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David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> writes:

···

--- Andreas Schwarz <usenet@andreas-s.net> wrote:

> David Ross wrote:
> > --- Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, T. Onoma wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts. I am
> >>
> >>currently looking at the
> >>
> >>>following providers in this order of preference:
> >>
> >>You might also want to check out some of the folks
> >>who do User Mode Linux
> >>hosting. Basically, you get root access to your
> own
> >>virtual linux system
> >>and can install just about anything you want.
> >
> >
> > If you are going to get a setup like this, you
> might
> > as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail system.
> Don't
> > want to get cracked :wink:
>
> To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD jail?
>
>

not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure and can be
used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how you
install software doesn't judge it as a desktop)

[...]

Please take your enormous dumps of crap elsewhere. I suggest some
advocacy group on USENET.

22

David Ross wrote:

- again? well take a look how stable the BSD base is
and how long its been around. Don't think time is
relavent? Well then if you don't think so you are not
very intelligent.

David, you make some good points, but you also have a very nasty habit of coming across very offensively. Please try to be a little less aggressive in your proselyting--you win very few friends that way.

Also, regarding "how long its been around:" some quick googling shows that FreeBSD "had its genesis in early 1993" (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/history.html\). Compare that to MS Windows, of which version 1.0 was released in November 1985 (http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm\). Yet no one would even DARE to say that Windows was more secure than FreeBSD, even though it is some 8 years older. Age of the operating system is not necessarily a good indication of stability and security.

Want to be a little bitch about it? okay fine to the
smart asses who keep saying "BSD is dying".
http://www.linuxisforbitches.com

I can tell this is a sensitive issue for you. That's fine--we've all got our hot buttons. But that's no reason to be offensive.

Wow, lets just be idiotic and install everything in
/usr wow! now its difficult to tell the system and
third party packages apart! wee linux is fun!

See above. Someday I may try FreeBSD, but if your attitude is at all indicative of the *BSD community in general, I'm a little frightened to start asking questions...

- Jamis

···

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http://www.jamisbuck.org/jamis

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23

+1 on the JVDS plug -- I've been using them for a couple of months,
and it's worked great.

The only issue I've had has been that the latency seems to often be
too bad to really work in an SSH session. Given the price as compared
to the features, though, I can't say I'm too surprised.

···

--
Lennon
rcoder.net

24

David Ross wrote:

fk'ing

not very intelligent.

bitch

smart asses

http://www.linuxisforbitches.com

idiotic

> BSD has style(8)

Talking about style: I don't like yours, so please forgive me if I will ignore your posts in the future.

Andreas

25

hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for people
like you.

···

--- Mikael Brockman <mikael@phubuh.org> wrote:

David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> writes:

> --- Andreas Schwarz <usenet@andreas-s.net> wrote:
>
> > David Ross wrote:
> > > --- Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, T. Onoma wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts. I
am
> > >>
> > >>currently looking at the
> > >>
> > >>>following providers in this order of
preference:
> > >>
> > >>You might also want to check out some of the
folks
> > >>who do User Mode Linux
> > >>hosting. Basically, you get root access to
your
> > own
> > >>virtual linux system
> > >>and can install just about anything you want.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are going to get a setup like this, you
> > might
> > > as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail
system.
> > Don't
> > > want to get cracked :wink:
> >
> > To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD
jail?
> >
> >
>
> not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure and
can be
> used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how you
> install software doesn't judge it as a desktop)
>
> [...]

Please take your enormous dumps of crap elsewhere.
I suggest some
advocacy group on USENET.

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David Ross wrote:

> - again? well take a look how stable the BSD base
is
> and how long its been around. Don't think time is
> relavent? Well then if you don't think so you are
not
> very intelligent.

David, you make some good points, but you also have
a very nasty habit
of coming across very offensively. Please try to be
a little less
aggressive in your proselyting--you win very few
friends that way.

:slight_smile: Yes I know. I am not an easy person to get along
with. I am great at coding pair though.

Also, regarding "how long its been around:" some
quick googling shows
that FreeBSD "had its genesis in early 1993"

(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/history.html\).

No no, that is only FreeBSD. Look at the orginal BSD
code. FreeBSD is based off the BSD4.4 Lite. the code
has been around longer. I believe it was in 1975~ Most
of the original code is still in tact, and very few
base exploits in the past years from the original
BSD4.4 Lite code

Compare that to MS Windows, of which version 1.0 was
released in
November 1985

(http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm\).

Yet
no one would even DARE to say that Windows was more
secure than FreeBSD,
even though it is some 8 years older. Age of the
operating system is not
necessarily a good indication of stability and
security.

FreeBSD was based off the BSD project that were in the
70s.

> Want to be a little bitch about it? okay fine to
the
> smart asses who keep saying "BSD is dying".
> http://www.linuxisforbitches.com

I can tell this is a sensitive issue for you. That's
fine--we've all got
our hot buttons. But that's no reason to be
offensive.

I admit, I am an asshole. I am like a business person
when I speak. It gets me my way, so I adapted it :slight_smile: I
won't screw with linux-based trolls anymore. I just
tell them off and ignore them. Usually my first
response scares them off. I beat them with experience.
I know exactly what makes them shut up.

> Wow, lets just be idiotic and install everything
in
> /usr wow! now its difficult to tell the system and
> third party packages apart! wee linux is fun!

See above. Someday I may try FreeBSD, but if your
attitude is at all
indicative of the *BSD community in general, I'm a
little frightened to
start asking questions...

I am helpful and polite in bsd channels, however, I
will not deal with linux trolls that come into the
channel. (*IRC channels)

I am even polite to the *shrug* *seizure* iptables
questions that find thier way into the channel.
*laughs*

You want scary? Try Damm on Efnet, ultimate asshole
who scared many people off in #freeBSD on Freenode. He
was stripped of op privs and sent on his merry way
last year.

···

--- Jamis Buck <jgb3@email.byu.edu> wrote:

-Jamis

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27

Jamis,

Don't let David's unexpected outburst reflect negatively on the BSD
community at large. I highly recommend all of the major *BSD variants.
Are they better than Linux? It depends on what your needs are. BSDs do
tend to be more conservative in their development -- that means more
stable APIs and filesystem layouts, though it can also sometimes slow
innovation.

The regular code audits of their source trees (esp. by the OpenBSD
folks) give me at least a somewhat more confidence in their security,
though I also have little doubt that their relative obscurity compared
to Windows and Linux contributes a great deal to the scarcity of
remote exploits.

Most importantly for our purposes here, though, they all run Ruby
flawlessly, and make a great platform for deploying Ruby-based
servers.

···

--
Lennon
rcoder.net

28

David Ross wrote:

hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for people
like you.

David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> writes:

David Ross wrote:
       

--- Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com>
         

wrote:
   

Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts. I
             

am
   

currently looking at the

following providers in this order of
             

preference:
   

You might also want to check out some of the
           

folks
   

who do User Mode Linux hosting. Basically, you get root access to
           

your
   

own
       

virtual linux system and can install just about anything you want.
           

If you are going to get a setup like this, you
         

might
       

as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail
         

system.
   

Don't
       

want to get cracked :wink:
         

To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD
       

jail?
   

not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure and
     

can be
   

used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how you
install software doesn't judge it as a desktop)

[...]
     

Please take your enormous dumps of crap elsewhere. I suggest some
advocacy group on USENET.

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Weren't you the person who said you wouldn't tolerate people calling widely used software crap? Is it just okay when it's you doing it or was it a different David Ross?

