In the Japanese page of Ruby Association, at http://www.ruby-assn.org/releases/2007091901.html.ja
There is an announcement about the Ruby Programming Language Certification Test.
It is available this starting this October 27th in Japanese in Matsue city in Shimane prefecture, Japan.
The English version of the test will be available online in February of 2008.
The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear about it!
I for one, hope we can establish a testing location in Austin!
Note:
Although the demand for certifications varies with different technologies and different organizations and even cultures,
in Japan there is generally a certification process for just about everything you can imagine. Holding even the most obscure but relevant certification is well-regarded in Japan as reflecting your dedication to the subject matter.
PLEASE tell me it's possible to achieve online! I've counted **two** rubyists in my state who aren't 3 hours away.
Ruby Rox My Sox AND Yours
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~Ari
"I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" --1337est man alive
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On Oct 22, 2007, at 8:39 PM, John Joyce wrote:
In the Japanese page of Ruby Association, at http://www.ruby-assn.org/releases/2007091901.html.ja
There is an announcement about the Ruby Programming Language Certification Test.
It is available this starting this October 27th in Japanese in Matsue city in Shimane prefecture, Japan.
The English version of the test will be available online in February of 2008.
The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear about it!
The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
about it!
For me this is great news! I live in Colombia and this country is
obsessed with certifications and certifcates.
I certainly hope the test is available online because we are certainly
lacking on testing centres in this neck of the jungle (just kidding...
no jungle)
There's 0 chance that I'd get a Ruby certification, and I'd laugh at
any potential employer who asked me about it.
Pat
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On 10/22/07, John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@gmail.com> wrote:
In the Japanese page of Ruby Association, at http://www.ruby-assn.org/
releases/2007091901.html.ja
There is an announcement about the Ruby Programming Language
Certification Test.
It is available this starting this October 27th in Japanese in Matsue
city in Shimane prefecture, Japan.
The English version of the test will be available online in February
of 2008.
The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
about it!
For more information,
contact Mr. Shugo Maeda at:
press@ruby-assn.org
I for one, hope we can establish a testing location in Austin!
Note:
Although the demand for certifications varies with different
technologies and different organizations and even cultures,
in Japan there is generally a certification process for just about
everything you can imagine. Holding even the most obscure but
relevant certification is well-regarded in Japan as reflecting your
dedication to the subject matter.
Not yet, but apparently it will be in the near future. There were not many details available, only an announcement really.
FAIK it could be Duke Nukem' Forever...
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On Oct 22, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Ari Brown wrote:
On Oct 22, 2007, at 8:39 PM, John Joyce wrote:
In the Japanese page of Ruby Association, at http://www.ruby-assn.org/releases/2007091901.html.ja
There is an announcement about the Ruby Programming Language Certification Test.
It is available this starting this October 27th in Japanese in Matsue city in Shimane prefecture, Japan.
The English version of the test will be available online in February of 2008.
The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear about it!
PLEASE tell me it's possible to achieve online! I've counted **two** rubyists in my state who aren't 3 hours away.
On 10/22/07, John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@gmail.com> wrote:
In the Japanese page of Ruby Association, at http://www.ruby-assn.org/
releases/2007091901.html.ja
There is an announcement about the Ruby Programming Language
Certification Test.
It is available this starting this October 27th in Japanese in Matsue
city in Shimane prefecture, Japan.
The English version of the test will be available online in February
of 2008.
The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
about it!
For more information,
contact Mr. Shugo Maeda at:
press@ruby-assn.org
I for one, hope we can establish a testing location in Austin!
Note:
Although the demand for certifications varies with different
technologies and different organizations and even cultures,
in Japan there is generally a certification process for just about
everything you can imagine. Holding even the most obscure but
relevant certification is well-regarded in Japan as reflecting your
dedication to the subject matter.
There's 0 chance that I'd get a Ruby certification, and I'd laugh at
any potential employer who asked me about it.
I would say that about any unofficial certification, but if Matz and
Shugo are behind it, it's probably reasonable to give it a bit more
weight or at least a second look.
David
--
Upcoming training by David A. Black/Ruby Power and Light, LLC:
* Advancing With Rails, Edison, NJ, November 6-9
* Advancing With Rails, Berlin, Germany, November 19-22
* Intro to Rails, London, UK, December 3-6 (by Skills Matter)
See http://www.rubypal.com for details!
There's 0 chance that I'd get a Ruby certification, and I'd laugh at
any potential employer who asked me about it.
Pat
It's interesting how the tone of this thread differs from previous incantations. There used to be considerably more scoffing at the notion of a Ruby certification.
My experience with certification is that they do not worth the paper where
they are printed.
Although I hold several certifications, they really do not testify of the
actual knowledge of the holder.
I know dozens of people with multiple certifications (CCNA, CCNP, AIX,
Solaris, Linux, Java. mierda) and they do not know where to even start
solving a problem in the field where they hold their certification. Matter
of fact, one of my best friends passed a Unix certification without ever
login in to the OS.
I believe it is more reliable to give someone a test or an in-depth
interview than asking for a certification.
But, Ruby will follow the rest, after all this is a democracy, isn't it?
Victor
PS: Joke or no joke, Colombia is not a jungle. Although people like Jason
would like the world to believe just that!
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On 10/23/07, David A. Black <dblack@rubypal.com> wrote:
Hi --
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Pat Maddox wrote:
> On 10/22/07, John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In the Japanese page of Ruby Association, at http://www.ruby-assn.org/
>> releases/2007091901.html.ja
>> There is an announcement about the Ruby Programming Language
>> Certification Test.
