So, I've been a long-term vim user. But I've heard about how emacs is
pretty good, and there's a vim-compatible mode in emacs (i tried using
standard emacs for a day, but my hands hurt so bad from pressing ctrl
so much).
Are there any Rubyists out there who use emacs in vim mode? Can you
post your configuration files so I can get syntax highlighting,
automatic indentation, etc? And how can I set up emacs to run a shell
command (i.e. 'ruby <current file>' or 'ruby unit_tests.rb' easily)?
I can't speak to the vimisms. Shell mode in emacs is really easy: M-x shell
In emacs-speak, that's "hold down the Alt key, and press the x key, type
'shell' and hit return.
You are now sitting at a shell.
···
On 8/26/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
So, I've been a long-term vim user. But I've heard about how emacs is
pretty good, and there's a vim-compatible mode in emacs (i tried using
standard emacs for a day, but my hands hurt so bad from pressing ctrl
so much).
Are there any Rubyists out there who use emacs in vim mode? Can you
post your configuration files so I can get syntax highlighting,
automatic indentation, etc? And how can I set up emacs to run a shell
command (i.e. 'ruby <current file>' or 'ruby unit_tests.rb' easily)?
So, I've been a long-term vim user. But I've heard about how emacs
is pretty good, and there's a vim-compatible mode in emacs
Don't believe those false rumors. Yes, there is viper-mode but it is
unusable to anyone relying on the advanced features of vi (leave alone
vim). Yes, unfortunately I know precisely what I am talking about
Nevertheless you can make Emacs 100% compatible: Simply use 'M-x
ansi-term' then 'vim ENTER'.
That actually is running vim inside a terminal emulation inside Emacs.
When people hear me say "Emacs is great. It only lacks a good editor."
they first think that is meant to be a funny remark. It is not. Emacs
is a great program I use for many tasks but when it comes to quite
advanced editing tasks I usually save the file, do the complex editing
in vim, then switch back to Emacs.
Note that customizing Emacs can help a lot. My favorite setting is:
(delete-selection-mode t)
Its effect is that a selection is replaced by the text that is entered
(or pasted). This is much handier than the original behavior.
Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT
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At Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:18:42 +0900, Joe Van Dyk wrote:
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The mode you are looking for is called Viper Mode.
M-x viper-mode.
Btw, remapping the Caps Lock key to Ctrl made the Emacs key bindings
much easier for me.
···
On 8/26/05, Kelly Felkins <railsinator@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't speak to the vimisms. Shell mode in emacs is really easy: M-x shell
In emacs-speak, that's "hold down the Alt key, and press the x key, type
'shell' and hit return.
You are now sitting at a shell.
On 8/26/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> So, I've been a long-term vim user. But I've heard about how emacs is
> pretty good, and there's a vim-compatible mode in emacs (i tried using
> standard emacs for a day, but my hands hurt so bad from pressing ctrl
> so much).
>
> Are there any Rubyists out there who use emacs in vim mode? Can you
> post your configuration files so I can get syntax highlighting,
> automatic indentation, etc? And how can I set up emacs to run a shell
> command (i.e. 'ruby <current file>' or 'ruby unit_tests.rb' easily)?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
>
I can't speak to the vimisms. Shell mode in emacs is really easy:
M-x shell
In emacs-speak, that's "hold down the Alt key, and press the x
key, type
'shell' and hit return.
You are now sitting at a shell.
If this is the sort of thing you're looking for then I have an
alternate solution. I was a hard-core emacs user who switched to
vim and the one major thing i missed was running a shell in my editor.
Then I found Ion (http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/\) as my
window manager for X. My productivity in everything shot up by
about 25% after i got used to it.
Of course, if you're in windows, maybe emacs is the way to go
Or, quite frankly, if you love emacs then good on ya. It's a great
editor.
Regs,
Derek
Kelly Felkins wrote:
Hi,
So, I've been a long-term vim user. But I've heard about how emacs is
pretty good, and there's a vim-compatible mode in emacs (i tried using
standard emacs for a day, but my hands hurt so bad from pressing ctrl
so much).
Are there any Rubyists out there who use emacs in vim mode? Can you
post your configuration files so I can get syntax highlighting,
automatic indentation, etc? And how can I set up emacs to run a shell
command (i.e. 'ruby <current file>' or 'ruby unit_tests.rb' easily)?