···

--- Mikael Brockman <mikael@phubuh.org> wrote:

--- Andreas Schwarz <usenet@andreas-s.net> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, T. Onoma wrote:

--
Linux Bitch AKA Mark Sparshatt

29

Yes yes. The code overview that is done regularly by
most of the BSD developers is great. I sit and watch
all the BSD channels and developers. Some sit on irc..
some complain, some compliment etc, BSDs tend to share
code between each. Really the biggest gap is
installation and a bug with a release that makes some
people just have "newbie farts" :slight_smile: so they install
linux and beat the bsd community with "bsd is dying"

Thats not the worst part though. In the past few
years, there have been many linux people attacking the
bsd community. ex. on the freebsd mailing list,
someone forged a email to make it look like it was
from one of the major developers saying they were
taking linux support out. :frowning:

Though the email forged from Theo to Dillon was just
halarious. It was a April fools joke :stuck_out_tongue:

--David Ross

--David Ross

···

--- Lennon Day-Reynolds <rcoder@gmail.com> wrote:

Jamis,

Don't let David's unexpected outburst reflect
negatively on the BSD
community at large. I highly recommend all of the
major *BSD variants.
Are they better than Linux? It depends on what your
needs are. BSDs do
tend to be more conservative in their development --
that means more
stable APIs and filesystem layouts, though it can
also sometimes slow
innovation.

The regular code audits of their source trees (esp.
by the OpenBSD
folks) give me at least a somewhat more confidence
in their security,
though I also have little doubt that their relative
obscurity compared
to Windows and Linux contributes a great deal to the
scarcity of
remote exploits.

Most importantly for our purposes here, though, they
all run Ruby
flawlessly, and make a great platform for deploying
Ruby-based
servers.

--
Lennon
rcoder.net

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That is so rude, low-class and so off-topic it boggles my mind. What exactly
is your business that you can treat people like that?

Sean O'Dell

···

On Monday 30 August 2004 10:17, David Ross wrote:

hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for people
like you.

--- Mikael Brockman <mikael@phubuh.org> wrote:
> David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> writes:
> > --- Andreas Schwarz <usenet@andreas-s.net> wrote:
> > > David Ross wrote:
> > > > --- Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com>
>
> wrote:
> > > >>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, T. Onoma wrote:
> > > >>>Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts. I
>
> am
>
> > > >>currently looking at the
> > > >>
> > > >>>following providers in this order of
>
> preference:
> > > >>You might also want to check out some of the
>
> folks
>
> > > >>who do User Mode Linux
> > > >>hosting. Basically, you get root access to
>
> your
>
> > > own
> > >
> > > >>virtual linux system
> > > >>and can install just about anything you want.
> > > >
> > > > If you are going to get a setup like this, you
> > >
> > > might
> > >
> > > > as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail
>
> system.
>
> > > Don't
> > >
> > > > want to get cracked :wink:
> > >
> > > To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD
>
> jail?
>
> > not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure and
>
> can be
>
> > used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how you
> > install software doesn't judge it as a desktop)
> >
> > [...]
>
> Please take your enormous dumps of crap elsewhere.
> I suggest some
> advocacy group on USENET.

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* David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> [0817 18:17]:

hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for people
like you.

David, will you please realise this is a mailing list and not IRC?

You regularly fly off the handle like this, and it reflects badly on the
whole list and the BSD coomunity too.

We've had run ins before and I've given you the benefit of the doubt,
but you seem to be the only aggressive poster on this list.
Please lay off.

···

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32

I didn't say it was crap. I said FreeBSD was more
secure than linux.

