I was looking for a list of what is to be fixed or added to version 1.9
and what is slated for Ruby 2.0.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
Thanks
···
--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Here's the latest summary, posted on Wednesday. It has pointers to other information.
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/197229
Or, if you prefer the forum: Ruby-dev summary 28637 - 28714 - Ruby - Ruby-Forum
Also, searching Google for ruby 1.9 yields some really good results. It should probably have been your first stop, to be honest.
matthew smillie.
···
On Jun 16, 2006, at 12:01, Reggie Mr wrote:
I was looking for a list of what is to be fixed or added to version 1.9
and what is slated for Ruby 2.0.Can someone point me in the right direction?
Mauricio Fernandez maintains a list of changes present in the Ruby 1.9 CVS.
http://eigenclass.org/hiki.rb?Changes+in+Ruby+1.9
Many of these will be present in Ruby 2.0, others are just experiments and
could be dropped at any time. Also check out Matz's slides from RubyConf
2005:
http://www.rubyist.net/~matz/slides/rc2005/mgp00006.html
Alex
···
On Friday 16 June 2006 12:01, Reggie Mr wrote:
I was looking for a list of what is to be fixed or added to version 1.9
and what is slated for Ruby 2.0.
Matthew Smillie wrote:
Also, searching Google for ruby 1.9 yields some really good results.
It should probably have been your first stop, to be honest.matthew smillie.
The first step should have been a link on the Ruby website, to be
honest.
Thanks
···
--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/\.
Surprisingly the Ruby website does not seem to be a good starting point for
that particular request, maybe I am just blind.
Cheers
Robert
···
On 6/16/06, Reggie Mr <buppcpp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Matthew Smillie wrote:
> Also, searching Google for ruby 1.9 yields some really good results.
> It should probably have been your first stop, to be honest.
>
> matthew smillie.The first step should have been a link on the Ruby website, to be
honest.Thanks
--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/\.
--
Deux choses sont infinies : l'univers et la bêtise humaine ; en ce qui
concerne l'univers, je n'en ai pas acquis la certitude absolue.
- Albert Einstein
Not really. 1.9 is a development test area. It's not for use in
production. As far as I know, it won't be released in the same sense
that 1.8 has.
Ruby 2.0 doesn't yet exist, so it doesn't make sense to have a link on
the Ruby home page to it.
-austin
···
On 6/16/06, Reggie Mr <buppcpp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Matthew Smillie wrote:
> Also, searching Google for ruby 1.9 yields some really good results.
> It should probably have been your first stop, to be honest.
The first step should have been a link on the Ruby website, to be
honest.
--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * http://www.halostatue.ca/
* austin@halostatue.ca * You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. // halo • statue
* austin@zieglers.ca
I feel often feel like ruby-lang.org is difficult to use. What I've seen of the new site looks like a big improvement, though. Looking forward to that.
-Mat
···
On Jun 16, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Robert Dober wrote:
On 6/16/06, Reggie Mr <buppcpp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Matthew Smillie wrote:
> Also, searching Google for ruby 1.9 yields some really good results.
> It should probably have been your first stop, to be honest.
>
> matthew smillie.The first step should have been a link on the Ruby website, to be
honest.Thanks
Surprisingly the Ruby website does not seem to be a good starting point for
that particular request, maybe I am just blind.
I think a good number of Ruby users (and prospective users) are
probably curious about where Ruby's been (brief history), where it is
(current major features), and where's it's going.
That "where it's going" item could include a little something about 1.9 and 2.0.
Maybe a quick "past, present, future" blurb could go here:
http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/about/ (where, what's currently on that
page could go into the "present" section).
---John
···
On 6/16/06, Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/16/06, Reggie Mr <buppcpp@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Matthew Smillie wrote:
> >
> > Also, searching Google for ruby 1.9 yields some really good results.
> > It should probably have been your first stop, to be honest.
>
> The first step should have been a link on the Ruby website, to be
> honest.Not really. 1.9 is a development test area. It's not for use in
production. As far as I know, it won't be released in the same sense
that 1.8 has.Ruby 2.0 doesn't yet exist, so it doesn't make sense to have a link on
the Ruby home page to it.
Of course it makes sense to know about the future of Ruby 
Everybody wants to get excited long before the production release.
And I am sorry to say this, but you guys should look at Microsoft, and the way they advertise with their CTP builds.
And many people, including me, are waiting for Rake.
Where should get the status of Rake ?
Is YARV the promised Rake ?
The development of Ruby should be a lot more open.
Austin Ziegler wrote:
···
On 6/16/06, Reggie Mr <buppcpp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Matthew Smillie wrote:
> Also, searching Google for ruby 1.9 yields some really good results.
> It should probably have been your first stop, to be honest.
The first step should have been a link on the Ruby website, to be
honest.Not really. 1.9 is a development test area. It's not for use in
production. As far as I know, it won't be released in the same sense
that 1.8 has.Ruby 2.0 doesn't yet exist, so it doesn't make sense to have a link on
the Ruby home page to it.-austin
It is my understanding that 1.9.1 will be a production release
according to _why: http://redhanded.hobix.com/cult/rubyKaigi2006.html
--- clip from blog ---
Matz announced his plan on the new stable release, Ruby 1.9.1, which
will be released at Christmas3 2007, with the Ruby 1.9.0 branch being
developed. He will keep on maintaining Ruby 1.8.x as well. If he has
to apply security patches, the forth version number (1.9.1.1, 1.9.1.x
…) would be possible. Ruby 1.9.1 will include local variables, M17N
and YARV inclusion2, not some functionalities that are supposed to
feature in Ruby 2.0 such as the new GC, classbox, selected namespace,
keyword arguments and method combination. This Ruby 1.9.1 might be
numbered as Ruby 2.0, though.
