Rubies:
This language has been so danged fun I have overlooked learning one tiny
detail about it:
Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.
Surveys, anyone?
–
Phlip
http://www.greencheese.org/HatTrick
– This machine last rebooted during the Second Millenium –
Phlip phlip_cpp@yahoo.com writes:
Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.
There’s http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RealWorldRuby, which documents
some folks experience. I’m currently working on a project written
exclusively in Ruby, and I know that Rich and his gang are doing work
in Ruby too.
I’m guessing the number of paying Ruby projects is growing by the day.
Dave
I use Ruby all the time where I work.
They give me a job, and don’t care how I do it - as long as it gets done…
so Ruby it is!
-Rich
P.s. - I consider Open Source projects to be ‘paying’… and in that regard I
use Ruby all the time… if only it were easier to ‘compile’ Ruby.
----- Original Message -----
From: “Phlip” phlip_cpp@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:18 AM
Subject: Ruby jobs
Rubies:
This language has been so danged fun I have overlooked learning one tiny
detail about it:Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.Surveys, anyone?
–
Phlip
http://www.greencheese.org/HatTrick
– This machine last rebooted during the Second Millenium –
an interesting question.
i have been attempting to create a ruby accounting application for a
specific market from which i could make a quite a bit of money. while
the primary logic was easy enough to create and is mostly complete (and
ruby made it fun!), putting a front-end gui on it has proven laborous
and imperfect. worse, creating good printable reports has proven to be
all but impossible outside of writing my own a report engine from
scratch, something i do not have the time to do (that’s a whole project
in itself!).
i am thus sorry to say that it looks as if i will be giving up the use
of ruby for this application 
i am glad i discovered ruby and have
become fairly capable with it. i certainly will use ruby in the future
for any project that it is applicable too, but that doesn’t look to be
in the class of profitable projects.
this is perhaps a good indication of where ruby developers might wish to
focus their energies. freeride promises to be helpful in this regard
when it eventually has an integrated gui forms designer. as for report
engines, it is unfortunate that datavision switched to java (primarily
for the lack of a good GUI). in fact a reporting tool as such is
something sorely missing in linux development altogether.
perhaps one day ruby will have a complete rad enviornment competive with
the likes of visual studio and kylix, but until then i do not see it
being exceptionally profitable. the best bet for doing so currently is
likley in the development of web applications.
On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 08:18, Phlip wrote:
Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.
–
tom sawyer, aka transami
transami@transami.net
oh, i guess i should give exception to profit earned from it jobs in
which ruby proves to be a regular useful tool.
–
tom sawyer, aka transami
transami@transami.net
I use it at work, occasionally, but only as a Perl replacement (a fine usage,
to be sure, but hardly the limit of the language). I’m certainly not employes
as a Ruby hacker.
See RealWorldRuby on the Wiki - there should be some examples there.
Gavin
----- Original Message -----
From: “Phlip” phlip_cpp@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:18 AM
Subject: Ruby jobs
Rubies:
This language has been so danged fun I have overlooked learning one tiny
detail about it:Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.Surveys, anyone?
–
Phlip
http://www.greencheese.org/HatTrick
– This machine last rebooted during the Second Millenium –
“Phlip” phlip_cpp@yahoo.com wrote in message
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Rubies:
This language has been so danged fun I have overlooked learning one tiny
detail about it:Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.Surveys, anyone?
Speaking of surveys - I actually advocated heavily for using Ruby as the
core scripting language for Survey Software. We ended up writing our own
Visual Basic clone which is also fine as the important stuff is in the
components accessible from the script, not the script itself. I just think
it would have been a lot cooler with Ruby.
But no I’m not making any money out of Ruby I just waste a lot of time on
it. To me most of the value in Ruby turns out to be the people interested in
Ruby - more than Ruby itself - in the sense that I learn a lot about new
technologies through Ruby. YAML, Fast-CGI, Judy, Fox, Eclipse to mention but
a few.
Mikkel
Phlip wrote:
Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.
It is my full-time job to write code in Ruby for an online educational
statistics package. Unfortunately we aren’t hiring currently, but we
currently employ 2 Ruby programmers including me, and at one time had a
team of 5 working on the project.
–Gabriel
I used Ruby to write a server for a system that streams live results to
PDAs over a Bluetooth wireless network at Formula 1 motor races.
Cheers,
Nat.
On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 15:18, Phlip wrote:
Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.
–
Dr. Nathaniel Pryce, Technical Director, B13media Ltd.
Studio 3a, 22-24 Highbury Grove, London N5 2EA, UK
http://www.b13media.com
Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.
We have 2 full time ruby programmers on staff (90%+ time spent in
rubyland), the rest of the programmers are dabbling in ruby now.
ruby is a secret-weapon much like perl was a secret-weapon way back
when (early to mid nineties). But you didn’t hear that from me.
shhhhh… 
-joe
crap! i just reread my post. please don’t get the wrong impression and
take it to mean that I am leaving ruby behind. not so! i have a number
of programs and projects that are all about ruby to which i am commited.
–
tom sawyer, aka transami
transami@transami.net
Funny, speaking of Ruby jobs, right now I’m paid by one of my
clients to write reports in Ruby. They’re all very printable.
For the one report that needed finer-grain control, it generates
a PDF using pdflib and the Ruby bindings for it …
Unfortunately, Panoptic isn’t hiring programmers at the moment.
But, I’m sure there are other Ruby jobs out there.