--David Ross

···

--- mark sparshatt <msparshatt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

David Ross wrote:

>hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for people
>like you.
>--- Mikael Brockman <mikael@phubuh.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>>David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--- Andreas Schwarz <usenet@andreas-s.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>David Ross wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--- Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, T. Onoma wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts. I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>am
>>
>>
>>>>>>currently looking at the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>following providers in this order of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>preference:
>>
>>
>>>>>>You might also want to check out some of the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>folks
>>
>>
>>>>>>who do User Mode Linux
>>>>>>hosting. Basically, you get root access to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>your
>>
>>
>>>>own
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>virtual linux system
>>>>>>and can install just about anything you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>If you are going to get a setup like this, you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>might
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>system.
>>
>>
>>>>Don't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>want to get cracked :wink:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD
>>>>
>>>>
>>jail?
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure and
>>>
>>>
>>can be
>>
>>
>>>used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how you
>>>install software doesn't judge it as a desktop)
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>
>>Please take your enormous dumps of crap elsewhere.

>>I suggest some
>>advocacy group on USENET.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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widely used software crap? Is it just okay when it's
you doing it or was
it a different David Ross?

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I meant it when I said I didn't have time. I am
reading line and lines of SOAP library. --David Ross

···

--- Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> wrote:

That is so rude, low-class and so off-topic it
boggles my mind. What exactly
is your business that you can treat people like
that?

Sean O'Dell

On Monday 30 August 2004 10:17, David Ross wrote:
> hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for
people
> like you.
>
> --- Mikael Brockman <mikael@phubuh.org> wrote:
> > David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> writes:
> > > --- Andreas Schwarz <usenet@andreas-s.net>
wrote:
> > > > David Ross wrote:
> > > > > --- Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > >>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, T. Onoma wrote:
> > > > >>>Please recommend Ruby-supporting web
hosts. I
> >
> > am
> >
> > > > >>currently looking at the
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>following providers in this order of
> >
> > preference:
> > > > >>You might also want to check out some of
the
> >
> > folks
> >
> > > > >>who do User Mode Linux
> > > > >>hosting. Basically, you get root access
to
> >
> > your
> >
> > > > own
> > > >
> > > > >>virtual linux system
> > > > >>and can install just about anything you
want.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are going to get a setup like this,
you
> > > >
> > > > might
> > > >
> > > > > as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail
> >
> > system.
> >
> > > > Don't
> > > >
> > > > > want to get cracked :wink:
> > > >
> > > > To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD
> >
> > jail?
> >
> > > not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure
and
> >
> > can be
> >
> > > used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how
you
> > > install software doesn't judge it as a
desktop)
> > >
> > > [...]
> >
> > Please take your enormous dumps of crap
elsewhere.
> > I suggest some
> > advocacy group on USENET.
>
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I am being aggressive so I am not the one in the
corner getting punched at hard. I would rather be the
agressive one than the one that keeps getting hit at
like every linux nazi tries that tries to beat BSD
users in the head. And I meant it, I just don't have
time. Only short replies

--David Ross

···

--- Dick Davies <rasputnik@hellooperator.net> wrote:

* David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> [0817 18:17]:
> hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for
people
> like you.

David, will you please realise this is a mailing
list and not IRC?

You regularly fly off the handle like this, and it
reflects badly on the
whole list and the BSD coomunity too.

We've had run ins before and I've given you the
benefit of the doubt,
but you seem to be the only aggressive poster on
this list.
Please lay off.

--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns

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Sean O'Dell wrote:

That is so rude, low-class and so off-topic it boggles my mind. What exactly is your business that you can treat people like that?

Sean O'Dell

Thankfully snipped

Wish I have *something real* to add here, mostly lurking and learning, IMO Mr Ross comments are the kind I don't want to learn , some acid comments while valid, are ok, but plain insulting left and right no. And that's sad, this community is polite, helpful and educated for the most part but lately ... a few have made waves. I thank to everybody who post with maturity and politeness, those who help and inadvertently teach me something.

Yes I'm a perfect nobody, but unfortunately I'm forced to use Thunderbird's filters for somebody...

Adartse.
p.s. obviously that filter is not for Mr. O'Dell, but I applied it before posting this :wink: so I no longer have "that" guy's mails.

Truth only offends to those not used to it.