It is possible to put Rubygems into the standard libraries in Ruby
1.9.1, said Matz, and he needs to talk more with the Rubygems guys.
--- end blog clip ---
pth
···
On 6/16/06, Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:
Not really. 1.9 is a development test area. It's not for use in
production. As far as I know, it won't be released in the same sense
that 1.8 has.
I think you mean Rite. 
Rake is a released (and wonderful!) build
tool by Jim Weirich. It is a pure ruby replacement for the traditional
make tool.
Jacob Fugal
···
On 6/16/06, Alex Nedelcu <bonefry@gmail.com> wrote:
And many people, including me, are waiting for Rake.
Where should get the status of Rake ?
Is YARV the promised Rake ?
I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. Ruby is an open-source project with
open development. You can watch the 1.9 tree very easily; you can find
rcrchive.net just as easily. You can join ruby-core (where
non-Japanese development discussions happen). Ruby2 doesn't need
people advertising it -- the syntax is going to change. When that
happens, people will scream.
YARV *is* Rite (not Rake, which is completely separate from Ruby development).
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting really tired of
know-it-all newbies who really do think they know what Ruby needs when
they've barely written five lines in it.
-austin
···
On 6/16/06, Alex Nedelcu <bonefry@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course it makes sense to know about the future of Ruby
Everybody wants to get excited long before the production release.
And I am sorry to say this, but you guys should look at Microsoft, and
the way they advertise with their CTP builds.And many people, including me, are waiting for Rake.
Where should get the status of Rake ?
Is YARV the promised Rake ?The development of Ruby should be a lot more open.
--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * http://www.halostatue.ca/
* austin@halostatue.ca * You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. // halo • statue
* austin@zieglers.ca
Actually, it's a regular, open, free software project. You can
subscribe to the core dev mailing list ("ruby-core"), download the
source (see the license at http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/LICENSE.txt\),
and get involved any time. Enjoy!
Sidenote: you might consider reading up a bit more about a project
before giving advice about it being more open.
---John
···
On 6/16/06, Alex Nedelcu <bonefry@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
The development of Ruby should be a lot more open.
Me too. But it's a side effect of popularity. Maybe that'll provide a little silver lining
-Mat
···
On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Austin Ziegler wrote:
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting really tired of
know-it-all newbies who really do think they know what Ruby needs when
they've barely written five lines in it.
Austin Ziegler wrote:
I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. Ruby is an open-source project with
open development.
Really ?
Because from where I am standing, there is a huge gap between the development done in Japan, and the rest of the world.
YARV *is* Rite (not Rake, which is completely separate from Ruby development).
Yeah, I know what Rake is.
I'm just tired after 8 hours of work.
Sorry for the confusion.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting really tired of
know-it-all newbies who really do think they know what Ruby needs when
they've barely written five lines in it.
And I'm getting tired of gurus that get bitten by their arse whenever someone challenges their arrogance.
If my posts offend you, please ignore them.
···
On 6/16/06, Alex Nedelcu <bonefry@gmail.com> wrote:
I am sorry, but I meant something else.
Please excuse me, but English is not my native language.
What I meant was ... should have more publicity, because newbies
don't like searching miles of email messages on mailing lists to get the status of the project.
John Gabriele wrote:
···
On 6/16/06, Alex Nedelcu <bonefry@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
The development of Ruby should be a lot more open.
Actually, it's a regular, open, free software project. You can
subscribe to the core dev mailing list ("ruby-core"), download the
source (see the license at http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/LICENSE.txt\),
and get involved any time. Enjoy!Sidenote: you might consider reading up a bit more about a project
before giving advice about it being more open.---John
Because from where I am standing, there is a huge gap between the
development done in Japan, and the rest of the world.
Just learn japanese (it's a really nice language) and you'll be able to speak
with Japanese developpers.
Guy Decoux
That's why Google searches for them. Newbies only have to search through the top 10 hits for their google search.
-- Elliot Temple
···
On Jun 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Alex Nedelcu wrote:
I am sorry, but I meant something else.
Please excuse me, but English is not my native language.What I meant was ... should have more publicity, because newbies
don't like searching miles of email messages on mailing lists to get the status of the project.
I'm sorry, but that's not *my* problem. If Matz isn't ready to have
details about Ruby 2 on a webpage linked from Ruby-lang, then it's not
there. The status is that Ruby 2 isn't there yet. The *newest* status
suggests that there will be a production Ruby 1.9 as of Christmas
2007, but that is *very* new (this week, from the Japanese Ruby
conference).
It's pretty easy to find the information without searching miles of
email messages and without being asinine. It *still* doesn't belong on
the official Ruby webpage.
-austin
···
On 6/16/06, Alex Nedelcu <bonefry@gmail.com> wrote:
I am sorry, but I meant something else.
Please excuse me, but English is not my native language.What I meant was ... should have more publicity, because newbies
don't like searching miles of email messages on mailing lists to get the
status of the project.
--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * http://www.halostatue.ca/
* austin@halostatue.ca * You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. // halo • statue
* austin@zieglers.ca
That is amazing. You've taken RTFM to a whole new level. I like it.
···
On Jun 16, 2006, at 1:09 PM, ts wrote:
> Because from where I am standing, there is a huge gap between the
> development done in Japan, and the rest of the world.Just learn japanese (it's a really nice language) and you'll be able to speak
with Japanese developpers.Guy Decoux