I've always wondered, though. If I had jobs to offer, could I attract programmers to SE Wyoming? Winter climate is, well, not so nice as Denver's, but the cost of living is very low, and life is, generally, good, and Denver is an easy drive for the ammenities of the city.
I'd move there in a heartbeat, drop me a line when you do...
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On Tuesday 20 September 2005 4:46 pm, James Britt wrote:
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On 9/20/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
I spent a few months of winter in Manassas some years ago. Not really
bad. Less snow than NYC at least. More snow than Phoenix.
Interesting... I lived in Manassas for a couple years (in a former
life), and Rich Kilmer lives pretty close to there as well. I wonder
if there is a Ruby-based pattern forming here...
Well, InfoEther is there (well, in Chantilly, I think), which hosts RubyForge.org
Nice folks in Seattle. Even the vacant lots are attractive. Mountains in the distance in
more than one direction. Several hi-tech companies to work for plus a nice smattering of
medical electronics and telecom firms for you real-time folks. Lots of MS spin-offs.
Warren Seltzer
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Subject: Re: Places for a programmer to live?
Wooaahh now. You want to stay away from Seattle. Really. Complete
hell-scape.
I've always wondered, though. If I had jobs to offer, could I attract programmers to SE Wyoming? Winter climate is, well, not so nice as Denver's, but the cost of living is very low, and life is, generally, good, and Denver is an easy drive for the ammenities of the city.
I'd move there in a heartbeat, drop me a line when you do...
Yeah, no problems at all here either, in theory. Would need to be a good job, but the location would be wonderful!
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On Sep 21, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Daryl Richter wrote:
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 4:46 pm, James Britt wrote:
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On 9/23/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
Curt Hibbs wrote:
> On 9/20/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
>
>>I spent a few months of winter in Manassas some years ago. Not really
>>bad. Less snow than NYC at least. More snow than Phoenix.
>
>
> Interesting... I lived in Manassas for a couple years (in a former
> life), and Rich Kilmer lives pretty close to there as well. I wonder
> if there is a Ruby-based pattern forming here...
>
Well, InfoEther is there (well, in Chantilly, I think), which hosts
RubyForge.org
I graduated from Chantilly, it's definitely not Manassass.
But I'm in Cali now.
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On 9/23/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
Curt Hibbs wrote:
> On 9/20/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:
>
>>I spent a few months of winter in Manassas some years ago. Not really
>>bad. Less snow than NYC at least. More snow than Phoenix.
>
>
> Interesting... I lived in Manassas for a couple years (in a former
> life), and Rich Kilmer lives pretty close to there as well. I wonder
> if there is a Ruby-based pattern forming here...
>
Well, InfoEther is there (well, in Chantilly, I think), which hosts
RubyForge.org
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Seattle is good all around with a few noted exceptions. It rains a bit too
much for my personal tastes although we usually get at least 3 months of
summer weather. Housing is expensive if you want to live in the more
desirable areas (bought my first home a year ago and it's already
appreciated over 25%). Job market is good. Has more overall to offer than
Portland does, except Portland will have more sun. Lots of high tech
companies here. Good schools if you have kids.
Chris
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On 9/26/05, Warren Seltzer <warrens@actcom.net.il> wrote:
Nice folks in Seattle. Even the vacant lots are attractive. Mountains in
the distance in
more than one direction. Several hi-tech companies to work for plus a nice
smattering of
medical electronics and telecom firms for you real-time folks. Lots of MS
spin-offs.
Well, you should have a look to what country seems attractive to you
politically, what economical circumstances the country is in, how active
this country people are in open source development (that's my
opinion) and how the average girl looks like. There is live next to your
monitor, you should really study the european countries thoroughly, there
is much, much more where to look at, than just only what could be a good
place for a programmer.
There are matters that affects everyone, and thus also programmers, suchs
as privacy regulations, corruption, rise of violence, government control,
freedom of speech, acceptance of differences between people (races,
homosexuality, religion) if one can stay as a foreigner, and if so, what
these regulations are, what rules there are for civilians and how these affect you, how
expensive it is etc. etc.
I am from The Netherlands, for a lot of reasons I can recommend this
country, but in some areas I cannot. It depends on what you think is
important.
