Bullshit. Everybody is free to buy the goods. If they can't afford it:
Tough luck. I can't afford a Ferrari, yet I'm not stealing one.
Oh man, now this is just sad! To you a book is mere merchandise, to
millions of people is knowledge, power, opportunity. A big compendium of
wisdom that is to be valued and cherish, above the mighty (haha!) dollar
and those who worship it. A Ferrari? Why the hell would somebody want to
support a Ferrari that is the equivalent of thousands of invaluable
books! Not all authors are money grabbing whores, some actually care
that their knowledge is spread
Before you start trolling, at least do a *little* research. This is
insulting to the list's members
Yeah, clearly I'm the one who is deluded here.
Still despite you, I choose to believe in mankind. Oh and I did get
economy lessons, I actually passed 101 with 100%, not that it matters
though, because clearly not everybody learns, there's more to the real
world than a classroom and a book you know.
You better stick to technical questions my Kapitalist-Jugend.
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Phillip Gawlowski
Bullshit. Everybody is free to buy the goods. If they can't afford it:
Tough luck. I can't afford a Ferrari, yet I'm not stealing one.
The problem is that here in Peru and most of South America, almost
nobody can spend 45$ on a book and education really sucks. So I guess
you suggest that people should just keep there 'integrity'. 'Honor'
and 'Fairness' by not downloading books and stay ignorant?
Zimbabwe, Cuba, North Korea.. The leaders creating the poverty sure seem
incompetent.
Ok so because leaders are incompetent I should just wait for democracy
to come one day and stay ignorant in the meantime? That's weird.
You are dealing with people, Patrick, who build up a huge head of
righteous indignation while forgetting that the USA, at the turn of the
20th century, didn't respect foreign copyright. "Intellectual property
protection" only started becoming an issue in the USA when they had some
worth protecting. Now they don't want any other countries to use the
same techniques they did to bootstrap.
But really, copyright is off-topic I would suspect. We should probably
continue this discussion off-list.
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On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 12:27 +0900, Patrick Aljord wrote:
Ok so because leaders are incompetent I should just wait for democracy
to come one day and stay ignorant in the meantime? That's weird.
--
Michael T. Richter <ttmrichter@gmail.com> (GoogleTalk:
ttmrichter@gmail.com)
There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make
it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way
is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies.
(Charles Hoare)
Ok so because leaders are incompetent I should just wait for democracy
to come one day and stay ignorant in the meantime? That's weird.
You are dealing with people, Patrick, who build up a huge head of righteous indignation while forgetting that the USA, at the turn of the 20th century, didn't respect foreign copyright. "Intellectual property protection" only started becoming an issue in the USA when they had some worth protecting. Now they don't want any other countries to use the same techniques they did to bootstrap.
But really, copyright is off-topic I would suspect. We should probably continue this discussion off-list.
Yes it is, but I can't resist the temptation anymore. You can draw a parallel with programming here.
Most of us working in non-web, coprorate environments find that getting Ruby accepted in projects is usually a very hard cause. Some of us actualy ignore tool/development guidelines and get the job done - usually being 3 times faster and achieving milestones within time and budget constraints exonarates my sins.
It's (r)evolution from the inside. I've been working and talking about Ruby within my own company for over 5 years now. At first I was deemed graphical and I am still the target of puns and diggs, but suddenly I am only one of very few (like 3 in 300) who didn't fall asleep during the long dictatorship of statically typed languages at work.
So while I will not condone pirating books for anyone having access to them (and by that meaning having the money or not being prevented to buy them), I can also cannot hide the fact that when I was a penniless student in the backwaters of Greece in the early 90s I pirated like crazy (think xerox copies not PDFs): It's what's enabled me to pay for books now.
Knowledge is a very powerful thing. You keep it from people and their ignorance makes them selfish, irresponsible and greedy. Educated people won't usually in good conscience pirate a book (music and movies are a different thing I imagine - mostly to do with the tyranny of distribution networks). They will come back and pay for it (yes, yes, generic labeling and aphorisms here). So I say educate them and yourself, and when anybody wants to prevent you (by setting development guidelines, ridiculous import taxes or outright banning deviant texts) go around them any way you can.
V.-
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On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 12:27 +0900, Patrick Aljord wrote: