Chris Ross wrote:
I believe you missed his point. [I guess] His point was that CYGWIN is “bloody useless” when it comes to doing real windows programming as it is a set of unix apis ported to windows. If you want real programming you need VC or something of that ilk.
Yes, Chris, that’s it. Mingw is fine, and I use cygwin for unixy tools that I don’t have elsewhere and PalmOS cross-compiling. But I would NEVER use or suggest that someone else use Cygwin for anything designed to interoperate with other Windows programs or not on the command-line.
Emmanuel: yes, but he was being off-topic on this list.
Bollocks. Telling someone to use a non-standard and temperamental development toolset for their platform is inappropriate. It’s only slightly better than telling someone to stop using Windows and start using Linux.
There are, IMO, problems with the build assumptions for Ruby on Windows (it assumes that you’re using the same environment and toolset as the original builder; which is relatively safe on Unix). The answer is to improve the build process, not to recommend a tool change.
Bollocks. Telling someone to use a non-standard and temperamental
development toolset for their platform is inappropriate. It’s only slightly
better than telling someone to stop using Windows and start using Linux.
I fully agree with your view on cygwin and the inapropiateness of the
suggestion.
However, I would like to remind you that contrary to many other newsgroups,
it is possible discuss sensitive topics in comp.lang.ruby which would
immediately set off religion wars, flamings or worse in other groups.
The only way this can work is to politely accept other points of view and
possibly argue against these views in a polite manner.
We are not afraid to discuss strengths and weaknesses of Linux and Windows.
We often discuss other programming languages. I’d like to keep it that way.
Bollocks. Telling someone to use a non-standard and temperamental
development toolset for their platform is inappropriate. It’s only slightly
better than telling someone to stop using Windows and start using Linux.
I’m sorry I misunderstood you.
However, I would like to remind you that contrary to many other newsgroups,
it is possible discuss sensitive topics in comp.lang.ruby which would
immediately set off religion wars, flamings or worse in other groups.
Actually, I have been using Linux for quite a long time. I understand
why hackers love it. Unfortunately, I stopped using it. I think it is
not suitable (yet) for daily use (not as a server, but as desktop pc, eg.
word processing AND development – only personal view).
I always feel frustrated when I can’t compile a package. I think if the
authors can provide binary package (at least dual platform - linux and
windows), it may help much much more user to use it, and in turn will
help find out possible bugs in there package, make it stable/mature
quicker than current situation.