David A. Black wrote:
Hi --
Ruby has no mascot, and I hope it stays that way.
Ruby has _why, ergo no need for a mascot!
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A mascot for a grown-up programming language has a version which is nude???
*gasp* Nudity! That could never be art...
Or a logo...
I'm glad this mascot isn't widely acknowledged as it
is not only irrelevant to ruby, it's also quite childish.
Well, hey, one more:
And, of course, some variations:
http://www.cafepress.com/wxpython
Quite childish, and somewhat less to do with the origin of the name (which is
Monty Python, not actual pythons).
I would hope that if Ruby did officially adopt a mascot it would be much
more suited to it's task.
Well, again -- see Starbucks.
I'm not really sure how you would make a logo relevant, here.
At the end of the day, Ruby is about making programming easier, and about
making the computer work for you. I honestly have trouble figuring out how to
put that into a logo -- a robot in a maid uniform? A happy person sitting at
a computer?
Some of the better-known logos in software
have NOTHING to do with their projects, either in name or in content.
At least ruby-chan has red hair! And she looks pretty -- Ruby is also about
beautiful code. Could be argued that it's about sexy code, but I'll say no
more about that.
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. I like Ruby-chan, but I also see value in
not having a mascot.
I have no opinion either way, other than "Kawaii!"
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On Thursday 21 August 2008 15:56:14 Matt Harrison wrote:
Joost Diepenmaat wrote:
Still, ruby is 45 years younger than Lisp, and THEY don't have any
kind of standard mascot either: http://lisperati.com/logo.html
35 years, actually: Ruby celebrated its 15th birthday this year, Lisp
its 50th.
jwm
Regardless of whether or not I agree with that... you have a self-selection
problem.
The people who have formed the ruby community did so without the aid of a
mascot. So it's easy to see how the community as it exists now is one that
doesn't see the need for some avatar to represent the language - the
language is the language, and they love it for the reasons that they love
it, and that's that.
Attempting to force a community to adopt anything will do nothing but spin
tires. Especially if that community is spontaneous and decentralized, like
the ruby community is.
If a mascot ever does get adopted, I'd be willing to bet it'd be more of a
viral adoption than as part of a "let's sit around and pitch ideas for a
mascot" email thread.
--Tommy M.
http://www.duwanis.com
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <kathe.mayuresh@gmail.com>wrote:
What you find silly might now be silly to another, else there wouldn't
have been such a long discussion about a topic which was run through
before.A logo and a mascot are a few of the essential items to forming a
community, it helps to rally the members better.~Mayuresh
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 5:46 PM, MRH <mauriceroman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Aug 20, 3:13 am, Mayuresh Kathe <kathe.mayur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (SNIP)
>
> If Ruby needed a mascot it would have one by now. This attempting to
> force it to have one is a silly waste of time.
>
> (back to the code - which is what matters)
>
> MRH
>
>
* Law of triviality - Wikipedia
* Avoiding Common Pitfalls
* http://bikeshed.com/
Countdown to people arguing over whether this is a bikeshed or not
starts.... NOW! 10... 9... 8...
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On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 05:17 +0900, Todd Benson wrote:
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 7:16 AM, MRH <mauriceroman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Aug 20, 3:13 am, Mayuresh Kathe <kathe.mayur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (SNIP)
>
> If Ruby needed a mascot it would have one by now. This attempting to
> force it to have one is a silly waste of time.
>
> (back to the code - which is what matters)You obviously haven't studied marketing/branding. To hope that the
ability of a program/OS/library stands on its own is only partly true.
Exposure is best for everyone in the long run, and the picture of a
"ruby" cut gem doesn't cut it. It shines but is ultimately inanimate.If you only want to attract intellectuals, then by all means, omit any
kind of mascot/branding. I'm fine with that.I can foresee a problem with a cute female mascot, simply from other
programming camps (hey, look!
"picture_of_ruby-chan_cheerleader_upskirt.png") proliferated on python
lists to point out naivety and an exposure type nature. Now, you
could apply this ploy with pretty much anything, but the whole cutesy
girl thing makes that chance easy (pun intended?)I don't want to go into other things of what a python could do with
ruby-chan exemplified in manga comics to make the Ruby language seem
inferior.I did like the idea of the raccoon though. But, then you could
scandalously destroy that one, too, with a simple cartoon of a raccoon
reaching for a shiny ruby in a hand trap. Apparently, the real life
raccoon has a hard time letting go of something. Fist gets big, won't
let go, and barbs in the trap pointing into the trap hole depths
capture the critter, because among it's kind, stubbornness abounds.
Analogy: programming freedom sought, but lost in the end via a simple
trap. You can see that argument coming from a mile away.I don't like the sound of that now that I think about it.
Meerkats, anyone? j/k
Todd
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States. (Lawrence Lessig)
What you find silly might now be silly to another, else there wouldn't
have been such a long discussion about a topic which was run through
before.
Most posts are not in favor of a mascot from what I have read of this
thread. This is probably why there isn't one to begin with - and I
hope it stays that way.
A logo and a mascot are a few of the essential items to forming a
community,
Funny, that an essential item has been missing all these years yet
there are and have been many Ruby communities in existence at this
very moment.
it helps to rally the members better.