>> It is available this starting this October 27th in Japanese in Matsue
>> city in Shimane prefecture, Japan.
>> The English version of the test will be available online in February
>> of 2008.
>>
>> The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
>> reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
>> about it!
>>
>> For more information,
>> contact Mr. Shugo Maeda at:
>> press@ruby-assn.org
>>
>> I for one, hope we can establish a testing location in Austin!
>>
>> Note:
>> Although the demand for certifications varies with different
>> technologies and different organizations and even cultures,
>> in Japan there is generally a certification process for just about
>> everything you can imagine. Holding even the most obscure but
>> relevant certification is well-regarded in Japan as reflecting your
>> dedication to the subject matter.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> There's 0 chance that I'd get a Ruby certification, and I'd laugh at
> any potential employer who asked me about it.
I would say that about any unofficial certification, but if Matz and
Shugo are behind it, it's probably reasonable to give it a bit more
weight or at least a second look.
David
--
Upcoming training by David A. Black/Ruby Power and Light, LLC:
* Advancing With Rails, Edison, NJ, November 6-9
* Advancing With Rails, Berlin, Germany, November 19-22
* Intro to Rails, London, UK, December 3-6 (by Skills Matter)
See http://www.rubypal.com for details!
certifications stink,
thanx for reminding me James
R.
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On 10/24/07, James Britt <james.britt@gmail.com> wrote:
Pat Maddox wrote:
>
> There's 0 chance that I'd get a Ruby certification, and I'd laugh at
> any potential employer who asked me about it.
>
> Pat
It's interesting how the tone of this thread differs from previous
incantations. There used to be considerably more scoffing at the notion
of a Ruby certification.
Well, my first instinct was to get snarky, but the more I read, the more I
realized that I shouldn't assume that other countries have the same
employment culture as the U.S. - and, particularly, the U.S. in the
Internet sector.
I do like the opportunity to point out a great quote by Steve Yegge:
"Certification is for the weak. It's something that flags you as a
technician when you really want to be an engineer. If you want to be a
television repairman, you can become certified in TV repair. If you want to
work for Sony and design their next big-screen TV, then you clearly don't
need a busy-working-adults course on how to repair the fugging things."
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:02:17 +0900, James Britt wrote:
It's interesting how the tone of this thread differs from previous
incantations. There used to be considerably more scoffing at the notion
of a Ruby certification.
--
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On 10/23/07, John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Arlen Christian Mart Cuss wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 10:42 +0900, Ari Brown wrote:
>> PLEASE tell me it's possible to achieve online! I've counted **two**
>> rubyists in my state who aren't 3 hours away.
>
> Try Australia .... hm.. but certification sounds awesome.
>
> Arlen
>
>
The US isn't the only place with "states"!
Actually, that's a horrible quote. The Japanese engineers who design TVs and LCD monitors are full of certs and ISOs and stuff. One of my in-laws is one of them.
In any country there exists the possibility for the truly brilliant to do what they do without these things. But it is good to have them. It is simply one way to show evidence of your abilities.
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On Oct 24, 2007, at 3:50 AM, Jay Levitt wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:02:17 +0900, James Britt wrote:
It's interesting how the tone of this thread differs from previous
incantations. There used to be considerably more scoffing at the notion
of a Ruby certification.
Well, my first instinct was to get snarky, but the more I read, the more I
realized that I shouldn't assume that other countries have the same
employment culture as the U.S. - and, particularly, the U.S. in the
Internet sector.
I do like the opportunity to point out a great quote by Steve Yegge:
"Certification is for the weak. It's something that flags you as a
technician when you really want to be an engineer. If you want to be a
television repairman, you can become certified in TV repair. If you want to
work for Sony and design their next big-screen TV, then you clearly don't
need a busy-working-adults course on how to repair the fugging things."
It's interesting how the tone of this thread differs from previous incantations. There used to be considerably more scoffing at the notion of a Ruby certification.
Well, my first instinct was to get snarky, but the more I read, the more I
realized that I shouldn't assume that other countries have the same
employment culture as the U.S. - and, particularly, the U.S. in the
Internet sector.
I do like the opportunity to point out a great quote by Steve Yegge:
"Certification is for the weak. It's something that flags you as a
technician when you really want to be an engineer. If you want to be a
television repairman, you can become certified in TV repair. If you want to
work for Sony and design their next big-screen TV, then you clearly don't
need a busy-working-adults course on how to repair the fugging things."
I have very little respect for Steve Yegge. He comes across as arrogant, especially in his postings on "employment culture," and his pronouncements on programming languages are less valuable to me than most of the *trolls* on that subject in Ruby-Talk. YMMV, etc., but somehow I think I'd rather have a Ruby certification than a snotty comment from Steve Yegge. But I think I want to get my Forth certification first.
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:02:17 +0900, James Britt wrote:
When we interview the only qualification that is acceptable as a substitute for experience is a degree, and then only from a recent graduate. Otherwise you will need to show some experience, preferably contribution to some project so that we can examine your code in the wild (you do document, comment and test your code don't you?) If all you can show is 'certification' your CV will get binned.
Honestly, what do you expect? Certificates are for school sports day to make little children feel good about themselves, they will not make up for experience.
On 10/23/07, Robert Dober <robert.dober@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> The US isn't the only place with "states"!
> Mexico has states too.
I have even seen machines with states
R.
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