Well speaking as a recent convert (who finally subscribed to this list
a few days ago), it's clear that the Ruby community is mature enough
that even if the bubble should burst, there's still a core of
dedicated people who know what they're doing and love the technology,
regardless of the hype, and will do what they need to to satisfy their
own desires from the language without worrying about what other people
think.
I admit, I checked it out because of the hype, but I'm genuinely
liking what I'm seeing digging into the language and into Rails. It's
the happy middle ground between the perl and Java (which I primarly
work in right now). It's got *real* objects but still has the
richness of perl (and not so much of the craziness of it that can bite
you in the foot.)
I hope to be here for the long haul, not just because it's "hip."
Just my $0.02.
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On 7/27/06, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:
The scary thing about this is that such high-powered demands are often a
bubble, which eventually bursts in a spectacular way. That's not
something I think anyone wants to happen to Ruby, or even to Rails.
The language is just Ruby. Or even ruby, if you are talking about the interpreter itself. Never RUBY though. 
James Edward Gray II
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On Jul 28, 2006, at 10:58 PM, Gus S Calabrese wrote:
the main focus will be on RUBY
Heck, I'm in, assuming I can't do the RubyConf thing. I'm not afraid of fire
or bugs or things that go *rowr* in the night (including fellow Rubyists).
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On 7/28/06, Gus S Calabrese <gsc@omegadogs.com> wrote:
Based on what I am hearing, I am going to put together a follow-on
conference October 28 ( Sat ) thru Nov 3rd ( Friday )
Sat and Sunday will be informal and will be based at a mountain
retreat. The rest of the week will be in the Denver area.
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Based on what I am hearing, I am going to put together a follow-on conference October 28 ( Sat ) thru Nov 3rd ( Friday )
Sat and Sunday will be informal and will be based at a mountain retreat. The rest of the week will be in the Denver area.
Presentations will be Monday through Thursday 0900 to 1200, break , 1330 to 1630. Friday is 0900 to 1300.
the main focus will be on RUBY
I am inviting presentations, especially in unusual areas such as using RUBY to remote control via the web, VOIP apps using RUBY, etc.
Right now the mountain retreat will 5 star fun and 1 star luxury. ( basic amenities, food and shelter, campfires, under the stars video projection
seminars ) Sat and Sunday will occur in the vicinity of Fairplay which is pretty close to Breckenridge for those who want deluxe sleeping arrangements.
We will have a shuttle service to Breckenridge Sat night. There is shuttle service to Breckenridge from the Denver Iternational ( whoohah ) airport.
Monday thru Friday will be at Denver Metro areas that will seat 600 people. Weather permitting , some events will be outside.
This conference will be more like the SlamDance wanna be of Sundance. Maybe more fun........
Gus Calabrese
Ruby Conference in Colorado
Gus S Calabrese
Denver, CO
720 222 1309 303 908 7716 cell
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Begin forwarded message:
From: Gus S Calabrese <gsc@omegadogs.com>
Date: 2006,July 28 9:58:18 PM MDT
To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Subject: Re: About last night ...
On 2006-Jul 28, at 07:26hrs AM, dblack@wobblini.net wrote:
Matt Pattison wrote:
It is an interesting argument, that the Ruby community has grown, from
tiny to quite large (at least if you count the size of the hype),
*therefore* Ruby is now too big for a single one track conference,
*therefore* Ruby is too big for one unifying conference that brings
all the leading developers together, *therefore* we should instead
focus on lots of regional mini-conferences. I don't think I buy it.
Isn't the whole point of a conference to hear from and meet the
leading practitioners from around the world in that field, be exposed
to their ideas and learn about the cutting edge of the field? Isn't
the whole idea to get as many of these people together as possible in
the one place?
This may be a hold-over from a pre-Internet world.
I like the idea of a massive Ruby get-together; I'd like to go to a conference and have a reasonable chance of talking to whomever is doing anything in the Ruby universe. But I'm not a big fan of the Moscone Centre, Sun ONE sort of assemblies. I think the earlier Ruby conferences spoiled me.
The best part of the conferences have been the hallway track. As the size of the crowd grows, they tend to become increasingly disjoint and (to some extent) cliquish. So you end up with satellite gatherings anyway.
(Maybe. I'm also playing Devil's Advocate here.)
But there is no longer (and hasn't been for a while) a need to get everyone in the same room to hear a talk.
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- Chet Hendrickson
pat eyler wrote:
Yeah, I'm hoping to get 16-20 proposals, so that we can field 4
"knock their socks off" tracks. The others would make great
fodder for one or more local/regional meetings.
As it happens, I know about another project that will be looking for
quality (written) materials that I hope to be able to start hyping in
August. If you just can't wait, there's also Ruby Code & Style
who probably wouldn't mind getting a couple of submitted articles.
Very much so. And we can pay the writers now. 
Contact me at james DOT britt AT gmail DOT com
BTW, the Phoenix area has some ideas being kicked around for Ruby cons and Ruby tracks at Web/Geek gatherings.
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finally subscribed to this list a few days ago
Welcome !
I'm genuinely liking what I'm seeing digging into the language and
into Rails. It's the happy middle ground between the perl and Java
(which I primarly > work in right now). It's got *real* objects but
still has the richness of perl (and not so much of the craziness of
it that can bite you in the foot.)
Your post reminded me vividly how I felt discovering Ruby in
1999-2000, while undertaking Perl and Java projects at work.
I must say, I've never missed Type Globs or public static void
main(String args) { System.out.println("Hello World!"); } since.
<grin>
Regards,
Bill
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From: "Benjamin Reed" <rangerrick@gmail.com>
Ditto -- barring life interfering, that's something I'd like to do.
It'd probably be worth reporting on, for that matter. It'd be nice to
break even on a conference.
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On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 03:39:15PM +0900, Charles O Nutter wrote:
On 7/28/06, Gus S Calabrese <gsc@omegadogs.com> wrote:
>
>Based on what I am hearing, I am going to put together a follow-on
>conference October 28 ( Sat ) thru Nov 3rd ( Friday )
>Sat and Sunday will be informal and will be based at a mountain
>retreat. The rest of the week will be in the Denver area.
>
Heck, I'm in, assuming I can't do the RubyConf thing. I'm not afraid of fire
or bugs or things that go *rowr* in the night (including fellow Rubyists).
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"There comes a time in the history of any project when it becomes necessary
to shoot the engineers and begin production." - MacUser, November 1990
I guess folks just redefine things as they go along...
See the book " Mother Tongue"
AGSC
the main focus will be on RUBY
The language is just Ruby. Or even ruby, if you are talking about the interpreter itself. Never RUBY though.
James Edward Gray II
Gus S Calabrese
Denver, CO
720 222 1309 303 908 7716 cell
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On 2006-Jul 28, at 22:56hrs PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:
On Jul 28, 2006, at 10:58 PM, Gus S Calabrese wrote:
Hi --
Based on what I am hearing, I am going to put together a follow-on conference October 28 ( Sat ) thru Nov 3rd ( Friday )
Sat and Sunday will be informal and will be based at a mountain retreat. The rest of the week will be in the Denver area.
Presentations will be Monday through Thursday 0900 to 1200, break , 1330 to 1630. Friday is 0900 to 1300.
the main focus will be on RUBY
**Please** don't write "RUBY", especially if you're going to give and
publicize a conference. I understand the whole thing about language
being elastic, etc., but you'd be doing a real disservice to a lot of
people (including, but not limited to, Matz) by introducing this
error, and the resultant confusion, into general Ruby discourse.
Thanks --
David
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Gus S Calabrese wrote:
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