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why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx
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Arie Kusuma Atmaja wrote:
http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=167
why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx
The source for Ruby 1.8.4 was released less than 24 hours ago.
An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the binaries for the one-click. This takes time and effort.
Curt Hibbs is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.
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Arie Kusuma Atmaja ha scritto:
http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=167
why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx
please notice that even if it is not a one-click installer you can get a win32 version of ruby from here:
http://www.garbagecollect.jp/ruby/mswin32/en/download/release.html
It does not include many of the goodies that are available with the one-click-installer, such as fxruby,scite or programming ruby in chm format, but it works fine (except for readline).
Oh well, thanks to all the people providing ruby builds for us poor win32 users 
Thanks, James.
The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself). All of these have to be updated to
the latest versions, compiled, installed, and tested (some of these I
am not familiar with so I need to ave others test them for me).
All this takes time (and I still have a day job, too).
Thanks for your patience,
Curt
On 12/24/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
Arie Kusuma Atmaja wrote:
> http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=167
>
> why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thxThe source for Ruby 1.8.4 was released less than 24 hours ago.
An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the
binaries for the one-click. This takes time and effort.Curt Hibbs is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to
appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.
Yet Another Ruby for windows user is ActiveScriptRuby.
http://arton.hp.infoseek.co.jp/index.html
You can get ASR 1.8.4.1 now.
Regards,
Masayoshi 'Maki' Takahashi
2005/12/27, gabriele renzi <surrender_it@-remove-yahoo.it>:
Arie Kusuma Atmaja ha scritto:
> why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thxplease notice that even if it is not a one-click installer you can get a
win32 version of ruby from here:
http://www.garbagecollect.jp/ruby/mswin32/en/download/release.htmlIt does not include many of the goodies that are available with the
one-click-installer, such as fxruby,scite or programming ruby in chm
format, but it works fine (except for readline).
Curt Hibbs wrote:
Arie Kusuma Atmaja wrote:
http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=167
why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx
The source for Ruby 1.8.4 was released less than 24 hours ago.
An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the
binaries for the one-click. This takes time and effort.Curt Hibbs is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to
appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.Thanks, James.
The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself). All of these have to be updated to
the latest versions, compiled, installed, and tested (some of these I
am not familiar with so I need to ave others test them for me).All this takes time (and I still have a day job, too).
I think there's some confusion caused by the fact that so much cross-platform Free software nowadays includes a Windows binary as an intrinsic part of the release. When Firefox went to 1.5, or OpenOffice.org went to 2.01, there was a Windows installable waiting for everyone.
Since the One-Click Installer is /not/ an intrinsic part of the Ruby release, of course this doesn't happen.
On 12/24/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
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I wonder if you might be able to trim it back a bit. Perhaps survey your userbase and try to determine how much each extension is being used?
Or consider doing Min and Max versions?
--Steve
[Personally, I just want ruby, rubygems, and docs]
On Dec 26, 2005, at 12:06 AM, Curt Hibbs wrote:
The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself).
But, except for the Tk/Fox stuff, is it possible to drop it in to an
existing Windows 1.8.2.x installation and have things work hunkydory?
On 12/26/05, Curt Hibbs <ml.chibbs@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/24/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
> Arie Kusuma Atmaja wrote:
> > http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=167
> >
> > why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx
>
> The source for Ruby 1.8.4 was released less than 24 hours ago.
>
> An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the
> binaries for the one-click. This takes time and effort.
>
> Curt Hibbs is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
> very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to
> appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.Thanks, James.
The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself). All of these have to be updated to
the latest versions, compiled, installed, and tested (some of these I
am not familiar with so I need to ave others test them for me).All this takes time (and I still have a day job, too).
Thanks for your patience,
Curt
John W. Kennedy wrote:
Curt Hibbs wrote:
Arie Kusuma Atmaja wrote:
http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=167
why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx
The source for Ruby 1.8.4 was released less than 24 hours ago.
An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the
binaries for the one-click. This takes time and effort.Curt Hibbs is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to
appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.Thanks, James.
The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself). All of these have to be updated to
the latest versions, compiled, installed, and tested (some of these I
am not familiar with so I need to ave others test them for me).All this takes time (and I still have a day job, too).
I think there's some confusion caused by the fact that so much cross-platform Free software nowadays includes a Windows binary as an intrinsic part of the release. When Firefox went to 1.5, or OpenOffice.org went to 2.01, there was a Windows installable waiting for everyone.
Since the One-Click Installer is /not/ an intrinsic part of the Ruby release, of course this doesn't happen.
A rational request from a simple user: "where is the 1.8.4 win-one-click-installer?"
status:
explanations from the community:
* the 1.8.4 release was just befort 24h
* build-test-packaging process is not automated
* the build-manager has dependencies to external testers
* this installer is _not_ an intrinsic part of Ruby
On 12/24/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
-
Possible Solutions:
a) provide an automation for build-test-packaging
b) reduce complexity of packaging process (simplify distribution)
c) convince 3rd party to provide distribution
ActiveState has introduced Ruby into it's Komodo IDE,
http://activestate.com/ruby.plex
and should be intrested to provide a distribution (ActiveRuby), similar to those for other languages, e.g. Python:
[CC to ActiveState]
-
TAG.ruby.evolution.distribution
..
It might not be too difficult to include options of including or excluding
extensions in the installer, even though I love the previous installer. 
Sung Soo
On 12/29/05, Stephen Waits <steve@waits.net> wrote:
On Dec 26, 2005, at 12:06 AM, Curt Hibbs wrote:
> The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
> addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself).I wonder if you might be able to trim it back a bit. Perhaps survey
your userbase and try to determine how much each extension is being
used?Or consider doing Min and Max versions?
--Steve
[Personally, I just want ruby, rubygems, and docs]
Sung Soo Kim wrote:
It might not be too difficult to include options of including or excluding
extensions in the installer, even though I love the previous installer.
Examples of how to do this are welcome.
James
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Basically the various extensions need to be split out into named
SubSections in the ruby.nsi file, and the 'components' page should be
flagged for display.
If it would help, I can make these changes and submit a patch against the trunk.
I maintain an NSI-based installer that does a lot of conditional work,
so I'm comfortable with the syntax.
--Wilson.
On 12/29/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
Sung Soo Kim wrote:
> It might not be too difficult to include options of including or excluding
> extensions in the installer, even though I love the previous installer.Examples of how to do this are welcome.
I already do this for many/most of the extensions, but doing so
actually increases the work to prepare a new release, and does not
reduce it. the work required is not in the NSIS installer script, it
is in properly builging, including, and testing the extensions.
And to Stephen: I have been (and will continue) to cut back on
included extensions as RubyGems continues to pick up the slack.
Curt
On 12/29/05, Wilson Bilkovich <wilsonb@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/29/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
> Sung Soo Kim wrote:
> > It might not be too difficult to include options of including or excluding
> > extensions in the installer, even though I love the previous installer.
>
>
> Examples of how to do this are welcome.
>Basically the various extensions need to be split out into named
SubSections in the ruby.nsi file, and the 'components' page should be
flagged for display.
If it would help, I can make these changes and submit a patch against the trunk.I maintain an NSI-based installer that does a lot of conditional work,
so I'm comfortable with the syntax.--Wilson.
Thanks Curt, sounds great!
--Steve
On Dec 30, 2005, at 12:10 AM, Curt Hibbs wrote:
And to Stephen: I have been (and will continue) to cut back on
included extensions as RubyGems continues to pick up the slack.