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really good content! I want to help to develop this ecosystem. Does anybody
know where I can reach the community?
Em ter., 7 de fev. de 2023 às 18:29, Andy Maleh via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> escreveu:
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Fellipe Fingoli
I was inspired by the video, but got bogged down by the lack of clear
documentation of the glimmer-dsl-libui methods and arguments. Without
traditional documentation, only really having the examples lead to a lot of
hunting around and very slow progress.
If I missed the documentation and someone knows where it is, I'd love to
read it. I think though that since this is a wrapper library there is
instead reference to the underlying documentation (whose method names are a
bit different, and whose arguments are a bit different) and I find that
translation very challenging; especially since glimmer-dsl-libui is not yet
complete, so your run into ineffective keywords if you rely on the
underlying glimmer docs.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 8:34 PM Andy Maleh via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
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really good content! I want to help to develop this ecosystem. Does
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Here is your chance to contribute. This is a free open-source project, not
sponsored in any way, and I personally don’t find a challenge in learning
through the examples. That’s how I learned the underlying library within a
month. But, if you prefer documentation, then please contribute
documentation gradually piece by piece to address your needs and help
others in the Ruby community in addition to yourself. Sharing is caring.
Andy Maleh
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:15 PM Andy Nutter-Upham <andy@wi.mit.edu> wrote:
I was inspired by the video, but got bogged down by the lack of clear
documentation of the glimmer-dsl-libui methods and arguments. Without
traditional documentation, only really having the examples lead to a lot of
hunting around and very slow progress.If I missed the documentation and someone knows where it is, I'd love to
read it. I think though that since this is a wrapper library there is
instead reference to the underlying documentation (whose method names are a
bit different, and whose arguments are a bit different) and I find that
translation very challenging; especially since glimmer-dsl-libui is not yet
complete, so your run into ineffective keywords if you rely on the
underlying glimmer docs.On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 8:34 PM Andy Maleh via ruby-talk < > ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
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really good content! I want to help to develop this ecosystem. Does
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My RubyConf 2022 talk video on "Building Native GUI Apps in Ruby"
using the Fukuoka Award Winning Glimmer DSL for LibUI has just been
released!Andy Maleh
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Andy Nutter-Upham, I just realized I didn't answer this exact question by
you in full details (I read the original message on the phone while being
quite busy with something a couple of weeks ago, and I somehow missed some
of intricacies of your question):
"If I missed the documentation and someone knows where it is, I'd love to
read it. I think though that since this is a wrapper library there is
instead reference to the underlying documentation (whose method names are a
bit different, and whose arguments are a bit different) and I find that
translation very challenging; especially since glimmer-dsl-libui is not yet
complete, so your run into ineffective keywords if you rely on the
underlying glimmer docs."
Glimmer DSL for LibUI actually does have full documentation for the Ruby
API:
Someone asked me to add the documentation early on when the project was
new, and I added it to that person's satisfaction. I hope it's helpful to
you too.
By the way, I also do mention under the "Original API" section that you
could use the LibUI Go documentation as a reference:
https://pkg.go.dev/github.com/andlabs/ui
But, the most complete reference is the actual C headers:
And, the C headers are exposed as low-level FFI functions in Ruby as per
the Original API (but it's not recommended that you use these method
directly of course):
To give you an example of how the mapping from the C API to Ruby happens,
suppose we have this C function:
uiWindowSetTitle('My Application')
The word before the "Set" or "Get" operation is the control object (e.g.
window), and the word after it is the attribute (e.g. title).
So, the equivalent of that in the Glimmer GUI DSL:
window {
title 'My Application'
}
Basically, we are declaring a window control with one nested attribute of
title having the value 'My Application'
The C API is procedural and imperative whereas the Glimmer GUI DSL is
object-oriented and declarative, better mapping to the way we think of
concepts visually while looking at a screen given that you could nest
controls (widgets) within each other.
If you need further help, do not hesitate to ask further questions at the
Glimmer Gitter chat:
You shouldn't really get bogged down unless you are missing foundational
grounding in software engineering concepts relating to desktop development
in general, like MVC (Model View Controller). I've done GUI development
professionally in older technologies like Java Swing in the past, and by
comparison, Glimmer lets me leapfrog past productivity by 4x at least,
sometimes 10x or even more (and it's that much faster in productivity than
web development too, so it's great for building quick local apps or tools
that don't need the web as it's much simpler, demanding a tiny fraction of
web code only). But, it does assume you know MVC (Model View Controller)
very well, and it benefits from also knowing MVP (Model View Presenter).
Once you get the main ideas behind Glimmer, everything clicks, and things
like exact APIs or detailed documentation wouldn't matter much anymore
because the way you think with MVC/MVP is you start with the View layer
from a GUI mockup to support a specific user workflow, and you either use
native controls (like text and button, by looking them up in examples or
the docs mentioned above) or you invent your own custom controls (both
options are available in Glimmer DSL for LibUI). Of course, the native
controls are only as complete as what is implemented by the underlying
LibUI library. I know the authors of it are working on adding many new
features, like a Tree control, Table sorting listeners, and some other
missing features. They will all be added to Glimmer DSL for LibUI in due
time when they get released in C LibUI. But, that shouldn't stop someone
from learning the library and using whatever is available in it for now, or
at least mastering the current features until more features are added in
the future (especially given that you could always temporarily polyfill
missing features by building your own custom controls if really needed).
Cheers,
Andy Maleh
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:27 PM grigoris charam <xargrigoris@gmail.com> wrote:
Stop reply all
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Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/AndyObtivaOn Feb 14, 2023, at 7:51 PM, Fellipe Fingoli via ruby-talk < > ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
really good content! I want to help to develop this ecosystem. Does
anybody know where I can reach the community?Em ter., 7 de fev. de 2023 às 18:29, Andy Maleh via ruby-talk < > ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> escreveu:
My RubyConf 2022 talk video on "Building Native GUI Apps in Ruby" using
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Thank you so much for your followup. I had seen the supported-keywords
section. The difficulty I am having with that documentation is that it does
not provide clear instructions on what elements can be nested within
others. It is particularly confusing to distinguish between components and
attributes. As a result, I have encountered challenges with simple tasks
such as adjusting the font size on a label. I have tried different
combinations of nesting label, string, text, and font, but it is not clear
which one is correct based on the 'supported keywords' listing; and not all
the things I want to try are represented in the examples.
And, as I mentioned, dropping into the C headers and having to translate
that into what was implemented has, for me, only added confusion rather
than clarification. Though I do appreciate your explanation of the
translation.
I'm sure if I spent enough time on it, I'd get it. But for someone coming
to this project with little-to-no native UI knowledge, the initial learning
process has proved challenging for me. And it isn't the complicated stuff
like the MVC binding, that makes good conceptual sense to me. And as
someone who is investigating it for fun, not for work or profit, the
ease/difficulty of the initial learning experience does affect my
willingness to put more effort into learning it. To respond to your
original response, as the person who does not understand, and is not even
sure if this library is something I want to use, I'm pretty much the last
candidate to add this documentation.
Anyhow, I this library is a great idea. Having a low boilerplate UI library
in the main ruby (as opposed to jruby) is a worthwhile niche to fill! I
hope I am able to get through my learning challenges here eventually. And I
appreciate your work on this. Cheers!
