Speaking of I18N

ruby-talk
1

I don’t suppose anyone has implemented any
kind of interface to babelfish? Something
like

string2 = babelfish(string, from_lang, to_lang)

by any chance?

I realize the results it gives are crude.

Hal

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–
Hal Fulton
hal9000@hypermetrics.com

2

there is an example of this in soap4r, or
in soap4r one of the sample is this :slight_smile:

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il Wed, 2 Jul 2003 04:59:05 +0900, “Hal E. Fulton” hal9000@hypermetrics.com ha scritto::

I don’t suppose anyone has implemented any
kind of interface to babelfish? Something
like

string2 = babelfish(string, from_lang, to_lang)

by any chance?

3

Hal E. Fulton wrote:

I don’t suppose anyone has implemented any
kind of interface to babelfish? Something
like

string2 = babelfish(string, from_lang, to_lang)

by any chance?

I realize the results it gives are crude.

Hal

–
Hal Fulton
hal9000@hypermetrics.com

I did a screen-scraping one some time back. It was truly a
several-minute hack. I put it in RAA under the “Jokes” category, but I
don’t think it works anymore (since I depended on the HTML output of
babelfish for it to work). I should probably either fix it or remove
it, though I guess being under the Joke category, it’s not going to have
a huge impact on RAA’s credibility. :slight_smile:

I also had a method called “stupidize”, which would translate text to
and from a language, allowing it to suffer the often hilarious semantic
distortion that you get from Babelfish.

Chad

4

On the ‘ruby developers guide’, there is an exemple which do it

require ‘soap/driver’
…
result = driver.BabelFish(lang, input.read)

gabriele renzi wrote:

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il Wed, 2 Jul 2003 04:59:05 +0900, “Hal E. Fulton” >hal9000@hypermetrics.com ha scritto::

I don’t suppose anyone has implemented any
kind of interface to babelfish? Something
like

string2 = babelfish(string, from_lang, to_lang)

by any chance?

there is an example of this in soap4r, or
in soap4r one of the sample is this :slight_smile:

5

I don’t suppose anyone has implemented any
kind of interface to babelfish? Something
like

string2 = babelfish(string, from_lang, to_lang)

by any chance?

there is an example of this in soap4r, or
in soap4r one of the sample is this :slight_smile:

Thank you, I will look at that.

Hal

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----- Original Message -----
From: “gabriele renzi” surrender_it@rc1.vip.lng.yahoo.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking of I18N…

il Wed, 2 Jul 2003 04:59:05 +0900, “Hal E. Fulton” > hal9000@hypermetrics.com ha scritto::

–
Hal Fulton
hal9000@hypermetrics.com

6

That hilarious semantic distortion is also interesting
in a theoretical sense (to me, at least). I find myself
sometimes wondering if there might be a way to measure
the drift in meaning – I tend to think that a one-way
translation is probably only “half as garbled” (whatever
that means!) as a two-way one.

But if that’s true, it implies there must be some way
to quantify it – or else my thinking is just nonsense.
And then that raises issues like: If I translate something
from English to German and then back again, is more meaning
lost on the first leg of that trip or the second leg? Is it
different translating lang X to lang Y for different values
of X and Y? It would have to be, I think.

But I’ve wandered offtopic, as I do so well.

I’ll check out the SOAP4R thing.

Hal

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----- Original Message -----
From: “Chad Fowler” chadfowler@chadfowler.com
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking of I18N…

I did a screen-scraping one some time back. It was truly a
several-minute hack. I put it in RAA under the “Jokes” category, but I
don’t think it works anymore (since I depended on the HTML output of
babelfish for it to work). I should probably either fix it or remove
it, though I guess being under the Joke category, it’s not going to have
a huge impact on RAA’s credibility. :slight_smile:

I also had a method called “stupidize”, which would translate text to
and from a language, allowing it to suffer the often hilarious semantic
distortion that you get from Babelfish.

–
Hal Fulton
hal9000@hypermetrics.com

7

Well, the screen-scraper might be a lightweight option…
the one with soap4r works great, but I had to install:

  • soap4r
  • rexml
  • http-access2
  • devel-logger

And I’m not sure any of these work with raa-install. I thought
the first one was working… but I couldn’t find any of the
samples and such, unless I installed manually. And I had to do
them one at a time, since I could only discover dependencies
by the “run and crash” method.

Or to be fair, it might be in the docs. :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Is raa-install currently healthy? It’s supposed to be self-updating,
but “raa-install -i raa-install” doesn’t work for me.

