Rubygarden html madness

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wiki’rs-

i couldn’t figure out the rubygarden wiki for the longest time, then i
realized that the garbled mess i saw when i went to edit a page is not normal.
i get what appears to be a rendering multiple component atop of each other. i
see this behaviour on two version of redhat each with two different versions
of netscape, so i suspect i am not alone here… this is what it looks like :

http://eli.fsl.noaa.gov/wiki/

i looked at the html and it appears perfectly valid. stranger still, if i
download the html file and view it locally everything is fine! does anyone
have any ideas on this? i’d like to use the wiki more but it’s too painfull
at the moment.

-a

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Ara Howard
NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory
Information and Technology Services
Data Systems Group
R/FST 325 Broadway
Boulder, CO 80305-3328
Email: ahoward@fsl.noaa.gov
Phone: 303-497-7238
Fax: 303-497-7259
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i couldn’t figure out the rubygarden wiki for the longest time, then i
realized that the garbled mess i saw when i went to edit a page is not normal.
i get what appears to be a rendering multiple component atop of each other. i
see this behaviour on two version of redhat each with two different versions
of netscape, so i suspect i am not alone here… this is what it looks like :

http://eli.fsl.noaa.gov/wiki/

i looked at the html and it appears perfectly valid.

It probably is (see below)

stranger still, if i
download the html file and view it locally everything is fine! does anyone
have any ideas on this?

Most likely the strangeness is due to the site’s use of CSS, which Netscape 4.x
doesn’t handle very well (in fact, there are certain perfectly legal and straightforward
combinations of HTML and CSS that cause Netscape 4.x to crash).

You have two options. First, upgrade to a modern browser that can handle CSS
properly. Mozilla is the best in that regard … or you could try Galeon, which is
basically the Mozilla backend with a more streamlined GUI. You do need a certain
amount of computing power to run those, though … I’d say at least a Pentium II-200
with 128MB of RAM. You can still run Mozilla with less, but it’s a pretty painful
experience.

Opera is also pretty good with CSS (it ought to be, since its creator wrote the CSS
spec). But you either have to pay for it or put up with ads on the toolbar, and it
doesn’t handle East Asian languages (in case you care about that–I do).

If you really need or want to continue browsing with Netscape 4, you can try turning
off CSS (see Edit → Preferences → Advanced). That will make a lot of sites look
ugly, but they should mostly be readable.

Hope this helps.

Boulder, CO 80305-3328

There sure do seem to be a lot of Rubyists in these parts!

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On 21 Feb 2003 at 11:00, ahoward wrote:

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Matt Gushee
Englewood, CO USA

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BTW, if I remember right, the item you want to turn off is labeled “Style Sheets”–
meaning Cascading Style Sheets (CSS).

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On 21 Feb 2003 at 12:27, mgushee@havenrock.com wrote:

If you really need or want to continue browsing with Netscape 4, you can try turning
off CSS (see Edit → Preferences → Advanced).

–
Matt Gushee
Englewood, CO USA

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Most likely the strangeness is due to the site’s use of CSS, which Netscape 4.x
doesn’t handle very well (in fact, there are certain perfectly legal and straightforward
combinations of HTML and CSS that cause Netscape 4.x to crash).

i suspected as much… 4.77 and 4.78.

You have two options. First, upgrade to a modern browser that can handle CSS
properly. Mozilla is the best in that regard … or you could try Galeon,
which is basically the Mozilla backend with a more streamlined GUI. You do
need a certain amount of computing power to run those, though … I’d say at
least a Pentium II-200 with 128MB of RAM. You can still run Mozilla with
less, but it’s a pretty painful experience.

pretty funny you mention that, evey one in my dept has been complaining about
the slowness of mozilla and/or galeon on rh 8.0 and this is on very fast
machines so i don’t think i’ll switch!

Opera is also pretty good with CSS (it ought to be, since its creator wrote
the CSS spec). But you either have to pay for it or put up with ads on the
toolbar, and it doesn’t handle East Asian languages (in case you care about
that–I do).

i did look into this - isn’t the linux impl java?

If you really need or want to continue browsing with Netscape 4, you can try
turning off CSS (see Edit → Preferences → Advanced). That will make a lot
of sites look ugly, but they should mostly be readable.

good advice. funny thing is that ruby garden could easily get by w/o CSS…

Hope this helps.

yup. thanks.

Boulder, CO 80305-3328

There sure do seem to be a lot of Rubyists in these parts!

Matt Gushee
Englewood, CO USA

you too… what are using ruby for?

-a

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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 mgushee@havenrock.com wrote:

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Ara Howard
NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory
Information and Technology Services
Data Systems Group
R/FST 325 Broadway
Boulder, CO 80305-3328
Email: ahoward@fsl.noaa.gov
Phone: 303-497-7238
Fax: 303-497-7259
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ahoward wrote:

Opera is also pretty good with CSS (it ought to be, since its creator wrote
the CSS spec). But you either have to pay for it or put up with ads on the
toolbar, and it doesn’t handle East Asian languages (in case you care about
that–I do).

i did look into this - isn’t the linux impl java?

The linux version of Opera is not written in Java, if that is what you
are asking… I hardly think they could get by with their “the fastest
browser on the earth” slogan if that were the case. :stuck_out_tongue:

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The case for CSS is too strong.

There is also Phoenix, which I have not tried yet, referenced on the
Mozilla site, intended to have much less bloat.

Other linux alternatives are listed here:

http://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~kreutzm/en/lin_browser.html

    Hugh
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, ahoward wrote:

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 mgushee@havenrock.com wrote:

If you really need or want to continue browsing with Netscape 4, you can try
turning off CSS (see Edit → Preferences → Advanced). That will make a lot
of sites look ugly, but they should mostly be readable.

good advice. funny thing is that ruby garden could easily get by w/o CSS…

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AFAIK it’s done in C++ using QT.

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On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 01:20:33PM +0900, Kent Dahl wrote:

ahoward wrote:

Opera is also pretty good with CSS (it ought to be, since its creator wrote
the CSS spec). But you either have to pay for it or put up with ads on the
toolbar, and it doesn’t handle East Asian languages (in case you care about
that–I do).

i did look into this - isn’t the linux impl java?

The linux version of Opera is not written in Java, if that is what you
are asking… I hardly think they could get by with their “the fastest
browser on the earth” slogan if that were the case. :stuck_out_tongue:

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