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:13 AM Andy Maleh via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Andy Nutter-Upham, I just realized I didn't answer this exact question by
you in full details (I read the original message on the phone while being
quite busy with something a couple of weeks ago, and I somehow missed some
of intricacies of your question):"If I missed the documentation and someone knows where it is, I'd love to
read it. I think though that since this is a wrapper library there is
instead reference to the underlying documentation (whose method names are a
bit different, and whose arguments are a bit different) and I find that
translation very challenging; especially since glimmer-dsl-libui is not yet
complete, so your run into ineffective keywords if you rely on the
underlying glimmer docs."Glimmer DSL for LibUI actually does have full documentation for the Ruby
API:
GitHub - AndyObtiva/glimmer-dsl-libui: Glimmer DSL for LibUI - Prerequisite-Free Ruby Desktop Development Cross-Platform Native GUI Library - The Quickest Way From Zero To GUI - If You Liked Shoes, You'll Love Glimmer! - No need to pre-install any prerequisites. Just install the gem and have platform-independent GUI that just works on Mac, Windows, and Linux.Someone asked me to add the documentation early on when the project was
new, and I added it to that person's satisfaction. I hope it's helpful to
you too.By the way, I also do mention under the "Original API" section that you
could use the LibUI Go documentation as a reference:
ui package - github.com/andlabs/ui - Go PackagesBut, the most complete reference is the actual C headers:
https://github.com/andlabs/libui/blob/master/ui.hAnd, the C headers are exposed as low-level FFI functions in Ruby as per
the Original API (but it's not recommended that you use these method
directly of course):
GitHub - AndyObtiva/glimmer-dsl-libui: Glimmer DSL for LibUI - Prerequisite-Free Ruby Desktop Development Cross-Platform Native GUI Library - The Quickest Way From Zero To GUI - If You Liked Shoes, You'll Love Glimmer! - No need to pre-install any prerequisites. Just install the gem and have platform-independent GUI that just works on Mac, Windows, and Linux.To give you an example of how the mapping from the C API to Ruby happens,
suppose we have this C function:uiWindowSetTitle('My Application')
The word before the "Set" or "Get" operation is the control object (e.g.
window), and the word after it is the attribute (e.g. title).So, the equivalent of that in the Glimmer GUI DSL:
window {
title 'My Application'
}Basically, we are declaring a window control with one nested attribute of
title having the value 'My Application'The C API is procedural and imperative whereas the Glimmer GUI DSL is
object-oriented and declarative, better mapping to the way we think of
concepts visually while looking at a screen given that you could nest
controls (widgets) within each other.If you need further help, do not hesitate to ask further questions at the
Glimmer Gitter chat:
https://app.gitter.im/#/room/\#AndyObtiva\_glimmer:gitter\.imYou shouldn't really get bogged down unless you are missing foundational
grounding in software engineering concepts relating to desktop development
in general, like MVC (Model View Controller). I've done GUI development
professionally in older technologies like Java Swing in the past, and by
comparison, Glimmer lets me leapfrog past productivity by 4x at least,
sometimes 10x or even more (and it's that much faster in productivity than
web development too, so it's great for building quick local apps or tools
that don't need the web as it's much simpler, demanding a tiny fraction of
web code only). But, it does assume you know MVC (Model View Controller)
very well, and it benefits from also knowing MVP (Model View Presenter).
Once you get the main ideas behind Glimmer, everything clicks, and things
like exact APIs or detailed documentation wouldn't matter much anymore
because the way you think with MVC/MVP is you start with the View layer
from a GUI mockup to support a specific user workflow, and you either use
native controls (like text and button, by looking them up in examples or
the docs mentioned above) or you invent your own custom controls (both
options are available in Glimmer DSL for LibUI). Of course, the native
controls are only as complete as what is implemented by the underlying
LibUI library. I know the authors of it are working on adding many new
features, like a Tree control, Table sorting listeners, and some other
missing features. They will all be added to Glimmer DSL for LibUI in due
time when they get released in C LibUI. But, that shouldn't stop someone
from learning the library and using whatever is available in it for now, or
at least mastering the current features until more features are added in
the future (especially given that you could always temporarily polyfill
missing features by building your own custom controls if really needed).Cheers,
Andy Maleh
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:27 PM grigoris charam <xargrigoris@gmail.com> > wrote:
Stop reply all
On Feb 15, 2023, at 03:05, Andy Maleh via ruby-talk < >> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
The Glimmer Gitter Chat:
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<glimmer.png>
AndyObtiva/glimmer: DSL Framework consisting of a DSL Engine and a
Data-Binding Library used in Glimmer DSL for SWT (JRuby Desktop Development
GUI Framework), Glimmer DSL for Opal (Pure Ruby Web GUI), Glimmer DSL for