???
Last time I checked, Ruby was a programming language, and the members
of its community were bound by their use of the language, not by
whether or not a cartoon mascot existed.
I can think of no programmer worth his salt who would need a cartoon
mascot to "rally" with others in a "better" fashion.
This is about the code.
Which is why a great graphic designer could come up with something that works well in both worlds. It's possible, but you wouldn't want someone from either side making something that only works for their side of the world.
I'm with the mascot crowd here. I'm a big fan of ruby, but it's much harder to get attached to a symbol like the ruby. Personifying ANY language with a mascot makes it more fun. 
Plus, stuffed animals for the kids.
- Clinton
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-----Original Message-----
From: hramrach@gmail.com [mailto:hramrach@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Michal Suchanek
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:07 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: A Mascot...
On 20/08/2008, Mayuresh Kathe <kathe.mayuresh@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
>
>> It occurred to me that while Ruby probably has a logo (the ruby gem
>> itself) it doesn't have a mascot.
>
> Yay! Another reason Ruby Rules!!!
From the last discussion on this topic I got the impression that the
reason for this is very pragmatic: there is little hope that a mascot
that appeals to both Asian people and Western people could be found.
Looking, for example, at the Chinese Olympics merchandise I guess I
can understand some of the reasons behind this disagreement.
Thanks
Michal
+1 for Ruby never having a mascot.
Alarm bells have started to ring.
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On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@path.berkeley.edu>wrote:
David A. Black wrote:
Ruby has no mascot, and I hope it stays that way.
Let's not forget the snail fiasco
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/21962
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Snailgate.
David
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Joel VanderWerf wrote:
David A. Black wrote:
Ruby has no mascot, and I hope it stays that way.
Let's not forget the snail fiasco
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/21962
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Hi --
A mascot for a grown-up programming language has a version which is nude???
*gasp* Nudity! That could never be art...
David (Michelangelo) - Wikipedia
Venus de Milo - WikipediaOr a logo...
How the Starbucks Siren Became Less Naughty – Dead Programmer's Cafe
Starbucks isn't my role model as a Rubyist (or in any other respect).
At least ruby-chan has red hair! And she looks pretty -- Ruby is also about
beautiful code. Could be argued that it's about sexy code, but I'll say no
more about that.
A human female is not an appropriate choice for a "mascot." Here's
what I wrote about it more than seven years ago, when this alarming
suggestion first reared its head:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/14209
David
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, David Masover wrote:
On Thursday 21 August 2008 15:56:14 Matt Harrison wrote:
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Actually, didn't _why create this duck to be a ruby mascot?
http://redhanded.hobix.com/images/redhanded-duck.gif
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On Aug 21, 8:26 pm, Joshua Ballanco <jball...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ruby has _why, ergo no need for a mascot!
Jörg W Mittag <JoergWMittag+Usenet@GoogleMail.Com> writes:
Joost Diepenmaat wrote:
Still, ruby is 45 years younger than Lisp, and THEY don't have any
kind of standard mascot either: http://lisperati.com/logo.html35 years, actually: Ruby celebrated its 15th birthday this year, Lisp
its 50th.
You're right, of course.
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Tommy Morgan wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I agree with that... you have a self-selection
problem.
The people who have formed the ruby community did so without the aid of a
mascot.
Well, there is no *one* Ruby community; there are many. And some (possibly large) number of Rubyists have abandoned ruby-talk, so the thread here is hardly indicative of what Rubyists as a whole think of a mascot. (BTW, this thread is a good example of why people are leaving this mailing list. Sad to say.) But I am unaware of any Ruby community that has a mascot, and things seems to be thriving.
So it's easy to see how the community as it exists now is one that
doesn't see the need for some avatar to represent the language - the
language is the language, and they love it for the reasons that they love
it, and that's that.
Attempting to force a community to adopt anything will do nothing but spin
tires. Especially if that community is spontaneous and decentralized, like
the ruby community is.
I imagine that if some Ruby community really wants their own mascot they will just go adopt one. Some others will giggle.
If a mascot ever does get adopted, I'd be willing to bet it'd be more of a
viral adoption than as part of a "let's sit around and pitch ideas for a
mascot" email thread.
Exactly. Doing beats asking. But be careful what you wish for.
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What you find silly might now be silly to another, else there wouldn't
have been such a long discussion about a topic which was run through
before.Most posts are not in favor of a mascot from what I have read of this
thread. This is probably why there isn't one to begin with - and I
hope it stays that way.A logo and a mascot are a few of the essential items to forming a
community,Funny, that an essential item has been missing all these years yet
there are and have been many Ruby communities in existence at this
very moment.it helps to rally the members better.
???
Last time I checked, Ruby was a programming language, and the members
of its community were bound by their use of the language, not by
whether or not a cartoon mascot existed.
Going by your logic, even the logo is irrelevant, but it was an effort
supported by Matz himself.
I can think of no programmer worth his salt who would need a cartoon
mascot to "rally" with others in a "better" fashion.
Then why does every "major" programming effort have a mascot/logo?
FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Linux, Darwin, Minix3, Python, Apache, ...
Its good to be a programmer, but its important to be a programmer having taste.
~Mayuresh
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM, MRH <mauriceroman@gmail.com> wrote:
Clinton, what's your opinion about http://www.hexley.com/
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Clinton D. Judy <cdj@goh-inc.com> wrote:
Which is why a great graphic designer could come up with something that works well in both worlds. It's possible, but you wouldn't want someone from either side making something that only works for their side of the world.
I'm with the mascot crowd here. I'm a big fan of ruby, but it's much harder to get attached to a symbol like the ruby. Personifying ANY language with a mascot makes it more fun.
Plus, stuffed animals for the kids.
- Clinton
-----Original Message-----
From: hramrach@gmail.com [mailto:hramrach@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Michal Suchanek
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:07 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: A Mascot...On 20/08/2008, Mayuresh Kathe <kathe.mayuresh@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
>
>> It occurred to me that while Ruby probably has a logo (the ruby gem
>> itself) it doesn't have a mascot.
>
> Yay! Another reason Ruby Rules!!!
From the last discussion on this topic I got the impression that the
reason for this is very pragmatic: there is little hope that a mascot
that appeals to both Asian people and Western people could be found.Looking, for example, at the Chinese Olympics merchandise I guess I
can understand some of the reasons behind this disagreement.Thanks
Michal
I like it! :D, but If you haven´t read all post before please do it,
There are many position in the discussion:
1. Ruby doesn't need mascot.
2. Mascot must be male.
3. Ruby already have one ( an pretty manga-girl, with a nude version! cool,
isn´t it?).
4. It must be Human or Animal
5. Matz must decide
6. ....
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2008/8/22 Karl von Laudermann <doodpants@mailinator.com>
On Aug 21, 8:26 pm, Joshua Ballanco <jball...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ruby has _why, ergo no need for a mascot!Actually, didn't _why create this duck to be a ruby mascot?
http://redhanded.hobix.com/images/redhanded-duck.gif--
Pablo Q.
you are right.. there are too many people just talking about the nude
girl...
any way.. i don't like the manga girl for two reasons: if you put red
hair manga girl on google you get 160.000 images, where almost there are
50.000 diferent girls... what i'm saying is that it's not original at
all...
is not like the pinguin of linux, may there be a lot of pinguin drawings
but tux is tux...all manga characters (well almost all of them) only
diference for their hair...
an other thing is that the mascot should be EASY TO MAKE... that's why
you don't see a full painted and drawed super hero as a logo, maybe
there are their siluete, simple lines or representative things but not a
complete person.
The ruby girl could be as a Special character for ruby (like a tutorial
guide or inviting ruby things) and a mascot (for general porpuse, like
identiti, simbol, mark, etc...)
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Tommy Morgan wrote:
Regardless of whether or not I agree with that... you have a
self-selection
problem.
The people who have formed the ruby community did so without the aid of a
mascot.Well, there is no *one* Ruby community; there are many. And some (possibly
large) number of Rubyists have abandoned ruby-talk, so the thread here is
hardly indicative of what Rubyists as a whole think of a mascot. (BTW,
this thread is a good example of why people are leaving this mailing list.
Sad to say.) But I am unaware of any Ruby community that has a mascot,
and things seems to be thriving.
True, that's what I meant. Since no community (either the community at
large, or a sub-community) seems to have a mascot, it's a safe assumption
that a mascot isn't a huge draw for the people who are already using the
language.
So it's easy to see how the community as it exists now is one that
doesn't see the need for some avatar to represent the language - the
language is the language, and they love it for the reasons that they love
it, and that's that.
Attempting to force a community to adopt anything will do nothing but spin
tires. Especially if that community is spontaneous and decentralized, like
the ruby community is.I imagine that if some Ruby community really wants their own mascot they
will just go adopt one. Some others will giggle.
True, but the point of this thread seems to be "let's make an official
mascot." I don't think that's something that can really be done
declaratively (unless Matz feels like it, but I get the impression that he
has other things he'd rather be doing at the moment 
).
If a mascot ever does get adopted, I'd be willing to bet it'd be more of a
viral adoption than as part of a "let's sit around and pitch ideas for a
mascot" email thread.Exactly. Doing beats asking. But be careful what you wish for.
Oh, I'm not wishing, trust me
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:37 PM, James Britt <james.britt@gmail.com> wrote:
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Starbucks is massively popular, despite being as expensive as they are.
They also have a habit of building insane amounts of brand loyalty -- an
oft-cited example (that I still can't verify) is the guy who went on a coffee
run for his office, and dropped the tray (spilling all the coffee) on his way
back.
So, the girl at the counter noticed him ordering the exact same thing, again,
and asked why -- found out he'd dropped the tray -- and gave him the order
free.
I'd say that's something to respect -- either in the actual
brand-loyalty-building genius, or the sheer viral marketing genius if the
story isn't real.
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On Friday 22 August 2008 06:41:24 David A. Black wrote:
> How the Starbucks Siren Became Less Naughty – Dead Programmer's Cafe
Starbucks isn't my role model as a Rubyist (or in any other respect).