Jurgen
Although very unlikely, it seems some earthling stated on Sep 21 that :
I'm an American and I'm seriously looking for the chance to work and live elsewhere, preferably somewhere that I can get by only speaking English (and Ruby). Suggestions?
-- Matt
Nothing great was ever accomplished without _passion_
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Jurgen Stroo wrote:
Well, you should have a look to what country seems attractive to you
politically, what economical circumstances the country is in, how active
this country people are in open source development (that's my
opinion) and how the average girl looks like. There is live next to your
monitor, you should really study the european countries thoroughly, there
is much, much more where to look at, than just only what could be a good
place for a programmer.
There are matters that affects everyone, and thus also programmers, suchs
as privacy regulations, corruption, rise of violence, government control,
freedom of speech, acceptance of differences between people (races,
homosexuality, religion) if one can stay as a foreigner, and if so, what
these regulations are, what rules there are for civilians and how these affect you, how
expensive it is etc. etc.
Toronto. I can't speak toward Ruby opportunities, though.
-austin
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On 9/21/05, Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com> wrote:
I'm an American and I'm seriously looking for the chance to work and live
elsewhere, preferably somewhere that I can get by only speaking English
(and Ruby). Suggestions?
I'm an American and I'm seriously looking for the chance to work and live
elsewhere, preferably somewhere that I can get by only speaking English
(and Ruby). Suggestions?
Singapour - as long as you don't get in contact with the police
(torture is a still a allowed by law here) it is a great place
to live. And there are many job offers.
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Concerning the fact that your dutch, and asking an explanation this can
mean to things:
either you can't find reasons why it is a good thing to live in the
Netherlands, or you can't find reasons why not to live there.
I think for a dutch citizen, if you would agree with me, you wouldn't have
asked for an explanation.
Because of the fact that I will disagree with both standpoints, this will
result in a long threat about things like, "that's even worse in other
countries" or "but that is better in that and that country because.." etc.
Well, it is a good thing to talk about that, don't get me wrong at this
point please, however, IMHO this won't fit on the Ruby-Talk list.
Jurgen
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Although very unlikely, it seems Erik Veenstra stated on Sep 22 that :
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> I am from The Netherlands, for a lot of reasons I can
> recommend this country, but in some areas I cannot. It
> depends on what you think is important.
I'm an American and I'm seriously looking for the chance to work and live
elsewhere, preferably somewhere that I can get by only speaking English
(and Ruby). Suggestions?
Come to Oslo!
If I had to live in the US, I'd definitely choose Portland. (I lived
all over the US, and Portland was easily my favorite.) But, having
just left Portland for Oslo, I'm so glad I made the leap!
I'm working at Opera (which is now free!! woo-hoo!!)... great place.
Just downstairs is TrollTech, and it also seems to be a great place.
Both are very international companies. We have people from... was it
30 different countries now?
Nearly everyone in Norway speaks English, so that has been no problem.
Despite what I read in a number of guidebooks, Norwegians are
super-friendly, really warm and wonderful people.
And the UN just said that Norway was the best country in the world to
live in (I think for the 5th year in a row).
The only drawbacks: it's one of the most expensive places to live in
the world (which may not actaully be a drawback, as salaries reflect
the cost of living), and I'm not using Ruby.
I'm an American and I'm seriously looking for the chance to work and live
elsewhere, preferably somewhere that I can get by only speaking English
(and Ruby). Suggestions?
Come to Oslo!
If I had to live in the US, I'd definitely choose Portland. (I lived
all over the US, and Portland was easily my favorite.) But, having
just left Portland for Oslo, I'm so glad I made the leap!
I'm working at Opera (which is now free!! woo-hoo!!)... great place.
Just downstairs is TrollTech, and it also seems to be a great place.
Wow, you actually have *two* IT companies there! Might be more of an
option than I thought.
Thanks, everyone, for the responses. (Feel free to keep 'em coming; I'm enjoying reading them.) Google, did, in fact, return a shload of results. Probably the most impressively applicable to me:
There's also findyourspot.com and bestplaces.net/fybp, but I haven't really explored them much, yet.