LibUI (Prerequisite-Free Ruby Desktop Development GUI Library), Glimmer DSL
for Tk (Ruby Tk Desktop Development GUI Library), Glimmer DSL for GTK
(Ruby-GNOME Desktop Development GUI Library), Glimmer DSL for XML (& HTML),
and Glimmer DSL for CSS <https://github.com/AndyObtiva/glimmer>
github.com <https://github.com/AndyObtiva/glimmer>
<https://github.com/AndyObtiva/glimmer>Andy Maleh
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Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/AndyObtivaOn Feb 14, 2023, at 7:51 PM, Fellipe Fingoli via ruby-talk < >> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
really good content! I want to help to develop this ecosystem. Does
anybody know where I can reach the community?Em ter., 7 de fev. de 2023 às 18:29, Andy Maleh via ruby-talk < >> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> escreveu:
My RubyConf 2022 talk video on "Building Native GUI Apps in Ruby" using
the Fukuoka Award Winning Glimmer DSL for LibUI has just been released!Andy Maleh
LinkedIn: Andy Maleh - Senior Developer - Lexop | LinkedIn
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On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 2:28 PM Andy Nutter-Upham via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Thank you so much for your followup. I had seen the supported-keywords
section. The difficulty I am having with that documentation is that it does
not provide clear instructions on what elements can be nested within
others. It is particularly confusing to distinguish between components and
attributes. As a result, I have encountered challenges with simple tasks
such as adjusting the font size on a label. I have tried different
combinations of nesting label, string, text, and font, but it is not clear
which one is correct based on the 'supported keywords' listing; and not all
the things I want to try are represented in the examples.And, as I mentioned, dropping into the C headers and having to translate
that into what was implemented has, for me, only added confusion rather
than clarification. Though I do appreciate your explanation of the
translation.I'm sure if I spent enough time on it, I'd get it. But for someone coming
to this project with little-to-no native UI knowledge, the initial learning
process has proved challenging for me. And it isn't the complicated stuff
like the MVC binding, that makes good conceptual sense to me. And as
someone who is investigating it for fun, not for work or profit, the
ease/difficulty of the initial learning experience does affect my
willingness to put more effort into learning it. To respond to your
original response, as the person who does not understand, and is not even
sure if this library is something I want to use, I'm pretty much the last
candidate to add this documentation.Anyhow, I this library is a great idea. Having a low boilerplate UI
library in the main ruby (as opposed to jruby) is a worthwhile niche to
fill! I hope I am able to get through my learning challenges here
eventually. And I appreciate your work on this. Cheers!On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:13 AM Andy Maleh via ruby-talk < > ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Andy Nutter-Upham, I just realized I didn't answer this exact question by
you in full details (I read the original message on the phone while being
quite busy with something a couple of weeks ago, and I somehow missed some
of intricacies of your question):"If I missed the documentation and someone knows where it is, I'd love to
read it. I think though that since this is a wrapper library there is
instead reference to the underlying documentation (whose method names are a
bit different, and whose arguments are a bit different) and I find that
translation very challenging; especially since glimmer-dsl-libui is not yet
complete, so your run into ineffective keywords if you rely on the
underlying glimmer docs."Glimmer DSL for LibUI actually does have full documentation for the Ruby
API:
GitHub - AndyObtiva/glimmer-dsl-libui: Glimmer DSL for LibUI - Prerequisite-Free Ruby Desktop Development Cross-Platform Native GUI Library - The Quickest Way From Zero To GUI - If You Liked Shoes, You'll Love Glimmer! - No need to pre-install any prerequisites. Just install the gem and have platform-independent GUI that just works on Mac, Windows, and Linux.Someone asked me to add the documentation early on when the project was
new, and I added it to that person's satisfaction. I hope it's helpful to
you too.By the way, I also do mention under the "Original API" section that you
could use the LibUI Go documentation as a reference:
ui package - github.com/andlabs/ui - Go PackagesBut, the most complete reference is the actual C headers:
https://github.com/andlabs/libui/blob/master/ui.hAnd, the C headers are exposed as low-level FFI functions in Ruby as per
the Original API (but it's not recommended that you use these method
directly of course):
GitHub - AndyObtiva/glimmer-dsl-libui: Glimmer DSL for LibUI - Prerequisite-Free Ruby Desktop Development Cross-Platform Native GUI Library - The Quickest Way From Zero To GUI - If You Liked Shoes, You'll Love Glimmer! - No need to pre-install any prerequisites. Just install the gem and have platform-independent GUI that just works on Mac, Windows, and Linux.To give you an example of how the mapping from the C API to Ruby happens,
suppose we have this C function:uiWindowSetTitle('My Application')
The word before the "Set" or "Get" operation is the control object (e.g.