Cheers,
Hal

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----- Original Message -----
From: “Chad Fowler” chadfowler@chadfowler.com
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking of I18N…

Hal E. Fulton wrote:

I don’t suppose anyone has implemented any
kind of interface to babelfish? Something
like

I did a screen-scraping one some time back. It was truly a
several-minute hack. I put it in RAA under the “Jokes” category, but I
don’t think it works anymore (since I depended on the HTML output of
babelfish for it to work). I should probably either fix it or remove
it, though I guess being under the Joke category, it’s not going to have
a huge impact on RAA’s credibility. :slight_smile:

–
Hal Fulton
hal9000@hypermetrics.com

8

I am having trouble tracking down the point at which my program is
failing. I have a backtrace that looks like this:

/usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:468:in new': wrong argument type nil (expected String) (TypeError) from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:468:inconnect’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:467:in timeout' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:467:inconnect’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:449:in initialize' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:149:innew’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:149:in
conn_socket' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/http.rb:499:indo_start’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:131:in start' ... 6 levels... from webcount.rb:556:ineach’
from webcount.rb:556:in wayback' from webcount.rb:703:indosite’
from webcount.rb:813

What I need to know are which lines of code are represented by “… 6
levels…”. Is there any way of stopping ruby from abbreviating the
backtrace like this?

(I’m using ruby 1.6.8 (2002-12-24) [powerpc-darwin6.6])

Thanks

Nigel

9

I should have known this… I have had that book
for a long time.

Thanks,
Hal

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----- Original Message -----
From: “Bermejo, Rodrigo” rodrigo.bermejo@ps.ge.com
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking of I18N…

On the ‘ruby developers guide’, there is an exemple which do it

require ‘soap/driver’
…
result = driver.BabelFish(lang, input.read)

–
Hal Fulton
hal9000@hypermetrics.com

10

It is the default exception handling in Ruby. You can always embrace your
program
in

begin
…
rescure Exception => exception
p exception.message
p exception.backtrace # or present it in any other way you like
end

Gennady

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----- Original Message -----
From: “Nigel Gilbert” n.gilbert@soc.surrey.ac.uk
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:43 PM
Subject: More error backtrace

I am having trouble tracking down the point at which my program is
failing. I have a backtrace that looks like this:

/usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:468:in new': wrong argument type nil (expected String) (TypeError) from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:468:in connect’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:467:in timeout' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:467:in connect’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:449:in initialize' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:149:in new’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:149:in
conn_socket' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/http.rb:499:in do_start’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:131:in start' ... 6 levels... from webcount.rb:556:in each’
from webcount.rb:556:in wayback' from webcount.rb:703:in dosite’
from webcount.rb:813

What I need to know are which lines of code are represented by “… 6
levels…”. Is there any way of stopping ruby from abbreviating the
backtrace like this?

(I’m using ruby 1.6.8 (2002-12-24) [powerpc-darwin6.6])

Thanks

Nigel

11

in eval.c:

#define TRACE_MAX (TRACE_HEAD+TRACE_TAIL+5)
#define TRACE_HEAD 8
#define TRACE_TAIL 5

So you could change those constants. But easier, wrap your code in something
like this:

begin
… do your code
rescue Exception => e
puts “#{e} (#{e.class})\n#{e.backtrace.join(”\n")}"
end

Regards,

Brian.

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On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:43:03AM +0900, Nigel Gilbert wrote:

What I need to know are which lines of code are represented by “… 6
levels…”. Is there any way of stopping ruby from abbreviating the
backtrace like this?

12

What I need to know are which lines of code are represented by “… 6
levels…”. Is there any way of stopping ruby from abbreviating the
backtrace like this?

You will need to catch ALL exceptions yourself… like this:

ruby x.rb
Fatal-Error in program!
please report this bug.
EXCEPTION:
RuntimeError
MESSAGE:
hello world
BACKTRACE:
x.rb:2

cat x.rb
begin
raise “hello world”
rescue Exception => e
puts <<MSG
Fatal-Error in program!
please report this bug.
EXCEPTION:
\t#{e.class.to_s}
MESSAGE:
\t#{e.message}
BACKTRACE:
#{e.backtrace.map{|t|“\t#{t}\n”}.join}
MSG
end

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On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 07:43:03 +0900, Nigel Gilbert wrote:

–
Simon Strandgaard

13

Not having seen your code, and therefore ignorant, why is the above not
sufficient to diagnose the problem?