– Dossy
On 2002.09.02, Tom Sawyer transami@transami.net wrote:
creating good printable reports has proven to be all but impossible
outside of writing my own a report engine from scratch,
–
Dossy Shiobara mail: dossy@panoptic.com
Panoptic Computer Network web: http://www.panoptic.com/
“He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly – then you can let go and quickly move on.” (p. 70)
My company is using it on a DARPA project to script/control/stress a
distributed (Java-based) multi-agent system. It uses Jabber (
http://www.infoether.com/ruby/jabber4r/index.htm ) as a communications
infrastructure. We were just notified that next year it will grow to
over 200 computers (all Linux…all running Ruby).
The DARPA folks are digging Ruby’s simpicity, elegance, and power. If
only the multi-agent system were in Ruby… 
We have other more commercial plans for applications built in Ruby…but
cannot disclose yet.
-Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: dave@thomases.com [mailto:dave@thomases.com] On Behalf
Of Dave Thomas
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 10:55 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: Ruby jobsPhlip phlip_cpp@yahoo.com writes:
Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet?
Not the books
or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.There’s http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RealWorldRuby, which
documents some folks experience. I’m currently working on a
project written exclusively in Ruby, and I know that Rich and
his gang are doing work in Ruby too.I’m guessing the number of paying Ruby projects is growing by the day.
Dave
Don’t give up hope. We (Approximity) did a few Ruby jobs
and will continue to code solutions in Ruby.
No, Ruby is not the exclusive language we use and hardly
anybody seems to know it. Without the marketing power of
Sun/IBM/MS it simply takes a very long time till a new technology
makes it into mainstream.
Keep up the faith. If you use the better tool than your
competition you can do more in less time.
Bye,
Armin.
Am Sonntag, 1. September 2002 17:58 schrieben Sie:
Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.
Armin Roehrl, http://www.approximity.com
Rubybuch: http://approximity.com/rubybuch/
Agile Entwicklerkonferenz: 22. und 23.10 in Nürnberg.
http://www.approximity.com/public/conferences/AgileConf.html
Tom Sawyer transami@transami.net writes:
i have been attempting to create a ruby accounting application for a
specific market from which i could make a quite a bit of money. while
the primary logic was easy enough to create and is mostly complete (and
ruby made it fun!), putting a front-end gui on it has proven laborous
and imperfect. worse, creating good printable reports has proven to be
all but impossible outside of writing my own a report engine from
scratch, something i do not have the time to do (that’s a whole project
in itself!).
If you want a pure Ruby reporting engine, see
http://datavision.sourceforge.net. True, the recent versions are in Java,
but the earliest versions are perfectly good working Ruby. It can output
LaTeX (thus PDF if you run pdflatex), HTML, comma- and tab-separated, and
more.
Jim
–
Jim Menard, jimm@io.com, http://www.io.com/~jimm/
As a math major, I don’t have to be able to add – I just have to be able
to PROVE that I can add.
I’m curious if you are using a coding standard and if you
use a test-first coding methodology with UnitTest.
Has it been easier or harder to use ruby in a multiple
programmer environment than C or C++?
Just curious.
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 12:00:45PM +0900, Gabriel Emerson wrote:
It is my full-time job to write code in Ruby for an online educational
statistics package. Unfortunately we aren’t hiring currently, but we
currently employ 2 Ruby programmers including me, and at one time had a
team of 5 working on the project.
–
Jim Freeze
~
I am using ruby on a corpus linguistics project I am working on. Of
course the money (and it’s a token amount, rather than the reason I’m
doing it) is really being paid for answers to research questions, and it
doesn’t matter what language I use to anyone except me. Nevertheless I
have the feeling that ruby is getting a bit of use in this sort of
research setting, and will continue to get more.
-kyle
On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 15:18, Phlip wrote:
Is anyone, like, making money writing Ruby programs yet? Not the books or
speeches; the actual “Value Added” thing.
Delta Johnny Niner, You are cleared to land at 1 8 0 degrees.
I know there’s GUI mailing lists - but I’m asking Tom and leaving it open to
others…
You mentioned that you weren’t satisfied with the GUI…
“…while the primary logic was easy enough to create and is mostly complete
(and ruby made it fun!), putting a front-end gui on it has proven laborous
and imperfect…”
what would you want that you don’t have? Surely an Accounting program
doesn’t require 3d… : )
I’m working on a very different kind of GUI for Ruby, so I’m interested -
what would I need to do to make it continue being fun - and not laborious or
imperfect?
Is it the language used to communicate with the GUI?
Is it restrictions placed on you by the GUI?
Is it the number of lines needed to perform what should be simple
GUI-centric things?
-Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: “Tom Sawyer” transami@transami.net
To: “ruby-talk ML” ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Ruby jobs
that’s not funny at all! in fact you may have made my day! could you
elaborate a little more on how you create these reports.
i thought pdflib was a commercial product, not open source. ? i have to
take another look.
On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 09:57, Dossy wrote:
Funny, speaking of Ruby jobs, right now I’m paid by one of my
clients to write reports in Ruby. They’re all very printable.
For the one report that needed finer-grain control, it generates
a PDF using pdflib and the Ruby bindings for it …
–
tom sawyer, aka transami
transami@transami.net
dossy-
just looked at pdflib. it is commerical for commercial use (my
intention) and does not come very cheap at $1000 per server. unlimited
ditribution rights are $15,000, perhaps worth it in the long run, but at
that price i’m not sure. now if it came with a gui report designer tool
then i’d might bite.
–
tom sawyer, aka transami
transami@transami.net