···

On Monday 30 August 2004 10:17, David Ross wrote:

36

From now and henceforth, any mail from David Ross is being filtered directly to my trash box. "I don't have time" is a lousy excuse for insulting people. If someone says you are being offensive, and you *acknowledge* it, then you are completely without excuse.

To reduce the number of flamewars on ruby-talk, I would encourage everyone to just give David a wide berth and let him rant into /dev/null.

- Jamis

David Ross wrote:

···

I meant it when I said I didn't have time. I am
reading line and lines of SOAP library. --David Ross

--- Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> wrote:

That is so rude, low-class and so off-topic it
boggles my mind. What exactly is your business that you can treat people like
that?

Sean O'Dell

On Monday 30 August 2004 10:17, David Ross wrote:

hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for

people

like you.

--- Mikael Brockman <mikael@phubuh.org> wrote:

David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> writes:

--- Andreas Schwarz <usenet@andreas-s.net>

wrote:

David Ross wrote:

--- Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com>

wrote:

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, T. Onoma wrote:

Please recommend Ruby-supporting web

hosts. I

am

currently looking at the

following providers in this order of

preference:

You might also want to check out some of

the

folks

who do User Mode Linux
hosting. Basically, you get root access

to

your

own

virtual linux system
and can install just about anything you

want.

If you are going to get a setup like this,

you

might

as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail

system.

Don't

want to get cracked :wink:

To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD

jail?

not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure

and

can be

used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how

you

install software doesn't judge it as a

desktop)

[...]

Please take your enormous dumps of crap

elsewhere.

I suggest some
advocacy group on USENET.

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http://www.jamisbuck.org/jamis

"I use octal until I get to 8, and then I switch to decimal."

37

Who are you kidding when you speak like that to people and then come back with
"I meant it when I said I didn't have time. I am reading line and lines of
SOAP library"? As if you meant it as blunt honesty and nothing more. That
is sheer nonsense and you're fooling only yourself. Take your nastiness off
the ML, please.

Sean O'Dell

···

On Monday 30 August 2004 11:21, David Ross wrote:

I meant it when I said I didn't have time. I am
reading line and lines of SOAP library. --David Ross

--- Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> wrote:
> That is so rude, low-class and so off-topic it
> boggles my mind. What exactly
> is your business that you can treat people like
> that?
>
> Sean O'Dell
>
> On Monday 30 August 2004 10:17, David Ross wrote:
> > hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for
>
> people
>
> > like you.
> >
> > --- Mikael Brockman <mikael@phubuh.org> wrote:
> > > David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> writes:
> > > > --- Andreas Schwarz <usenet@andreas-s.net>
>
> wrote:
> > > > > David Ross wrote:
> > > > > > --- Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, T. Onoma wrote:
> > > > > >>>Please recommend Ruby-supporting web
>
> hosts. I
>
> > > am
> > >
> > > > > >>currently looking at the
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>following providers in this order of
> > >
> > > preference:
> > > > > >>You might also want to check out some of
>
> the
>
> > > folks
> > >
> > > > > >>who do User Mode Linux
> > > > > >>hosting. Basically, you get root access
>
> to
>
> > > your
> > >
> > > > > own
> > > > >
> > > > > >>virtual linux system
> > > > > >>and can install just about anything you
>
> want.
>
> > > > > > If you are going to get a setup like this,
>
> you
>
> > > > > might
> > > > >
> > > > > > as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail
> > >
> > > system.
> > >
> > > > > Don't
> > > > >
> > > > > > want to get cracked :wink:
> > > > >
> > > > > To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD
> > >
> > > jail?
> > >
> > > > not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure
>
> and
>
> > > can be
> > >
> > > > used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how
>
> you
>
> > > > install software doesn't judge it as a
>
> desktop)
>
> > > > [...]
> > >
> > > Please take your enormous dumps of crap
>
> elsewhere.
>
> > > I suggest some
> > > advocacy group on USENET.
> >
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Your lengthen your replies greatly with vitriol. Here's a shortened version of what you said, sans vitriol:

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To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD jail?