window), and the word after it is the attribute (e.g. title).So, the equivalent of that in the Glimmer GUI DSL:
window {
title 'My Application'
}Basically, we are declaring a window control with one nested attribute of
title having the value 'My Application'The C API is procedural and imperative whereas the Glimmer GUI DSL is
object-oriented and declarative, better mapping to the way we think of
concepts visually while looking at a screen given that you could nest
controls (widgets) within each other.If you need further help, do not hesitate to ask further questions at the
Glimmer Gitter chat:
https://app.gitter.im/#/room/\#AndyObtiva\_glimmer:gitter\.imYou shouldn't really get bogged down unless you are missing foundational
grounding in software engineering concepts relating to desktop development
in general, like MVC (Model View Controller). I've done GUI development
professionally in older technologies like Java Swing in the past, and by
comparison, Glimmer lets me leapfrog past productivity by 4x at least,
sometimes 10x or even more (and it's that much faster in productivity than
web development too, so it's great for building quick local apps or tools
that don't need the web as it's much simpler, demanding a tiny fraction of
web code only). But, it does assume you know MVC (Model View Controller)
very well, and it benefits from also knowing MVP (Model View Presenter).
Once you get the main ideas behind Glimmer, everything clicks, and things
like exact APIs or detailed documentation wouldn't matter much anymore
because the way you think with MVC/MVP is you start with the View layer
from a GUI mockup to support a specific user workflow, and you either use
native controls (like text and button, by looking them up in examples or
the docs mentioned above) or you invent your own custom controls (both
options are available in Glimmer DSL for LibUI). Of course, the native
controls are only as complete as what is implemented by the underlying
LibUI library. I know the authors of it are working on adding many new
features, like a Tree control, Table sorting listeners, and some other
missing features. They will all be added to Glimmer DSL for LibUI in due
time when they get released in C LibUI. But, that shouldn't stop someone
from learning the library and using whatever is available in it for now, or
at least mastering the current features until more features are added in
the future (especially given that you could always temporarily polyfill
missing features by building your own custom controls if really needed).Cheers,
Andy Maleh
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:27 PM grigoris charam <xargrigoris@gmail.com> >> wrote:
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On Feb 15, 2023, at 03:05, Andy Maleh via ruby-talk < >>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
The Glimmer Gitter Chat:
https://app.gitter.im/#/room/\#AndyObtiva\_glimmer:gitter\.im
If you create any Glimmer related projects, libraries, or tools, you
could alert of us of them in the Gitter Chat.And, you can open issues or pull requests on any of the Glimmer projects
if needed:
<glimmer.png>
AndyObtiva/glimmer: DSL Framework consisting of a DSL Engine and a
Data-Binding Library used in Glimmer DSL for SWT (JRuby Desktop Development
GUI Framework), Glimmer DSL for Opal (Pure Ruby Web GUI), Glimmer DSL for
LibUI (Prerequisite-Free Ruby Desktop Development GUI Library), Glimmer DSL
for Tk (Ruby Tk Desktop Development GUI Library), Glimmer DSL for GTK
(Ruby-GNOME Desktop Development GUI Library), Glimmer DSL for XML (& HTML),
and Glimmer DSL for CSS <https://github.com/AndyObtiva/glimmer>
github.com <https://github.com/AndyObtiva/glimmer>
<https://github.com/AndyObtiva/glimmer>Andy Maleh
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Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/AndyObtivaOn Feb 14, 2023, at 7:51 PM, Fellipe Fingoli via ruby-talk < >>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
really good content! I want to help to develop this ecosystem. Does
anybody know where I can reach the community?Em ter., 7 de fev. de 2023 às 18:29, Andy Maleh via ruby-talk < >>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> escreveu:
My RubyConf 2022 talk video on "Building Native GUI Apps in Ruby"
using the Fukuoka Award Winning Glimmer DSL for LibUI has just been
released!Andy Maleh
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