Remember Samantha? She dropped by the list a while ago and was given the
idea to develop a Rails resume generator...
Anyway, yesterday she happened to email me about the Haifa RUG post (only
reply this far and it was a false ) and I happened to remember her
project and give her a bit of advice, and it developed into a conversation
reminding a bit of a chat about her project, that seems to have pulled her
out of a stuck position (I hope).
Well, she told me she's glad she can email me those questions since sending
them to the list would be overkill and uncomfortable...
Now, remember the recent discussion about newbie questions plaguing the
list?
All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. Somehow,
every newbie that wants would get an email address of a volunteer from
ruby-talk, with whom he can correspond personally and who will answer his
basic questions and serve to also encourage him to keep learning.
I could manage two-three active newbies at a time, I think, and they would
greatly benefit from it if they are anything like me.
What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you volunteer?
Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
anywhere is good)?
As a newbie, I think that would be awesome. I've emailed off-list with two
people so far, and the help has been tremendous. I think that it's an
awesome idea. Personally, I don't like putting stuff out there and possibly
sounding like a moron so, I get shy asking specific questions when I know
that so many people are out there on the list. It's a bit intimidating.
So, you get my newbie-vote.
···
On 2/14/07, SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Remember Samantha? She dropped by the list a while ago and was given the
idea to develop a Rails resume generator...
Anyway, yesterday she happened to email me about the Haifa RUG post (only
reply this far and it was a false ) and I happened to remember her
project and give her a bit of advice, and it developed into a conversation
reminding a bit of a chat about her project, that seems to have pulled her
out of a stuck position (I hope).
Well, she told me she's glad she can email me those questions since
sending
them to the list would be overkill and uncomfortable...
Now, remember the recent discussion about newbie questions plaguing the
list?
All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. Somehow,
every newbie that wants would get an email address of a volunteer from
ruby-talk, with whom he can correspond personally and who will answer his
basic questions and serve to also encourage him to keep learning.
I could manage two-three active newbies at a time, I think, and they would
greatly benefit from it if they are anything like me.
What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you volunteer?
Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
anywhere is good)?
Remember Samantha? She dropped by the list a while ago and was given the
idea to develop a Rails resume generator...
Anyway, yesterday she happened to email me about the Haifa RUG post (only
reply this far and it was a false ) and I happened to remember her
project and give her a bit of advice, and it developed into a conversation
reminding a bit of a chat about her project, that seems to have pulled her
out of a stuck position (I hope).
Well, she told me she's glad she can email me those questions since sending
them to the list would be overkill and uncomfortable...
Now, remember the recent discussion about newbie questions plaguing the
list?
All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. Somehow,
every newbie that wants would get an email address of a volunteer from
ruby-talk, with whom he can correspond personally and who will answer his
basic questions and serve to also encourage him to keep learning.
I could manage two-three active newbies at a time, I think, and they would
greatly benefit from it if they are anything like me.
What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you volunteer?
Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
anywhere is good)?
I would be interested, but I think it would depend on the adoptee not
just the adopter. I would not want to end up being the fount of
knowledge and turn into a crutch for the adopted person.
···
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 05:03:16AM +0900, SonOfLilit wrote:
Seriously, this sounds pretty cool. I'm lucky enough to write Ruby
all day long for my day job, and I could probably help some other
people out quite a bit I think.
Pat
···
On 2/14/07, SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@gmail.com> wrote:
All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. Somehow,
every newbie that wants would get an email address of a volunteer from
ruby-talk, with whom he can correspond personally and who will answer his
basic questions and serve to also encourage him to keep learning.
All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. [...]
What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you volunteer?
Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
anywhere is good)?
I very much like the idea, but I would like to mitigate a little the
points of view given so far. True enough, some newbie questions are
recurring and sometimes a little heavy on the list. But it often happens
that a newbie question triggers a whole bunch of completely different
answers on the list - and I've learned many tricks from 'newbie'
questions, though I hardly consider myself a newbie anymore. That would
be a pity to deprive ruby-talk reader from this interesting threads.
To prevent that, why not change slightly the role of the 'mentor' : if
I understand right, an important part of the problem is about
self-censorship. So if the 'mentor' could act as a 'censor' (sorry, my
English is not that great and I can't come up with a more neutral term)
and redirect the newbie to the list when he/she thinks that it is likely
to trigger a rich thread ?
