The logo is irrelevant. I can't recall ever having seen it on
anything, other than the ruby-lang.org website. It has also been
widely criticized in this community for not scaling well and not
looking good in greyscale.
Logos, unlike mascots, at least help anchor a webpage design.
···
On 8/24/08, Mayuresh Kathe <kathe.mayuresh@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM, MRH <mauriceroman@gmail.com> wrote:
Going by your logic, even the logo is irrelevant, but it was an effort
supported by Matz himself.
It is only a duck used to evade copyright infringement. A personal
mascot, spawned by a thread long ago called "duck images" here on
ruby-talk. There used to have a drb server that would cough up ASCII
duck animations.
Going by your logic, even the logo is irrelevant, but it was an effort
supported by Matz himself.
Nice try on your part, yet laughable. You stated "essential", and I
countered by implying that it was not essential, and now you twist
that around to "irrelevant" (a cheap strawman wearing a sign that says
"your logic"), and throw in Matz's name.
Then why does every "major" programming effort have a mascot/logo?
FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Linux, Darwin, Minix3, Python, Apache, ...
Each community wanted one, obviously.
Its good to be a programmer, but its important to be a programmer having
taste.
Anyone worthy of being referred to as a programmer knows that taste is
subjective, this is only obvious . . . yet the concept is obviously
alien to you.
I think it looks cute. It's easy to identify with. My only gripe would
be how loosely Hexley is tied with the BSD Devil; I think that would
need to be either stronger, or just non-existant. But I don't use Darwin
OS, so...
Does Perl, C, or Smalltalk have a mascot? I'm trying to come up with
starting points. In any case, a cute animal of some kind would be a
winner here.
···
-----Original Message-----
From: Mayuresh Kathe [mailto:kathe.mayuresh@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:17 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: A Mascot...
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Clinton D. Judy <cdj@goh-inc.com> wrote:
Which is why a great graphic designer could come up with something
that works well in both worlds. It's possible, but you wouldn't want
someone from either side making something that only works for their side
of the world.
I'm with the mascot crowd here. I'm a big fan of ruby, but it's much
harder to get attached to a symbol like the ruby. Personifying ANY
language with a mascot makes it more fun.
Plus, stuffed animals for the kids.
- Clinton
-----Original Message-----
From: hramrach@gmail.com [mailto:hramrach@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Michal Suchanek
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:07 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: A Mascot...
On 20/08/2008, Mayuresh Kathe <kathe.mayuresh@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
>
>> It occurred to me that while Ruby probably has a logo (the ruby
gem
>> itself) it doesn't have a mascot.
>
> Yay! Another reason Ruby Rules!!!
From the last discussion on this topic I got the impression that the
reason for this is very pragmatic: there is little hope that a mascot
that appeals to both Asian people and Western people could be found.
Looking, for example, at the Chinese Olympics merchandise I guess I
can understand some of the reasons behind this disagreement.
I like it! :D, but If you haven´t read all post before please do it,
There are many position in the discussion:
2. Mascot must be male.
I don't think that was David's point at all. I think he believes that
a human mascot is generally a bad idea.
3. Ruby already have one ( an pretty manga-girl, with a nude version! cool,
isn´t it?).
I think the girl is cute, but especially the nude version is a bit
patronizing. We should think about what female programmers will think
of Ruby upon encountering that. I'm sure the feelings will be varied,
but I suspect that'd seem a bit offensive to at least some people.
-greg
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On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Pablo Q. <paqs140482@gmail.com> wrote:
The ruby girl could be as a Special character for ruby (like a tutorial guide or inviting ruby things) and a mascot (for general porpuse, like identiti, simbol, mark, etc...)
Unless I'm mistaken, I think someone googled for "ruby manga", and then pretended an artist had ever heard of our little programming language...
here is a small example about the mascot that i suggest it is just a
fast design... not to much detailed and a lot of errors but it is quite
close what i think
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:42 PM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:
On Friday 22 August 2008 06:41:24 David A. Black wrote:
So, the girl at the counter noticed him ordering the exact same thing, again,
and asked why -- found out he'd dropped the tray -- and gave him the order
free.
I'd say that's something to respect -- either in the actual
brand-loyalty-building genius, or the sheer viral marketing genius if the
story isn't real.
It is only a duck used to evade copyright infringement. A personal
mascot, spawned by a thread long ago called "duck images" here on
ruby-talk. There used to have a drb server that would cough up ASCII
duck animations.
Going by your logic, even the logo is irrelevant, but it was an effort
supported by Matz himself.
Nice try on your part, yet laughable. You stated "essential", and I
countered by implying that it was not essential, and now you twist
that around to "irrelevant" (a cheap strawman wearing a sign that says
"your logic"), and throw in Matz's name.
Your analytical system is seriously flawed and so is your logic.
Then why does every "major" programming effort have a mascot/logo?
FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Linux, Darwin, Minix3, Python, Apache, ...
Each community wanted one, obviously.
So what is stopping the Ruby community from wanting one?
That's a question which has been asked before, "why" doesn't the Ruby
community want a mascot?
