I wish Ruby had Python’s use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I
wouldn’t see all these lines that simply say “end” or “}”.
Jon
I rather prefer having a clear delimiter like “end”. I don’t like
Pytnon’s method. It looks like blocks are just “dangling”. I think that
“end” adds readability. I like “end” better than “}”, so that’s a plus
for Ruby in my book. Even when I write blocks, I use do…end instead of
{…} (except for one-liners).
I also like flexible syntax:
- iterator { some block }
- puts “hello” if condition
- def twice() yield; yield; end
These are lost by Python’s syntax. I think that flexibility is worth the
price of an “end”. But then again, I also think that “end” is a good
thing on itself.
Though I guess you can argue that Python does support the “end” feature if
you want:
if (condition): #do
print “He he he”
#end
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:19:22AM +0900, Jonathan Aquino wrote:
I wish Ruby had Python’s use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I
wouldn’t see all these lines that simply say “end” or “}”.Jon
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- Jonathan Aquino Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca [Aug, 18 2003 00:20]:
I wish Ruby had Python’s use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I
wouldn’t see all these lines that simply say “end” or “}”.
I wish Pythan had Ruby’s use of delimiters to indicate blocks. Then I
wouldn’t see all these lines that simply seem to lack structure.
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Hi,
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In message “Wish: Python-style indenting” on 03/08/18, Jonathan Aquino Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca writes:
I wish Ruby had Python’s use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I
wouldn’t see all these lines that simply say “end” or “}”.
You are free to wish, but the change makes Ruby no longer Ruby. 
Ruby is a open source language, you can hack its syntax, and see how
well it goes by yourself.
matz.
Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca (Jonathan Aquino) writes:
I wish Ruby had Python’s use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I
wouldn’t see all these lines that simply say “end” or “}”.
Check the archives through Google or www.ruby-talk.org. IIRC, an
Emacs module was posted some time ago that lets you do that.
Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca (Jonathan Aquino) wrote:
I wish Ruby had Python’s use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I
wouldn’t see all these lines that simply say “end” or “}”.
I can happily say after tutoring a 3rd year university Python course and
using Ruby in my spare time, I’d go the Ruby-way! I made this decision
only after a painfully long hard stare at a piece of malfunctioning
Python code written by one of my top students – the problem was a
single level of indentation and it was difficult to spot, even though
we’d tracked it down to a 10-line method! Gah! >:\
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I also like flexible syntax:
- iterator { some block }
- puts “hello” if condition
- def twice() yield; yield; end
Definately don’t forget this:
array.map do |e|
“foo” << e << “foo”
end.sort
You can’t chain onto the end of a block easily without a delimiter.
Ari
Daniel Carrera graced us by uttering:
I also like flexible syntax:
- iterator { some block }
for item in iterator: some(statements); separated; by(semicolons)
- puts “hello” if condition
if condition: print "hello"
(This doesn’t really seem to be an issue of declaring blocks,
but…)
- def twice() yield; yield; end
While the yield operator might function quite differently in
Python, function definition remains fairly similar:
def twice(): somefunc(); a_keyword; a_func()
FWIW,
Tim Hammerquist
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I think it’s this code:
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On Monday 18 August 2003 13:20, Massimiliano Mirra - bard wrote:
Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca (Jonathan Aquino) writes:
I wish Ruby had Python’s use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then
I wouldn’t see all these lines that simply say “end” or “}”.Check the archives through Google or www.ruby-talk.org. IIRC, an
Emacs module was posted some time ago that lets you do that.
We could call it PyRuby The best of both worlds.
Jon
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Hi,
In message “Wish: Python-style indenting” > on 03/08/18, Jonathan Aquino Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca writes:
I wish Ruby had Python’s use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I
wouldn’t see all these lines that simply say “end” or “}”.You are free to wish, but the change makes Ruby no longer Ruby.
Ruby is a open source language, you can hack its syntax, and see how
well it goes by yourself.matz.
Thank you for that post. This is a good thing to know. I also teach at
university and I hope to incorporate Ruby some day. So your experience is
valuable.
Do you have that piece of code handy? It would be good to see that
example.
Yes, I do prefer Ruby’s way. The “end” does not make the code any uglier,
and it does remove some ambiguity from the code (I think).
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On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 10:10:25AM +0900, Greg McIntyre wrote:
Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca (Jonathan Aquino) wrote:
I wish Ruby had Python’s use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I
wouldn’t see all these lines that simply say “end” or “}”.I can happily say after tutoring a 3rd year university Python course and
using Ruby in my spare time, I’d go the Ruby-way! I made this decision
only after a painfully long hard stare at a piece of malfunctioning
Python code written by one of my top students – the problem was a
single level of indentation and it was difficult to spot, even though
we’d tracked it down to a 10-line method! Gah! >:\
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Pythonistas would see that as bad style anyway.
Gavin
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On Monday, August 18, 2003, 8:35:30 AM, Aredridel wrote:
I also like flexible syntax:
- iterator { some block }
- puts “hello” if condition
- def twice() yield; yield; end
Definately don’t forget this:
array.map do |e|
“foo” << e << “foo”
end.sort
You can’t chain onto the end of a block easily without a delimiter.
Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca (Jonathan Aquino) writes:
We could call it PyRuby
How about Pyby? Or Ruthon?
frank
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Yes, because [“foo” + e + “foo” for e in array] is much more readable,
especially in a code otherwise written with an OO paradigm. Ugh.
(I realize that’s not equivalent, but, I don’t know how to do
non-in-place sorting in Python (well, without writing my own qsort
function.). But it gets my point across.)
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On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 19:54, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
On Monday, August 18, 2003, 8:35:30 AM, Aredridel wrote:
Definately don’t forget this:
array.map do |e|
“foo” << e << “foo”
end.sortYou can’t chain onto the end of a block easily without a delimiter.
Pythonistas would see that as bad style anyway.
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martin
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Frank Schmitt frank.schmitt@4sc.com wrote:
Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca (Jonathan Aquino) writes:
We could call it PyRuby
How about Pyby? Or Ruthon?
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Frank Schmitt frank.schmitt@4sc.com wrote:
Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca (Jonathan Aquino) writes:
We could call it PyRuby
How about Pyby? Or Ruthon?
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martin
Hey, I think there’s starting to be some serious interest here in
something we’ll call Coralsnake – a Ruby-Python hybrid. It will end
the Ruby-Python debate by combining the two. It follows the Japanese
idea of “kaizen” (continuous improvement). (Maybe “Ruthon” is
clearer…).
Parrot should cut that particular Gordian knot, no? I think the ideal
situation would be where we can call python code without needing to
change ruby (though I’d love to see native list comprehensions and
non-continuation-based generators :))
martin
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Jonathan Aquino Jon_Aquino@shaw.ca wrote:
Hey, I think there’s starting to be some serious interest here in
something we’ll call Coralsnake – a Ruby-Python hybrid. It will end
the Ruby-Python debate by combining the two. It follows the Japanese
idea of “kaizen” (continuous improvement). (Maybe “Ruthon” is
clearer…).