronising somebody who is trying to bring us together
as a community.
I don't care if she's a newbie. She was trying to do something for the
good of us all. Telling her off doesn't help us, her, or you. It just
makes you - and the rest of us who have been knocking around for a while
- look mean.
This does not mean such an event can't be thrown together quickly and
affordably and without hassle, it's just prudent to look for peers
rather than assume you're the only people interested in doing stuff.
Look at the list of people on this thread who said "I'm in", and ask
yourself why they aren't attending LRUG or Euroko.
I have no doubt LRUG is good at what it does. I have no doubt GeekUp is
good at what it does. Had you thought maybe there is room for something
different? Something fresh and new that might be to the benefit of us
all?
There are no formal communication channels within the Ruby community,
outside of Matz accepting changes to the language.
There is no need to look for peers for approval.
If somebody wants to do something, they get to do it, and they deserve
our unequivocal support for *trying*.
If nobody shows up, well, hey-ho. C'est la vie.
They should never, EVER feel they have to ask you or anybody else for
what feels like 'permission'.
You effectively *chastised* her for fuck's sake.
I'm sad about that. Really, really sad. And angry. 
It's not a case of raining on parades or treading on toes. It's just
advice, and it's frustrating people charging into things.
It's even more frustrating when I see mean people patronising a newb who
is so enthusiastic, she wants to do something that benefits all of us.
Now she won't feel she can. A whole new opportunity for us all has been
lost because you decided to vent.
It's easy to say "No, don't, because this thing exists and you should
like it, god damn you", and much harder to say "sure, this thing is
here, that thing is there, they might help, but if you want to do
something else, we'll try and show up".
Do the hard thing Tom, and stop saying things that make you sound like a
jerk.
I know you're not a jerk, but you kind of sound like one, here.
Kind of. In a way. But not horrendously so.
It's like this is trying to be the Perl or PHP community. We don't want
it to be like that. Please let us get on with having fun.
I hope you don't feel like I'm being horrible, but it had to be said,
and nobody else was stepping up to the plate.
Gemma: go for it. I'll show up if I can. I'll help if I can. Other
people will to. You don't need to ask for permission, or look at what
already exists. People on this thread are saying yes, because they don't
like what is already on offer. There is no clique, core, or group you
have to ask permission of. Anybody who tells you there is, or pretends
there is, isn't one of the rest of us. Don't listen.
@thread.responders.uniq.each { |possible_attendee|
AddressBook << possible_attendee
unless clique_members.include? possible_attendee
possible_attendee.invite :possible_date => next_year
end
}
@thread.close
Respect Tom, regardless, no hard feelings,
Paul
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