I think this is a great idea ! I can't wait for being adopted by Matz ^^
Seriously, I'm interrested in trying the experience of adopting a newbie, but
I'm not sure if my explanations would be clear enough, as my english is
somewhat poor. However, as it is a 1 to 1 relationship, it would be logical
to take into account the prefered language(s) of the adopter and the adoptee.
Did you already think about that ?
Remember Samantha? She dropped by the list a while ago and was given the
idea to develop a Rails resume generator...
Anyway, yesterday she happened to email me about the Haifa RUG post (only
reply this far and it was a false ) and I happened to remember her
project and give her a bit of advice, and it developed into a conversation
reminding a bit of a chat about her project, that seems to have pulled her
out of a stuck position (I hope).
Well, she told me she's glad she can email me those questions since sending
them to the list would be overkill and uncomfortable...
Now, remember the recent discussion about newbie questions plaguing the
list?
All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. Somehow,
every newbie that wants would get an email address of a volunteer from
ruby-talk, with whom he can correspond personally and who will answer his
basic questions and serve to also encourage him to keep learning.
I could manage two-three active newbies at a time, I think, and they would
greatly benefit from it if they are anything like me.
What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you volunteer?
Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
anywhere is good)?
I'd be willing to mentor someone as well, but as others have
mentioned, it should be expected that the adoptee is motivated to do
the heavy lifting necessary to learn.
But yeah, I'm in.
···
On 2/14/07, SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@gmail.com> wrote:
What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you volunteer?
Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
anywhere is good)?
What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you volunteer?
Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
anywhere is good)?
I'll volunteer; areas of expertise is advanced pure Ruby hackery, and
generic Unix experience. I'm a former kernel hacker on FreeBSD with
20 years of programming experience, about 10 years of web/database
experience, about 4 years of Ruby experience, and I used to work
professionally with Ruby (though I don't at the moment.)
I can help with generic program design and use of Ruby; I do not
program Rails, nor have I worked with most of the special modules for
Ruby lately, just general Ruby programming (including use of
Test::Unit).
If it sounds useful, just throw me questions.
Eivind.
···
On 2/14/07, SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be happy to help out. I would also suggest that most user
groups have a mailing list and that can be a very comfortable place to
post questions that are "too basic" etc. As most everyone involved
tends be more acquainted with one another.
I was actually going to suggest that in the previous thread; however,
I did not want to in anyway diminish the community of the this mailing
list <grin>.
In any case sign me up -- and if you live any where near South Eastern
Michigan, checkout http://rubymi.org/ for details on our meetings and
mailing list as well.
pth
···
On 2/14/07, SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@gmail.com> wrote:
What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you volunteer?
Remember Samantha? She dropped by the list a while ago and was given the
idea to develop a Rails resume generator...
Anyway, yesterday she happened to email me about the Haifa RUG post (only
reply this far and it was a false )
Check your email, Aur
-Alder
···
On 2/14/07, SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@gmail.com> wrote:
and I happened to remember her
project and give her a bit of advice, and it developed into a conversation
reminding a bit of a chat about her project, that seems to have pulled her
out of a stuck position (I hope).
Well, she told me she's glad she can email me those questions since sending
them to the list would be overkill and uncomfortable...
Now, remember the recent discussion about newbie questions plaguing the
list?
All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. Somehow,
every newbie that wants would get an email address of a volunteer from
ruby-talk, with whom he can correspond personally and who will answer his
basic questions and serve to also encourage him to keep learning.
I could manage two-three active newbies at a time, I think, and they would
greatly benefit from it if they are anything like me.
What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you volunteer?
Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
anywhere is good)?
Well, to potential adoptees we can only offer the service...
But I think many would gladly accept.
Aur Saraf
···
On 2/14/07, Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 05:03:16AM +0900, SonOfLilit wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Remember Samantha? She dropped by the list a while ago and was given the
> idea to develop a Rails resume generator...
>
> Anyway, yesterday she happened to email me about the Haifa RUG post
(only
> reply this far and it was a false ) and I happened to remember her
> project and give her a bit of advice, and it developed into a
conversation
> reminding a bit of a chat about her project, that seems to have pulled
her
> out of a stuck position (I hope).
>
> Well, she told me she's glad she can email me those questions since
sending
> them to the list would be overkill and uncomfortable...
>
> Now, remember the recent discussion about newbie questions plaguing the
> list?
>
> All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. Somehow,
> every newbie that wants would get an email address of a volunteer from
> ruby-talk, with whom he can correspond personally and who will answer
his
> basic questions and serve to also encourage him to keep learning.
>
> I could manage two-three active newbies at a time, I think, and they
would
> greatly benefit from it if they are anything like me.
>
> What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you
volunteer?
> Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
> anywhere is good)?
>
I would be interested, but I think it would depend on the adoptee not
just the adopter. I would not want to end up being the fount of
knowledge and turn into a crutch for the adopted person.
>
> Aur Saraf
I'm currently hand-spamming a few users at ruby-talk that lately started a
thread that I think any of the regulars here could answer easily, about this
thread.
I hope they don't regard it as what it is - spam - but instead think - like
me - that it's an opportunity for a more fun and more straightforward
learning experience.
I also hope I'm not insulting anybody by calling them a newbie when it is
undeserved (also I see no harm in this name myself).
I'm a newbie willing to be beaten ....ahh....helped by a more
experienced user.
I'd also willing provide time to a super brand new person wanting
install help and ruby basics.
What do we do next?
James' idea about moving this offlist has merit.
Mike B.
···
On Feb 14, 12:54 pm, "Pat Maddox" <perg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/14/07, SonOfLilit <sonofli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. Somehow,
> every newbie that wants would get an email address of a volunteer from
> ruby-talk, with whom he can correspond personally and who will answer his
> basic questions and serve to also encourage him to keep learning.
OOH! I want a newbie!!
Seriously, this sounds pretty cool. I'm lucky enough to write Ruby
all day long for my day job, and I could probably help some other
people out quite a bit I think.
This comes to allow discussion on smaller details in a more comfortable
manner.
You know... Like when you ask the programmer next to you something over his
shoulder while he is programming.
It also comes to have someone the newb can discuss program design with, as
that is something that is hard to embody in a single list question.
Having one person familiar with what you are doing is sometimes superior to
having ten experts, especially if they have other things to do.
Of course, interesting discussions should still go to ruby-talk. And if I'm
predicting correctly, this will spawn MANY interesting discussions (as that
is what cognitive resonance does).
···
On 2/15/07, Vincent Fourmond <vincent.fourmond@9online.fr> wrote:
SonOfLilit wrote:
> All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. [...]
> What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you
volunteer?
> Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
> anywhere is good)?
I very much like the idea, but I would like to mitigate a little the
points of view given so far. True enough, some newbie questions are
recurring and sometimes a little heavy on the list. But it often happens
that a newbie question triggers a whole bunch of completely different
answers on the list - and I've learned many tricks from 'newbie'
questions, though I hardly consider myself a newbie anymore. That would
be a pity to deprive ruby-talk reader from this interesting threads.
To prevent that, why not change slightly the role of the 'mentor' : if
I understand right, an important part of the problem is about
self-censorship. So if the 'mentor' could act as a 'censor' (sorry, my
English is not that great and I can't come up with a more neutral term)
and redirect the newbie to the list when he/she thinks that it is likely
to trigger a rich thread ?
Well, since for now it's coordinated here and by email, just tell me where
you are from and what languages you speak
This goes to anyone else.
Aur Saraf
···
On 2/15/07, Olivier <o.renaud@laposte.net> wrote:
I think this is a great idea ! I can't wait for being adopted by Matz ^^
Seriously, I'm interrested in trying the experience of adopting a newbie,
but
I'm not sure if my explanations would be clear enough, as my english is
somewhat poor. However, as it is a 1 to 1 relationship, it would be
logical
to take into account the prefered language(s) of the adopter and the
adoptee.
Did you already think about that ?
Hey I saw on the adopt a geek thread you were creating a resume generator. I
was looking at doing the same thing. How is it coming?
···
On 2/14/07, Samantha <rubygeekgirl@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/14/07, SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Remember Samantha? She dropped by the list a while ago and was given the
> idea to develop a Rails resume generator...
>
> Anyway, yesterday she happened to email me about the Haifa RUG post
(only
> reply this far and it was a false ) and I happened to remember her
> project and give her a bit of advice, and it developed into a
conversation
> reminding a bit of a chat about her project, that seems to have pulled
her
> out of a stuck position (I hope).
>
> Well, she told me she's glad she can email me those questions since
> sending
> them to the list would be overkill and uncomfortable...