Its good to be a programmer, but its important to be a programmer having
taste.
Anyone worthy of being referred to as a programmer knows that taste is
subjective, this is only obvious . . . yet the concept is obviously
alien to you.
There you go off at a tangent again.
Taste can sometimes also be absolute.
All Apple products are tastefully done, that's an accepted fact.
But then again, taste is a concept obviously alien to you.
How old are you again?
31.
~Mayuresh
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:10 AM, MRH <mauriceroman@gmail.com> wrote:
The likeliness to the BSD Devil is intentional, Darwin uses a lot of BSD code.
The Darwin kernel (Mach) is mostly pure, but the tools and utils layer
is all BSD.
Similarly, Hexley is basically the Platypus, but one *wearing* and
*bearing* the horned hat and trident.
Perl has the camel.
C and Smalltalk were created in those days when people weren't so much
interested in mascots
Should I talk with Jon Hooper, the creator of Hexley?
Or should I wait till we have enough momentum from the list members?
···
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Clinton D. Judy <cdj@goh-inc.com> wrote:
I think it looks cute. It's easy to identify with. My only gripe would
be how loosely Hexley is tied with the BSD Devil; I think that would
need to be either stronger, or just non-existant. But I don't use Darwin
OS, so...
Does Perl, C, or Smalltalk have a mascot? I'm trying to come up with
starting points. In any case, a cute animal of some kind would be a
winner here.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mayuresh Kathe [mailto:kathe.mayuresh@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:17 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: A Mascot...
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Clinton D. Judy <cdj@goh-inc.com> > wrote:
Which is why a great graphic designer could come up with something
that works well in both worlds. It's possible, but you wouldn't want
someone from either side making something that only works for their side
of the world.
I'm with the mascot crowd here. I'm a big fan of ruby, but it's much
harder to get attached to a symbol like the ruby. Personifying ANY
language with a mascot makes it more fun.
Plus, stuffed animals for the kids.
- Clinton
-----Original Message-----
From: hramrach@gmail.com [mailto:hramrach@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Michal Suchanek
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:07 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: A Mascot...
On 20/08/2008, Mayuresh Kathe <kathe.mayuresh@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
>
>> It occurred to me that while Ruby probably has a logo (the ruby
gem
>> itself) it doesn't have a mascot.
>
> Yay! Another reason Ruby Rules!!!
From the last discussion on this topic I got the impression that the
reason for this is very pragmatic: there is little hope that a mascot
that appeals to both Asian people and Western people could be found.
Looking, for example, at the Chinese Olympics merchandise I guess I
can understand some of the reasons behind this disagreement.
I'd like to suggest a miner (you know, a pick-axe toting miner). Maybe
a younger one, so it could be a minor miner. Or maybe a pick-axe
toting baby Myna bird. Then it's a minor miner Myna.
-Michael
···
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Marc Heiler <shevegen@linuxmail.org> wrote:
i'm a graphic designer. (if you need some one to draw or create
the mascot)
personaly, i think the best of all mascot that Ruby could have is a
racoon it fits perfect with it (not only related to de ruby and the
funny interest of racoons with shiny things) because it is the animal
that always search for the easy way to take what it needs, it is one of
the most agile, smart, fast and dexterous animals in the world (don't
forget that they have learned to use their hands and finger like human
hands and fingers in a lot of their needs) and i think that Ruby is
exactly that, it search the easiest ways to do the things, it is a smart
programing lenguage, and c'mon ruby is the only lenguage that learns to
use every word and object like the human brain... there are a lot of
behaviours more, well it is just my opinion ^^
any way, if you need someone to help with the design of anything just
contact me
Well FWIW, I just showed Ruby to a female coworker, and she thought that:
1) She was cute and
2) The nude version showed that she was both flexible, and quite
appropriate for Ruby the language, agile!
···
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com>wrote:
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Pablo Q. <paqs140482@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like it! :D, but If you haven´t read all post before please do it,
> 3. Ruby already have one ( an pretty manga-girl, with a nude version!
cool,
> isn´t it?).
I think the girl is cute, but especially the nude version is a bit
patronizing. We should think about what female programmers will think
of Ruby upon encountering that. I'm sure the feelings will be varied,
but I suspect that'd seem a bit offensive to at least some people.
here is a small example about the mascot that i suggest it is just a
fast design... not to much detailed and a lot of errors but it is quite
close what i think
The ruby girl could be as a Special character for ruby (like a tutorial guide or inviting ruby things) and a mascot (for general porpuse, like identiti, simbol, mark, etc...)
Unless I'm mistaken, I think someone googled for "ruby manga", and then pretended an artist had ever heard of our little programming language...
"Ruby -- now with mammalian protruberances!"
Strange; I'm pretty sure I was on ruby-talk before and during the initial
mascot proposals, but I'm not able to locate the initial "ruby-chan"
proposal message in my archives.
Here's an early post that mentions the ruby manga character as having been illustrated by a Japanese rubyist (which jibes with
memory)... but goes on to propose a Ruby Crowned Kinglet instead:
it is just a
i'm a graphic designer. 
it is just a