Thanks,
Joe
- --
Derek Wyatt - C++ / Ruby / Unix Programmer
···
On 8/26/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't speak to the vimisms. Shell mode in emacs is really easy: M-x shell
In emacs-speak, that's "hold down the Alt key, and press the x key, type
'shell' and hit return.
You are now sitting at a shell.
Thanks! What about syntax highlighting and Ruby indentation? (And
rhtml support would be nice)
Also, does emacs support stuff like this properly?
some_function argument_1,
argument_2,
argument_3 #cursor should not be here! #cursor should be here!
That's one of the things that bugged me with vim.
···
On 8/26/05, Kelly Felkins <railsinator@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> So, I've been a long-term vim user. But I've heard about how emacs is
> pretty good, and there's a vim-compatible mode in emacs (i tried using
> standard emacs for a day, but my hands hurt so bad from pressing ctrl
> so much).
>
> Are there any Rubyists out there who use emacs in vim mode? Can you
> post your configuration files so I can get syntax highlighting,
> automatic indentation, etc? And how can I set up emacs to run a shell
> command (i.e. 'ruby <current file>' or 'ruby unit_tests.rb' easily)?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
>
When people hear me say "Emacs is great. It only lacks a good editor."
they first think that is meant to be a funny remark. It is not. Emacs
is a great program I use for many tasks but when it comes to quite
advanced editing tasks I usually save the file, do the complex editing
in vim, then switch back to Emacs.
Hmm, I'm curious. Can you show me a sample task that made you switch
to vim?
(Although it doesn't work how you describe above. The arguments would
have to be contained in parentheses. Anything else would require a lot
more work (_a lot more_)),
nikolai
···
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On 8/26/05, Derek Wyatt <derek@derekwyatt.org> wrote:
If this is the sort of thing you're looking for then I have an
alternate solution. I was a hard-core emacs user who switched to
vim and the one major thing i missed was running a shell in my editor.
Hmm, I'm curious. Can you show me a sample task that made you switch
to vim?
I made the switch after being a 5 year Emacs die-hard. There were
two simple things that made me switch. I was doing "big" edits in
emacs and "small" edits in vim. I finally asked myself why i was
using 2 editors... i realized i only needed one. The second reason,
however was the very simple difference between the two: moded vs.
modeless operation. With moded operation, i get the "." operator.
That's really all i needed.
:%g/\[CRON\]/d deletes all (uninteresting) cron entries in my auth.log
:%g/Customer$/s/\([^ ]*\) \([^ ]*\)/&2, &1/g
.... give and take a few \ in front of parentheses ...
exchanges the first and second space delimited word in lines ending with Customer
Being able to record arbitrary command sequences like (not a real life example)
df.3j04 p (cut upto and including . and paste the deletion 3 lines down after column 4)
and of course my favourite vim application: vimoutliner (www.vimoutliner.org)
all of this without breaking my fingers because of the unlucky positioning of CTRL.
s.
···
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:37:54 +0900, Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@gmail.com> wrote:
Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT <jupp@gmx.de> writes:
When people hear me say "Emacs is great. It only lacks a good editor."
they first think that is meant to be a funny remark. It is not. Emacs
is a great program I use for many tasks but when it comes to quite
advanced editing tasks I usually save the file, do the complex editing
in vim, then switch back to Emacs.
Hmm, I'm curious. Can you show me a sample task that made you switch
to vim?
As far as I can tell, Nikolai, it *does* work without the parens.
-austin
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On 8/26/05, Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@rawuncut.elitemail.org> wrote:
(Although it doesn't work how you describe above. The arguments would
have to be contained in parentheses. Anything else would require a lot
more work (_a lot more_)),
nikolai
Great! If I want to use that, I'd put it in $HOME/.vim/indent? And
it'll be used automatically instead of the stock version?
···
On 8/26/05, Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@rawuncut.elitemail.org> wrote:
Joe Van Dyk wrote:
> Also, does emacs support stuff like this properly?
>
> some_function argument_1,
> argument_2,
> argument_3
> #cursor should not be here!
> #cursor should be here!
>
> That's one of the things that bugged me with vim.
(Although it doesn't work how you describe above. The arguments would
have to be contained in parentheses. Anything else would require a lot
more work (_a lot more_)),
nikolai
That's different. That starts a shell in a new window, or shells out.