>
> Now, remember the recent discussion about newbie questions plaguing the
> list?
>
> All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. Somehow,
> every newbie that wants would get an email address of a volunteer from
> ruby-talk, with whom he can correspond personally and who will answer
his
> basic questions and serve to also encourage him to keep learning.
>
> I could manage two-three active newbies at a time, I think, and they
would
> greatly benefit from it if they are anything like me.
>
> What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you
volunteer?
> Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
> anywhere is good)?
>
> Aur Saraf
>
As a newbie, I think that would be awesome. I've emailed off-list with
two
people so far, and the help has been tremendous. I think that it's an
awesome idea. Personally, I don't like putting stuff out there and
possibly
sounding like a moron so, I get shy asking specific questions when I
know
that so many people are out there on the list. It's a bit intimidating.
Premises:
(1) I believe that the list is the best way to teach.
(2) I know that I am a bad teacher (I love to teach of course).
(3) I understand that some newbies are afraid on posting even on the
friendliest ML of the world ruby-talk IMHO.
Conclusion:
Count me in but only if you are willing to accept, that
(1) I will ignore your mail if tired/overbooked or not interested.
(2) I will give strange answers
(3) I will act as a proxy to the list nobody will ever know who asked
the stupid question. <As a matter of fact I can now ask stupid
questions for free:)>
Cheers
Robert
···
--
We have not succeeded in answering all of our questions.
In fact, in some ways, we are more confused than ever.
But we feel we are confused on a higher level and about more important things.
-Anonymous
I've often thought about this but in a slightly different way.
As a newbie I think this is a great idea and I'd certainly be interested
in being mentored, but I'll throw my ideas in here anyway. I guess my
ideas are not for newbies on the first rung of the ladder, but a rung or 2
higher.
1. Last year at Uni I was part of a 4 student team given the task of
creating a project for a 'customer'. It was web based and used PHP and
none of us had any real experience with PHP. But by the end of the year
we'd learnt a lot. So, couldn't 4-5 newbies here start an open source
project using Ruby? Perhaps with a Mentor overlooking the project? This
would not only develop Ruby skills but requirements, teamwork, project
management etc. I've thought about joining a 'real' Ruby project but would
feel like a preschooler going to University. This way we'd all be
preschoolers under the guidance of the Mentor.
2. Have some (progressively harder) newbie quizzes on RubyQuiz. ie have a
series of quizzes that brings the (semi) newbie up to the level of the
quizzes that are there now.
3. I remember a while ago, although I can't remember the site, someone was
organising a series of 'on-line lectures' from the 'Rute User's Tutorial
and Exposition'. Something along the lines of:
"In 3 weeks time we're going to start studying each chapter over the
course of a week. During the first week we'll study 'Computing Sub-basics'
the second week 'Basic Commands', wk7 'Shell Scripting' etc
Again, could a small group of newbies under the watchful eye of a Mentor
do a similar thing with the 'Pickaxe' for eg?
cheers,
···
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:20:07 +0900, Logan Capaldo wrote:
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 05:03:16AM +0900, SonOfLilit wrote:
Hello all,
Remember Samantha? She dropped by the list a while ago and was given the
idea to develop a Rails resume generator...
Anyway, yesterday she happened to email me about the Haifa RUG post (only
reply this far and it was a false ) and I happened to remember her
project and give her a bit of advice, and it developed into a conversation
reminding a bit of a chat about her project, that seems to have pulled her
out of a stuck position (I hope).
Well, she told me she's glad she can email me those questions since sending
them to the list would be overkill and uncomfortable...
Now, remember the recent discussion about newbie questions plaguing the
list?
All of this has brought me to think of an Adopt-a-newbie model. Somehow,
every newbie that wants would get an email address of a volunteer from
ruby-talk, with whom he can correspond personally and who will answer his
basic questions and serve to also encourage him to keep learning.
I could manage two-three active newbies at a time, I think, and they would
greatly benefit from it if they are anything like me.
What do you think? Would you consider it a good idea? Would you volunteer?
Is anyone up for infrastructure (preferrably on ruby-lang.org, though
anywhere is good)?
I would be interested, but I think it would depend on the adoptee not
just the adopter. I would not want to end up being the fount of
knowledge and turn into a crutch for the adopted person.
) and I happened to remember her
so, I get shy asking specific questions when I know
) and I happened to remember her