Regards,

Mark Wilson

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On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 05:43 PM, Nigel Gilbert wrote:

I am having trouble tracking down the point at which my program is
failing. I have a backtrace that looks like this:

/usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:468:in new': wrong argument type nil (expected String) (TypeError) from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:468:in connect’
[snip]

14

Typo correction: rescure → rescue

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----- Original Message -----
From: “Gennady” gfb@tonesoft.com
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: More error backtrace

It is the default exception handling in Ruby. You can always embrace your
program
in

begin
…
rescure Exception => exception
p exception.message
p exception.backtrace # or present it in any other way you like
end

Gennady

----- Original Message -----
From: “Nigel Gilbert” n.gilbert@soc.surrey.ac.uk
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:43 PM
Subject: More error backtrace

I am having trouble tracking down the point at which my program is
failing. I have a backtrace that looks like this:

/usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:468:in new': wrong argument type nil (expected String) (TypeError) from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:468:in connect’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:467:in timeout' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:467:in connect’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:449:in
initialize' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:149:in new’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:149:in
conn_socket' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/http.rb:499:in do_start’
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/net/protocol.rb:131:in start' ... 6 levels... from webcount.rb:556:in each’
from webcount.rb:556:in wayback' from webcount.rb:703:in dosite’
from webcount.rb:813

What I need to know are which lines of code are represented by “… 6
levels…”. Is there any way of stopping ruby from abbreviating the
backtrace like this?

(I’m using ruby 1.6.8 (2002-12-24) [powerpc-darwin6.6])

Thanks

Nigel

15

I’ve been wondering for some time why it did this.

Just curious, what’s the rationale for truncating it?

-Tom

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On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 17:57, Brian Candler wrote:

On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:43:03AM +0900, Nigel Gilbert wrote:

What I need to know are which lines of code are represented by “… 6
levels…”. Is there any way of stopping ruby from abbreviating the
backtrace like this?

in eval.c:

#define TRACE_MAX (TRACE_HEAD+TRACE_TAIL+5)
#define TRACE_HEAD 8
#define TRACE_TAIL 5

So you could change those constants. But easier, wrap your code in something
like this:

begin
… do your code
rescue Exception => e
puts “#{e} (#{e.class})\n#{e.backtrace.join(”\n")}"
end

Regards,

Brian.

16

I always assumed it was to save space. Does it
do it when the levels are unique? I’ve personally
only seen it when there’s a recursion problem and
thus a stack overflow. In a case like that, there’s
no loss of information.

Hal

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----- Original Message -----
From: “Tom Clarke” tom@u2i.com
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: More error backtrace

I’ve been wondering for some time why it did this.

Just curious, what’s the rationale for truncating it?

–
Hal Fulton
hal9000@hypermetrics.com

-Tom

On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 17:57, Brian Candler wrote:

On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:43:03AM +0900, Nigel Gilbert wrote:

What I need to know are which lines of code are represented by “… 6
levels…”. Is there any way of stopping ruby from abbreviating the
backtrace like this?

in eval.c:

#define TRACE_MAX (TRACE_HEAD+TRACE_TAIL+5)
#define TRACE_HEAD 8
#define TRACE_TAIL 5

So you could change those constants. But easier, wrap your code in
something
like this:

begin
… do your code
rescue Exception => e
puts “#{e} (#{e.class})\n#{e.backtrace.join(”\n")}"
end

Regards,

Brian.

17

No, at least not in 1.6.8:

#define TRACE_MAX (TRACE_HEAD+TRACE_TAIL+5)
#define TRACE_HEAD 8
#define TRACE_TAIL 5

    ep = RARRAY(errat);
    for (i=1; i<ep->len; i++) {
        if (TYPE(ep->ptr[i]) == T_STRING) {
            fprintf(stderr, "\tfrom %s\n", RSTRING(ep->ptr[i])->ptr);
        }
        if (i == TRACE_HEAD && ep->len > TRACE_MAX) {
            fprintf(stderr, "\t ... %ld levels...\n",
                    ep->len - TRACE_HEAD - TRACE_TAIL);
            i = ep->len - TRACE_TAIL;
        }
    }
}

}

i.e. it shows just the first 8 lines and the last 5 lines.

Cheers,

Brian.

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On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 08:39:26AM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

Just curious, what’s the rationale for truncating it?

I always assumed it was to save space. Does it
do it when the levels are unique?