The emacs shell -- one of the few things that I *do* like about emacs
-- essentially does a new pty on Unix, similar to what screen does.
-austin
···
On 8/26/05, Cam <cameron.matheson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/05, Derek Wyatt <derek@derekwyatt.org> wrote:
> If this is the sort of thing you're looking for then I have an
> alternate solution. I was a hard-core emacs user who switched to
> vim and the one major thing i missed was running a shell in my editor.
did ':shell' not work for you?
On 8/26/05, Derek Wyatt <derek@derekwyatt.org> wrote:
> If this is the sort of thing you're looking for then I have an
> alternate solution. I was a hard-core emacs user who switched to
> vim and the one major thing i missed was running a shell in my
> editor.
did ':shell' not work for you?
I hear good things about screen as well,
nikolai (full of irony)
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If this is the sort of thing you're looking for then I have an
alternate solution. I was a hard-core emacs user who switched to
vim and the one major thing i missed was running a shell in my editor.
did ':shell' not work for you?
Dont' get me wrong, i love vim and it's the greatest editor in the
history of the world, but umm... ":shell" sucks. Oh does it suck...
the vaccuum of space is envious of the amount that ":shell" can suck.
> > If this is the sort of thing you're looking for then I have an
> > alternate solution. I was a hard-core emacs user who switched to
> > vim and the one major thing i missed was running a shell in my
> > editor.
> did ':shell' not work for you?
Dont' get me wrong, i love vim and it's the greatest editor in the
history of the world, but umm... ":shell" sucks. Oh does it suck...
the vaccuum of space is envious of the amount that ":shell" can suck.
Well, that's really not Vim's fault. If you don't like what :shell
does, switch shells. Zsh is good, for one,
nikolai
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> Hmm, I'm curious. Can you show me a sample task that made you switch
> to vim?
I made the switch after being a 5 year Emacs die-hard. There were
two simple things that made me switch. I was doing "big" edits in
emacs and "small" edits in vim.
Same here. I touch configuration files mainly with vim, and code with
emacs.
I finally asked myself why i was
using 2 editors... i realized i only needed one. The second reason,
however was the very simple difference between the two: moded vs.
modeless operation. With moded operation, i get the "." operator.
That's really all i needed.
From the emacs docs:
C-x z runs the command repeat
Repeat most recently executed command.
This command is like the `.' command in the vi editor.
When people hear me say "Emacs is great. It only lacks a good editor."
they first think that is meant to be a funny remark. It is not. Emacs
is a great program I use for many tasks but when it comes to quite
advanced editing tasks I usually save the file, do the complex editing
in vim, then switch back to Emacs.
Hmm, I'm curious. Can you show me a sample task that made you switch
to vim?
The global command, for example:
:%g/\[CRON\]/d deletes all (uninteresting) cron entries in my auth.log
C-x h M-x flush-lines \[CRON\] RET
:%g/Customer$/s/\([^ ]*\) \([^ ]*\)/&2, &1/g
.... give and take a few \ in front of parentheses ...
exchanges the first and second space delimited word in lines ending with Customer
M-% ... RET ... !
Being able to record arbitrary command sequences like (not a real life example)
df.3j04 p (cut upto and including . and paste the deletion 3 lines down after column 4)
C-x ( M-z . M-3 C-n C-a M-4 C-f C-y C-x )
Execute with C-x e as often as you want, or bind it to a key of your
choice. (Untested, I just wrote down what I'd intuitively type.)
and of course my favourite vim application: vimoutliner (www.vimoutliner.org)
Ok, outliners. There are lots of them for Emacs but I admit I don't
really like any of them (I prefer org-mode). I know I tried
vimoutliner once, but I can't recall how it was... I think I was not
too impressed. I use OPML Editor for now when I need outlines.
all of this without breaking my fingers because of the unlucky
positioning of CTRL.
Just curious: How do you leave vim's input mode?
···
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:37:54 +0900, Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/26/05, Nikolai Weibull > <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@rawuncut.elitemail.org> wrote:
> (Although it doesn't work how you describe above. The arguments
> would have to be contained in parentheses. Anything else would
> require a lot more work (_a lot more_)),
> nikolai
As far as I can tell, Nikolai, it *does* work without the parens.
Ah, what I meant was that the continuation lines don't line up with the
first argument (i.e., after the function name). They do get a
'shiftwidth' indent, though,
nikolai
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