A few reasons:

1. exploits: Compare the number of kernel exploits between linux and bsd.
2. age: BSD has been around longer. It makes sense that mature code is more secure.
3. exploits part 2: There are more exploits in the base utils of linux than in bsd's

I used to use linux, but I switched to bsd after getting tired of all the security patches. bsd is much easier to support, and I can run linux apps in an emulation layer, only occasionally needing to to any porting.

I suggest this site for those who disagree with me: http://www.blahblah.com

Basically, I use BSD because security is my prime concern.

Also, I hate how Linux mixes installed packages with system packages in the /usr dir... it makes them difficult (impossible) to tell apart.
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there. that was your entire email, shortened greatly by the lack of abrasive words. please consider posting that way in the future. it'll save you time, and make it so you might actually have people on the list who will read your messages.

And before you classify me as a "Linux bitch", I'll mention that I greatly prefer using BSD variants myself. Especially a FreeBSD variant called Darwin. It has such a nice desktop environment :slight_smile:

On Aug 30, 2004, at 11:45 AM, David Ross wrote:

I am being aggressive so I am not the one in the
corner getting punched at hard. I would rather be the
agressive one than the one that keeps getting hit at
like every linux nazi tries that tries to beat BSD
users in the head. And I meant it, I just don't have
time. Only short replies

--David Ross

--- Dick Davies <rasputnik@hellooperator.net> wrote:

* David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> [0817 18:17]:

hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for

people

like you.

David, will you please realise this is a mailing
list and not IRC?

You regularly fly off the handle like this, and it
reflects badly on the
whole list and the BSD coomunity too.

We've had run ins before and I've given you the
benefit of the doubt,
but you seem to be the only aggressive poster on
this list.
Please lay off.

--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns

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David Ross wrote:

I meant it when I said I didn't have time. I am
reading line and lines of SOAP library. --David Ross

Then stop spending time wasting the bandwidth of all these other people with your useless drivel. Just don't post if you are so busy. I know 3 year olds that speak more politely and intelligently than you do. Whatever reasons you give for your petty adolescent outbursts are meaningless and worthless. I don't care how much you may think of yourself, but outbursts like that will get you pegged as a child, and then you will be treated as such.

There have been times that I thought I'd give you the benefit of a doubt, because you do occasionally write about some technical detail that almost sounds profound. "Hush Linux bitch" is NOT one of those profound statements.

Could a list operator ban his postings? this is just wasting bandwidth and time. And it seems such a waste to David Ross's precious time, I think it would be a win-win situation.

At the very least, I think a spamassassin rule to tag any email with his name in it as junk would be very welcome. Too bad it still has to waste my bandwidth before SA can get ahold of it. :frowning:

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David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com> writes:

I am being aggressive so I am not the one in the
corner getting punched at hard. I would rather be the
agressive one than the one that keeps getting hit at
like every linux nazi tries that tries to beat BSD
users in the head. And I meant it, I just don't have
time. Only short replies

Wait a minute ... could you please name the "linux nazi's" here by whom
you are allegedly "getting punched"? I don't recall anyone in this Ruby
forum who made any comments against *BSD and in favor of Linux.

Before I continue, I want to make it clear that I use FreeBSD and I
think that it's a great OS. And I'm embarrassed that someone who
behaves like you is publicly associating yourself with it. So you can't
call me a "linux nazi".

The only negative statements I have seen people here make towards you
consist of attempts get you to behave more civilly here, and more like
an adult. If I missed something, please enlighten me.

The reactions you are getting from people here have nothing to do with
Linux or *BSD, and everything to do with how you immaturely misdirect
your aggressiveness towards people who are saying nothing at all about
the *BSD family of OS's.

If you think that everyone who criticizes your childish behavior is
someone who is attacking *BSD and promoting Linux, then you are
delusional.

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God bless you.